New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Fogelhund]

The likely way they do it is Lafferty-Kampf-Reaves taking on the fly shifts and matching 4th lines. But for defensive starts or in a situation where they need to shut down a line, bench Reaves and double shift Marner.

I don't understand this lineup at all. Kampf being more of a defensive line specialist, meaning you hope that the other bottom six can have more of an offensive punch. Well, with Reaves you get a punch, but it isn't offensively.

 

[Brobust]

I don't understand this lineup at all. Kampf being more of a defensive line specialist, meaning you hope that the other bottom six can have more of an offensive punch. Well, with Reaves you get a punch, but it isn't offensively.

Like I said, they should get on the fly shifts matching against other 4th lines.

When it's necessary to match up or take defensive zone faceoffs, they can double shift Marner or Jarnkrok or someone more dependable.

Honestly sounds like a terrible game plan. That 4th line has legitimately no purpose.

80% match up against other fourth lines and don't hurt the team, the other 20% take a more specialist role without Reaves on the line. I don't love it but I'm willing to accept it. Feel free to cry about it.

 

[Kurtz]

Honestly sounds like a terrible game plan. That 4th line has legitimately no purpose.


Leafs have been clamoring for a legitimate top 4 RHD for 20 years. Trading Liljegren for a rental would be brutal asset management. If they're trading Liljegren+ they should at minimum target someone with term and ideally a RHD.

Zadorov plays both sides. I think his upside is bigger than Lil's and I don't think he's necessarily a rental. Note that both guys have 1 year left (although Lil is a rfa). Age is on Lil's side, but huge dmen generally take longer to develop.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Wonder if Walman might be available from the Red Wings. Solid top 4 D from Toronto, signed to a reasonable deal, was pretty solid defensively last year.

Maybe Liljegren+Murray?

Ideally swing a Timmins+(Robertson/picks) for Zadorov.

Rielly-Brodie
Walman-Klingberg
McCabe-Zadorov
/Giordano

 

[baton elevated]

Nice to see people coming around with Zadorov. Before the trade deadline, I expressed great interest in him and was roundly disparaged by some. Obviously it was from people that don't know hockey. They said the same about Hyman.
Anyway, if we could get him it would be a great move, akin to when we got Muzzin but with more upside and less injuries(none).

 

[Americanadian]

80% match up against other fourth lines and don't hurt the team, the other 20% take a more specialist role without Reaves on the line. I don't love it but I'm willing to accept it. Feel free to cry about it.

I'd rather they lean into the energy identity and throw a high energy forward who is good on the 4th line like Sanford and create an actual match up line around Kampf.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

It will be but that's the price we are going to have to pay
Every team in the league knows how badly we have to move away from Murray

We have a 2024 first rounder(??)
It will come down to that and/or Robertsson

You may want to hold on to that draft pick as that will be premium come during trade deadline



He's horrible on D. For sure
But unlike Holl, Klingberg is good at one thing. Point and Powerplay
Has a decent shot and can move the puck

Something we have been severly lacking from the days of dare I say Dion Phaneuf

Personally, it's still possible without the cost of Robertson or the first but that's just my opinion.

 

[Americanadian]

Zadorov plays both sides. I think his upside is bigger than Lil's and I don't think he's necessarily a rental. Note that both guys have 1 year left (although Lil is a rfa). Age is on Lil's side, but huge dmen generally take longer to develop.

I like Zadorov as a target but not at the expense of Lily. I also don't believe he plays well on the right side. He was 27 this season and was the #5D on a non playoff team. His underlying numbers are good but he isn't a long-term savior for the Leafs.

If Liljegren is being moved it should be for a long-term asset.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

$2.75 mil is far too much for Schenn... but if that's the price it takes to get the best out of your $7.5mil D man in Mo... well...

Fits one of biggest needs like a glove and allows Mo to do what he does best. That’s a win all day every day. Winning is largely about minimizing weakness and maximizing strength. Big missed opportunity.

 

[showtime8]

Fits one of biggest needs like a glove and allows Mo to do what he does best. That’s a win all day every day. Winning is largely about minimizing weakness and maximizing strength. Big missed opportunity.

You have to keep in mind that Schenn came in to the line-up and played well, but he was only on the team for a 15 game stretch for the regular season, where he missed a handful of games with the birth of a child. And then he played 11 playoff games.

Playing Schenn for 82 on the top pair is not going to look like he did in the playoffs. Then the Leafs get themselves in the same situation as they always do when they try to extend where players should actually be playing. Schenn would look great on the 3rd pairing. The problem is, how many other guys in the system are we saying that about? xxx player would be great if he was sheltered on the 3rd pair. You can use that for Timmins, Giordano or Liljegren. They need legit top pairing guys.

