New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[francis246]

Oh, having Knies and Robertson isn't a bad thing. They are good prospects and should be good NHLers for us. But it would have been nice if, instead of overpaying 4th liners and Klingberg, we could have added one of the many available pieces with some scoring touch, so that it didn't fall on our rookies to immediately replace everything that's been lost. For years, we've found a bunch of cheap, effective depth pieces, but we were missing those ELCs that good teams tend to have, because Lou drained the prospect pool and never re-filled it, and then we had things like our top prospect get cancer. Now, we're finally seeing ELC depth our of our more recent drafts, and we switch to a GM who can't find cheap, effective depth elsewhere... God forbid we actually have both for once.

Not sure who you're referring to, that's going to be immediately better than our depth from last year.

I’ll be honest, I don’t hate the signings we did and truthfully I’m glad we didn’t spend money on UFA’s. Where I think we missed out was the trade market slightly before the draft and at the draft. Newhook, Smith, Toffoli, Yamamoto, Kostin, Bailey, Colton all moved for cheap.

 

[kb]

We didn't get it last year either. After all the moves people were getting upset with Dubas because they said he made us worse offensively in the bottom 6. I didn't mind the moves because I want us to be a more physical team but I also want us to be a faster team who finishes checks and competes. We went like 7 games in the playoffs with only 2 goals so that depth scoring we just lost wasn't here so I'm not torn on losing that and starting fresh.

They had much better bottom 6 scoring as one or both of Kerfoot or Jarnkrok plus occasionally Bunting was there.

The two bottom 6 signings combined for 12 goals and nearly $4 million against the cap.

 

[LaPlante94]

Oh, having Knies and Robertson isn't a bad thing. They are good prospects and should be good NHLers for us. But it would have been nice if, instead of overpaying 4th liners and Klingberg, we could have added one of the many available pieces with some scoring touch, so that it didn't fall on our rookies to immediately replace everything that's been lost. For years, we've found a bunch of cheap, effective depth pieces, but we were missing those ELCs that good teams tend to have, because Lou drained the prospect pool and never re-filled it, and then we had things like our top prospect get cancer. Now, we're finally seeing ELC depth our of our more recent drafts, and we switch to a GM who can't find cheap, effective depth elsewhere... God forbid we actually have both for once.

Not sure who you're referring to, that's going to be immediately better than our depth from last year.

I think you do if you've been on these boards the last 6 months. Holmberg, Abruzesse, McMann and Steeves might of been the other people said.

 

[Bloomberg]

Luostarinnen for Liljegren

Would you, who says no?

Luostarinnen is a nice defensive winger, but Liljegren has much higher upside and RHD is more valuable. I'd rather we get a C or D prospect back

 

[Mess]

bunting, kerfoot, holl out

reaves, klingberg in

that is significantly worse

Bunting went from $950k last year to 3 years @ $4,500,000.
Kerfoot went from $3.5 mil last year to 2 years @ $3.5 mil keeping his same salary.
Holl went from $2 mil to 3 years @ $3.4 mil

Recap

Before: those 3 players cost $6.45 mil.
vs
After: those 3 players now cost $11.4 mil.
vs
Those 2 new players for Reaves (1.35 mil) & Klingberg ($4.15 mil) or $5.5 mil combined. (only aspect current GM had any control over)

What would you have done differently as their salaries nearly doubled from last year and Leafs could no longer afford to keep them?

 

[Buds17]

Wait are you pretending to be a dubas fan now?

The implication should be that a team isn't a finished product on the first day of free agency. Samsonov, Jarnkrok, and potentially even ZAR, were important parts of last season's team. My hope right now is to add a couple of forwards (one for the top six and one for the bottom six).

 

[BallardEra]

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DONE DEAL: We have signed forward Garnet Hathaway to a two-year, $4.75 million contract ($2.375 million AAV).

 

[Rare Jewel]

Luostarinnen is a nice defensive winger, but Liljegren has much higher upside and RHD is more valuable. I'd rather we get a C or D prospect back

I'm doing with the intention of moving him to center.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Bunting went from $950k last year to 3 years @ $4,500,000.
Kerfoot went from $3.5 mil last year to 2 years @ $3.5 mil keeping his same salary.
Holl went from $2 mil to 3 years @ $3.4 mil

Recap

Before: those 3 players cost $6.45 mil.
vs
After: those 3 players now cost $11.4 mil.
vs
Those 2 new players for Reaves (1.3 mil) & Klingberg ($4.15 mil) or $5.45 mil combined.


What would you have done differently as their salaries nearly doubled from last year and Leafs could no longer afford to keep them.

The Leafs could have easily afforded Bunting if they wanted to, they choose to give that money to Klingberg. I didn't want to re-sign Kerfoot and Holl. But they're still better than replacement players and the team is worse.

 

[Kurtz]

It's odd that Treliving identified our softness as an issue, but he's passing on Acciari at 2 and Hathaway at 2.4.

Even with Reeves, we're considerably softer now than we were 24 hours ago.

 

[TimeZone]

Bunting went from $950k last year to 3 years @ $4,500,000.
Kerfoot went from $3.5 mil last year to 2 years @ $3.5 mil keeping his same salary.
Holl went from $2 mil to 3 years @ $3.4 mil

Recap

Before: those 3 players cost $6.45 mil.
vs
After: those 3 players now cost $11.4 mil.
vs
Those 2 new players for Reaves (1.35 mil) & Klingberg ($4.15 mil) or $5.5 mil combined. (only aspect current GM had any control over)

What would you have done differently as their salaries nearly doubled from last year and Leafs could no longer afford to keep them?

