New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[aingefan]

And please lock Lili in rather than move him.
Then unleash him.
I really like the idea of a core 4 all drafted and developed by Toronto.
Then fingers crossed, Joseph Woll continues his upward trajectory and you have the whole enchilada developed in house.

 

[WTFMAN99]

And please lock Lili in rather than move him.
Then unleash him.
I really like the idea of a core 4 all drafted and developed by Toronto.
Then fingers crossed, Joseph Woll continues his upward trajectory and you have the whole enchilada developed in house.

That is pretty rare.

NJD's top 4 last year was all trade and UFA

Graves, Marino, Hamilton and Sieganthaler.

 

[aingefan]

That is pretty rare.

NJD's top 4 last year was all trade and UFA

Graves, Marino, Hamilton and Sieganthaler.

Agreed.
And a very cool drafting success story, though admittedly 3/4 of the six were no brainers at the time.
I like the optics anyway.

 

[smitty10]

we have too many defencemen with no identity.
Brodie, Lily, Timmins, even McCabe, what are they? not huge, not offensive, not overly physical, just kind of there.

Rielly and Klingberg are clear offence first guys, but nobody else has a clear role. I think max you can have two guys like that of your 6 and ideally only 1.

I disagree with your assessment of our Dmen.

- Brodie has long been known as a steady 2-way defenseman who can eat up large minutes.

- McCabe is a good top 4 guy who is physical and strong defensively.

- Timmins and Lily are 2 younger guys who haven't fully developed into their NHL roles yet. Too early to tell what kind of player they'll be.

 

[Legion34]

bolded made me laugh...like...wait....what?

I think the poster means that there are multiple instances where teams that make it to the finals are no where near elite.

Florida literally rode their 3rd goalie and needed jarry to implode. They wouldn’t even have made the playoffs on the west

Vegas missed the playoffs last year

Tampa and colorado were both beasts.

Montreal was a bottom feeder that went on a run. They finished last overall the year after and were like 24th in 2020.

Dallas rode their backup and he went on waivers. They missed the playoffs the next year.

St. Louis was last placed in January and rode their 5th string goalie to the cup.

Bottom line is multiple times teams have rode hot goalies to the finals (st Louis won) only to miss the playoffs the next year.

The playoffs is injury luck and hot goaltending. How many times to teams go on 10-15 game winning streaks?
Buffalo does it every year.

Hockey is a lot more random than people want to admit

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'm not sure where this "trade Brodie" narrative came from.

Is it because he didn't have a great playoff series last year?

Is it because of his style?

Is there that many good free agent defensemen left to sign, or to trade for?

What assets do we have to trade that can get you better than Brodie? Wouldn't that require moving Nylander, Knies, Robertson, Liljgren, etc. for this to happen? Isn't this defensive depth more of a thing they can explore at the deadline?

Brodie takes up a good chunk of the cap and his age coupled with his poor playoff performances and Treliving’s previous attempt of moving him in Calgary makes him a target. Ideally, you’d want to add another defensive component alongside Brodie but the cap can’t be manipulated to allow for it.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I think the poster means that there are multiple instances where teams that make it to the finals are no where near elite.

Florida literally rode their 3rd goalie and needed jarry to implode. They wouldn’t even have made the playoffs on the west

Vegas missed the playoffs last year

Tampa and colorado were both beasts.

Montreal was a bottom feeder that went on a run. They finished last overall the year after and were like 24th in 2020.

Dallas rode their backup and he went on waivers. They missed the playoffs the next year.

St. Louis was last placed in January and rode their 5th string goalie to the cup.

Bottom line is multiple times teams have rode hot goalies to the finals (st Louis won) only to miss the playoffs the next year.

The playoffs is injury luck and hot goaltending. How many times to teams go on 10-15 game winning streaks?
Buffalo does it every year.

Hockey is a lot more random than people want to admit

Yup which is why the most important thing a GM can do is to give himself as many legitimate shots at a run as possible. No short term thinking.

 

[WTFMAN99]

1C is basically a prerequisite to make the playoffs usually.

Cup winner? You need a stud 1D with 2 exceptions in my mind

Pittsburgh minus Letang

Carolina did it with a collection of 3-4 type D back in 05-06.