 

[The Podium]

How much sense would it make to go for Zadina?

I know he’s been a disappointment, but this is the type of low risk moves that can pay huge dividends. Especially for a team looking for depth scoring, might work well with Domi on a 3rd line.

 

[cyris]

How much sense would it make to go for Zadina?

I know he’s been a disappointment, but this is the type of low risk moves that can pay huge dividends. Especially for a team looking for depth scoring, might work well with Domi on a 3rd line.

For league min sure. Not my favourite option but it’s no risk.
I’d rather Comtois though. At least he has shown he can do it in the NHL. And he brings more size and physicality to the lineup.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I’d take Comtois over Zadina, only because we have our top 6 sorted, and Zadina isn’t developing here, because we aren’t a development project. We’re a team trying to push deep into the playoffs.

If he was fine starting with the Marlies to build his stock back up, and get a shot when there’s an injury, sure.

 

[LeafSteel]

Taking a flyer on Comtois makes so much sense it's not even funny.

All the guy needs to do is look at what playing for the Leafs did for Bunting, and how he cashed in afterwards.

 

[The Podium]

For league min sure. Not my favourite option but it’s no risk.
I’d rather Comtois though. At least he has shown he can do it in the NHL. And he brings more size and physicality to the lineup.

Offensively they’ve been about the same, Zadina is also a good skater, smart player and solid two-way winger. It’s actually surprising he’s looking like a bust considering he has the tools needed in the new NHL.

Also this team isn’t littered with goal scorers and his potential there is better than Comtois

 

[Buds17]

$2.75 mil is far too much for Schenn... but if that's the price it takes to get the best out of your $7.5mil D man in Mo... well...

I can understand the justification for attributing the most stock to the playoff numbers (that's certainly the rationale I used in wanting Schenn re-signed). At the same time, Schenn averaged four more minutes in the playoffs compared to an also brief time as a Leaf during the regular season. Would Schenn at 2.75M x 3 still have made sense for the team if that pairing with Rielly had eventually been deemed as no longer able to work well?

 

[baton elevated]

Zadina is shaping up to be another PoolParty. All the tools but no drive to succeed. Things came easy to them growing up because they were blessed with talent and didn't have to compete. Now with everyone pushing hard at the NHL level they don't know how to turn it up.

 

[andora]

You have to keep in mind that Schenn came in to the line-up and played well, but he was only on the team for a 15 game stretch for the regular season, where he missed a handful of games with the birth of a child. And then he played 11 playoff games.

Playing Schenn for 82 on the top pair is not going to look like he did in the playoffs. Then the Leafs get themselves in the same situation as they always do when they try to extend where players should actually be playing. Schenn would look great on the 3rd pairing. The problem is, how many other guys in the system are we saying that about? xxx player would be great if he was sheltered on the 3rd pair. You can use that for Timmins, Giordano or Liljegren. They need legit top pairing guys.

He played pretty damn good for his last team too

Mitigate his ice time with less ozone starts in the first 2 periods

 

[TMLAM34]

Comtois definitely seems like a better gamble than Zadina.

 

[Ramboshaw]

What would everyone think of a trade based around Filip Forsberg for Nylander (provided he signs with them)?

 

[myleafs]

Teams that barely made it in?
Montreal bottom 10 team before and after that covid run
Florida barely made it in and wouldn’t have if it wasn’t for Pittsburgh gifting them the spot

Saying we are so much better and in fact are an elite team in comparison, but cant get out of the first round (til this year) makes me laugh yes.

 

[Kurtz]

What would everyone think of a trade based around Filip Forsberg for Nylander (provided he signs with them)?

We wouldn't be losing anything in terms of talent, but the problem is you can only count on him for 60 games a year, and he makes $1.6 mil more than Nylander next season.

 

[LaPlante94]

I don't understand this lineup at all. Kampf being more of a defensive line specialist, meaning you hope that the other bottom six can have more of an offensive punch. Well, with Reaves you get a punch, but it isn't offensively.

I think Kampf and Lafferty showed that once they got to play with each other consistently and weren't deployed 100% of their shifts in the d zone that they can provide some offence and play well together. 4th line of Lafferty-Kampf-Reaves isn't that bad especially when 2 of your top PKers will most likely be Kampf and Lafferty next season. Then I'm assuming Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok is the possible 3rd line unless trades are made.

 

[The Podium]

Comtois definitely seems like a better gamble than Zadina.

Based on size alone?

 

[Fogelhund]

Based on size alone?

Comtois has shown he can perform at the NHL level, though his performance hasn’t been good the last couple of years. I’d take the gamble on Comtois over Zadina as well.