My guess is looked towards Duchene at 3 mil, Wheeler at 800k, Brown with a cap hit of 750k instead of Reaves, Kampf and Klingberg.

I mean, that would've at least been a good start and saved money for a cap strapped team.

 

[LaPlante94]

They had much better bottom 6 scoring as one or both of Kerfoot or Jarnkrok plus occasionally Bunting was there.

The two bottom 6 signings combined for 12 goals and nearly $4 million against the cap.

This bottom 6 scoring didn't show up when we needed it. We don't want to blame our core usually so we say our lack of depth scoring in the playoffs is why we struggle. Well, our last batch of depth players didn't score either. We had Kerfoot on the 4th line making 3.5 mil doing nothing really except score that one big deflection goal in OT. Jarnkrok was a ghost during the playoffs. Bunting didn't really play round 1 and in the 7 games he played he scored in game 1 of round 2 and that was it. 4 goals in the playoffs from those 3 names you listed is all we have to replace. 3 goals since Jarnkrok is still here.

 

[Bloomberg]

I'm doing with the intention of moving him to center.

I'd rather go for a package around Tomasino and Matier from Nashville. I view Luostarinnen as a third line center, with not much upside?

 

[cyris]

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DONE DEAL: We have signed forward Garnet Hathaway to a two-year, $4.75 million contract ($2.375 million AAV).

That’s a bit more than I would have liked but it’s to be expected with UFA signing. I definitely would have preferred Hathaway at 2.3 to Reeves at 1.3. At least Hathaway can play when he isn’t punching people

 

[Mess]

Ultimately, I'm hoping this is just the first part of a two-part plan. Management could potentially have a few trades up their sleeve in the days to come. Not even talking about Nylander, but they could move out Murray for example and then opt to pick up a couple new players. Maybe trade Timmins for someone ect

Trades are likely to come .. But don't be surprised if moving Murray contract out at $4.687 mil even for future considerations in return, and the majority of that cap space goes to re-signing Samsonov for approx $4 mil.

Samsonov has arbitration rights and could file by July 5th to let that process decide his next contract.

Timmons at $1,1 mil could return a similarly priced new player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think you do if you've been on these boards the last 6 months. Holmberg, Abruzesse, McMann and Steeves might of been the other people said.

The only one of those who could, this year, be realistically expected to match our depth pieces from last year is Holmberg, and he was already our depth for a good part of last year, that had to be upgraded at the deadline.

I’ll be honest, I don’t hate the signings we did and truthfully I’m glad we didn’t spend money on UFA’s.

But we did spend money on UFAs... Just the wrong ones...

 

[ULF_55]

It's odd that Treliving identified our softness as an issue, but he's passing on Acciari at 2 and Hathaway at 2.4.

Even with Reeves, we're considerably softer now than we were 24 hours ago.

The player has to agree.

It could be Treliving checked in on these guys and they said no-thanks.

Does anyone believe at this point players are longing to sign with the Leafs?

 

[Bloomberg]

It's odd that Treliving identified our softness as an issue, but he's passing on Acciari at 2 and Hathaway at 2.4.

Even with Reeves, we're considerably softer now than we were 24 hours ago.

They might not have wanted to sign with the Leafs. I think the fact that Matthews, Marner, Nylander all need people to defend them makes some players not want to with on the same team as them

 

[Martin Skoula]

The player has to agree.

It could be Treliving checked in on these guys and they said no-thanks.

Does anyone believe at this point players are longing to sign with the Leafs?

It’s literally the main component of his job to convince them lol.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Bunting went from $950k last year to 3 years @ $4,500,000.
Kerfoot went from $3.5 mil last year to 2 years @ $3.5 mil keeping his same salary.
Holl went from $2 mil to 3 years @ $3.4 mil

Recap

Before: those 3 players cost $6.45 mil.
vs
After: those 3 players now cost $11.4 mil.
vs
Those 2 new players for Reaves (1.3 mil) & Klingberg ($4.15 mil) or $5.45 mil combined.
What would you have done differently as their salaries nearly doubled from last year and Leafs could no longer afford to keep them?

Sounds like we had some pretty good players that our previous GM got on pretty good deals, eh?

 

[ULF_55]

It’s literally the main component of his job to convince them lol.

Perhaps if they didn't have agents he could convince them ... but agents aren't naive.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Perhaps if they didn't have agents he could convince them ... but agents aren't naive.

Did we not have an ample amount of cap space available to offer 100k more than the sub-3 mil they got? Either Klingberg, Reaves, and Kampf were his plan A and he needs an immediate psychiatric assessment or he settled to spend the available money on his plan B/C/D options because he didn’t do his job so well.

 

[rojac]

My guess is looked towards Duchene at 3 mil, Wheeler at 800k, Brown with a cap hit of 750k instead of Reaves, Kampf and Klingberg.

I mean, that would've at least been a good start and saved money for a cap strapped team.

If you spend to the cap figuring Brown at 775K (if it was reported at 750K, that was wrong because minimum is now at 775K), and he hits all his bonuses (I believe they’re all based on games played), then he gets another 2.225M which apply against the 2024-25 cap.

 

[Bloomberg]

Sounds like we had some pretty good players that our previous GM got on pretty good deals, eh?

I mean.... Kerfoot signed with Arizona and Holl with Detroit. They have cap room. We probably should've traded Bunting for future assets though.

 

[Warden of the North]

It's odd that Treliving identified our softness as an issue, but he's passing on Acciari at 2 and Hathaway at 2.4.

Even with Reeves, we're considerably softer now than we were 24 hours ago.

They have to want to sign here. Don't forget that. Acciari is American, is Hathaway? I don't know.