Leafs need to find a defenseman...I don't think that defenseman is gonna be available for Nylander but maybe you target a guy you forecast to be that type of defenseman?

Maybe there is a deal for Nylander (extended) for Roslovic and Jiricek or something?

 

[Duffman955]

Brodie takes up a good chunk of the cap and his age coupled with his poor playoff performances and Treliving’s previous attempt of moving him in Calgary makes him a target. Ideally, you’d want to add another defensive component alongside Brodie but the cap can’t be manipulated to allow for it.

Brodie was great against Tampa, against the best line in the league.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Brodie was great against Tampa, against the best line in the league.

*Poor playoff performance against Florida.

 

[myleafs]

I think the poster means that there are multiple instances where teams that make it to the finals are no where near elite.

Florida literally rode their 3rd goalie and needed jarry to implode. They wouldn’t even have made the playoffs on the west

Vegas missed the playoffs last year

Tampa and colorado were both beasts.

Montreal was a bottom feeder that went on a run. They finished last overall the year after and were like 24th in 2020.

Dallas rode their backup and he went on waivers. They missed the playoffs the next year.

St. Louis was last placed in January and rode their 5th string goalie to the cup.

Bottom line is multiple times teams have rode hot goalies to the finals (st Louis won) only to miss the playoffs the next year.

The playoffs is injury luck and hot goaltending. How many times to teams go on 10-15 game winning streaks?
Buffalo does it every year.

Hockey is a lot more random than people want to admit

I understand what he meant, and maybe I should have led with that but I just thought the line "we are an elite team that cant get past the first round" just sounded funny to me. Are we that elite if thats the case?

 

[LeafSteel]

I understand what he meant, and maybe I should have led with that but I just thought the line "we are an elite team that cant get past the first round" just sounded funny to me. Are we that elite if thats the case?

Elite is an over used word in this forum.

Regular season champ’s doesn’t mean jack.

Until we push deep into the playoffs we are elite regular season team, which means nothing other than Playoff losers.

Until then, we are a good team, but continually not good enough. That’s the reality some have their heads in the sand on.

 

[613Leafer]

Elite is an over used word in this forum.

Regular season champ’s doesn’t mean jack.

Until we push deep into the playoffs we are elite regular season team, which means nothing other than Playoff losers.

Until then, we are a good team, but continually not good enough. That’s the reality some have their heads in the sand on.

We haven't even been regular season champs. Zero Presidents Trophies, and our only division win was the COVID Canadian division which was a pretty easy division.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm not sure where this "trade Brodie" narrative came from.

Is it because he didn't have a great playoff series last year?

Is it because of his style?

Is there that many good free agent defensemen left to sign, or to trade for?

What assets do we have to trade that can get you better than Brodie? Wouldn't that require moving Nylander, Knies, Robertson, Liljgren, etc. for this to happen? Isn't this defensive depth more of a thing they can explore at the deadline?

Based on Treliving's own comments, he seems like he wants to remake the D. So far he's added one guy, so I'd expect there's going to be more moves to come.

I doubt Rielly or McCabe get moved (for different reasons), which leaves either Brodie, Gio, or Lily/Timmins. Moving Brodie would free up the most capspace in which would likely be a desire of management.

Personally I wouldn't trade Brodie, but I think he may end up Tre's odd man out

 

[Dion TheFluff]

1C is basically a prerequisite to make the playoffs usually.

Cup winner? You need a stud 1D with 2 exceptions in my mind

Pittsburgh minus Letang

Carolina did it with a collection of 3-4 type D back in 05-06.

Leafs need to find a defenseman...I don't think that defenseman is gonna be available for Nylander but maybe you target a guy you forecast to be that type of defenseman?

Maybe there is a deal for Nylander (extended) for Roslovic and Jiricek or something?

honestly. The way Rielly plays in the postseason, I wouldn't be to worried about trying to find a 1 D as Rielly seems to be able to evaluate to that level come playoff time. I think finding a long term partner for him (a legit top 3 shutdown D) should be our next big add.

 

[BM14]

I disagree with your assessment of our Dmen.

- Brodie has long been known as a steady 2-way defenseman who can eat up large minutes.

- McCabe is a good top 4 guy who is physical and strong defensively.

- Timmins and Lily are 2 younger guys who haven't fully developed into their NHL roles yet. Too early to tell what kind of player they'll be.

Lily is a fantastic young Dman who keeps getting jerked around/his confidence shattered because of a Jr B coach and his fascination with his walking 69-mate, the former #3.

 

[WTFMAN99]

honestly. The way Rielly plays in the postseason, I wouldn't be to worried about trying to find a 1 D as Rielly seems to be able to evaluate to that level come playoff time. I think finding a long term partner for him (a legit top 3 shutdown D) should be our next big add.

The weird thing is Rielly hasn't required a particularly high end defenseman. Hainsey and Schenn gave him what he needed.

Maybe you need another #2 and #3 on the 2nd pairing, similar to when we had Muzzin-Brodie doing well against Tampa.

If we had a time machine and could roll...

Rielly-Schenn
Muzzin-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren

It's pretty good but Muzzin is done, and Brodie showed decline last post-season. Schenn is gone and now we need to put together the next best version we can.

 

[LaPlante94]

And please lock Lili in rather than move him.
Then unleash him.
I really like the idea of a core 4 all drafted and developed by Toronto.
Then fingers crossed, Joseph Woll continues his upward trajectory and you have the whole enchilada developed in house.

Maybe the bright side of us not getting to see Liljegren play more is Treliving will sign him for 8 years at like 4-5 mil AAV and then he becomes a regular in our top 4.

 

[LaPlante94]

The weird thing is Rielly hasn't required a particularly high end defenseman. Hainsey and Schenn gave him what he needed.

Maybe you need another #2 and #3 on the 2nd pairing, similar to when we had Muzzin-Brodie doing well against Tampa.

If we had a time machine and could roll...

Rielly-Schenn
Muzzin-Brodie
McCabe-Liljegren

It's pretty good but Muzzin is done, and Brodie showed decline last post-season. Schenn is gone and now we need to put together the next best version we can.

If you can turn Brodie into a right shot version of him to pair with Rielly that'd be great. I know people will say he can play the right side but me personally I don't like left shot players playing defence on their off side because it's a huge disadvantage on the breakout/in the defensive zone. I've said before that I think a Brodie for Tanev trade is perfect for both teams. 1 year left on deals and only 500K difference in AAV and Calgary could use a left shot defender like Brodie to pair with Weegar or Andersson and we could use Tanev to pair with Rielly.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If you can turn Brodie into a right shot version of him to pair with Rielly that'd be great. I know people will say he can play the right side but me personally I don't like left shot players playing defence on their off side because it's a huge disadvantage on the breakout/in the defensive zone. I've said before that I think a Brodie for Tanev trade is perfect for both teams. 1 year left on deals and only 500K difference in AAV and Calgary could use a left shot defender like Brodie to pair with Weegar or Andersson and we could use Tanev to pair with Rielly.

I'd be okay with it.

The only thing if you're Calgary, Brodie makes 7.5M in cash versus 4.5M in cash for Tanev

They might ask for something for the cash and cap hit savings.

 

[thusk]

Lily is a fantastic young Dman who keeps getting jerked around/his confidence shattered because of a Jr B coach and his fascination with his walking 69-mate, the former #3.

Liljegren is a young player who needed tonbe protected and be use in specific situation by his coach.

Liljegren been healthy scratch because when Keefe challenged ALL HIS D to create his playoff roster, liljegren had been the worst one. He challenged liljegren the same exact way than he did with holl, gustafsson, schenn, mccabe or whatever...

The 1st step to have ice time in top 4, you need to earn trust of your coach when he challenging you. You cant blame the coach because the player failed

 

[jaric1862]

From everything the insiders are saying it really sounds like the guy they're targeting is Zadorov - I'm not sure how they'd squeeze him in, someone on our active roster would likely have to go out the door

 

[Fogelhund]

From everything the insiders are saying it really sounds like the guy they're targeting is Zadorov - I'm not sure how they'd squeeze him in, someone on our active roster would likely have to go out the door

How do we obtain a guy from a team, who has been instructed not to do trades with us?

 

[Dion TheFluff]

From everything the insiders are saying it really sounds like the guy they're targeting is Zadorov - I'm not sure how they'd squeeze him in, someone on our active roster would likely have to go out the door

where'd you see that?

 

[myleafs]

How do we obtain a guy from a team, who has been instructed not to do trades with us?

Do we know this as fact?