New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Burnie97]

I totally agree
But that’s all average teams making it to the finals where we’re an elite team and can never get past 1st round and our d this past season going in was very strong!

U know how optimistic we would be for next year if we had lost in the finals? We would all want the core to come back instead of trading one or two

When was the last time we had a legit top notch goalie? I hate going into every season wondering if our goalie situation is good even

100% our D needs to get better still but even Vegas had great goaltending that did take them all the way hence the extension now. Ur a nobody until you become a somebody

Maybe Sammy is that guy this year then.

Or home grown Woll. We don't know. We just need a guy to step up in the moment and haven't had it in years.

Good talk though. Cheers.

 

[Squiffy]

Mirtle says Leafs are offering in the high 8's to Nylander. They are more then a million apart. The trade talk IMO is too early.
The gap isn't that wide. We can consider trades if the gap doesn't shorten in the next month or two.

I'd take 9-ish, for sure. Extra 2 for him, extra 2 for AM, there's your 4 mil cap hike in 24-25. Year after that extra mil for MM, and JT at 11 is done, and there's your cap space to play with, 9+ for sure.

JT.. he'll take a massive discount on the next contract is my bet, to the point it makes sense, for all the grief he gets.

 

[kb]

Every team has at least 1 Roberston. We're not losing anything of real significance if this is true.

Other teams keep their Robertsons......

 

[phillipmike]

Every time a look at the list of defensmen the Leafs could trade for that are physical and big, I think of Zadarov. However, the Leafs have Rielly, and McCabe on the left side and the right side is pretty weak.

There are two new RHD names that I found;

Jeff Petry. Surprisingly big at 6”3’ and averages 174 hits per 82. And gives you 22-23 minutes a night and 30-40 points. He can be a top pairing D. Just a perfect fit.

Dubas loves Brodie, so it’s possible a Brodie-Petry swap makes sense. Problem is Petry is owed $6.25M this year and next.

Maybe Brodie and Timmins at $6.1M for Petry and a pick gets it done. Pittsburgh is right up against the cap and has 3 goalies but Matt Murray is an option too but unlikely.

Another name that I know many will not like but again fits the criteria and he is likely to be available and of huge interest to Treliving as he had him before in Calgary where he rejuvenated his career;

RHD Erik Gudbransson: 6”5’, can play 17-18 minutes a night, played 21 last year and averages 238 hits per 82.

The problem is the contract. He just signed 4X$4M and he isn’t worth it. But Columbus just brought in Severson and Provorov on big deals and they will be adding Werenski who missed the entire season last year to also Boqvist, Peeke and Bean. Columbus has 8 NHL defensemen under contract. They are making a trade.

There may be no room for Gudbransson in Columbus. So Columbus could be motivated to move Gudbransson, maybe retaining cap (as much as 50%). Where Gudbransson at $2M to play on your bottom pairing isn't a terrible thing. Or perhaps they are desperate and are willing to take on Murray in a trade as they don’t have a good back up.

Could do a retained Gudbransson for Murray.

If you pull off these deals, your defense could be;

Rielly-Petry
McCabe-Klingberg
Giordano-Gudbransson
Liljegren

 

[Mitch nylander]

If we we're to move Brodie what kind of return would u expect and who would u look to replace him with. Losing him would create a sizeable hole on defence but many reports have us moving on because of his cap hit.

------

On a side note: I still think we need to add another guy who can PK ie a Mason Shaw or Tyler Motte. We only have Marner/Kampf/Lafferty/Jarnkrok who PK.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Every time a look at the list of defensmen the Leafs could trade for that are physical and big, I think of Zadarov. However, the Leafs have Rielly, and McCabe on the left sign and the right side is pretty weak.

There are two new RHD names that I found;

Jeff Petry. Surprisingly big at 6”3’ and averages 174 hits per 82. And gives you 22-23 minutes a night and 30-40 points. He can be a top pairing D. Just a perfect fit.

Dubas loves Brodie, so it’s possible a Brodie-Petry swap makes sense. Problem is Petry is owed $6.25M this year and next.
Maybe Brodie and Timmins at $6.1M for Petry gets it done. Pittsburgh is right up against the cap and has 3 goalies but Matt Murray is an option too but unlikely.

Another name that I know many will not like but again fits the criteria and he is likely to be available and of huge interest to Treliving as he had him before and where he rejuvenated his career in Calgary;

RHD Erik Gudbransson: 6”5’, can play 17-18 minutes a night, played 21 last year and averages 238 hits per 82.

The problem is the contract. He just signed 4X$4M and he isn’t worth it. But Columbus just brought in Severson and Provorov on big deals and they will be adding Werenski who missed the entire season last year to also Boqvist, Peeke and Bean. Columbus has 8 NHL defensemen under contract. They are making a trade.

There may be no room for Gudbransson in Columbus. So Columbus could be motivated to move Gudbransson, maybe retaining cap (as much as 50%). Where Gudbransson at $2M to play on your bottom pairing isn't a terrible thing. Or perhaps they are desperate and are willing to take on Murray in a trade as they don’t have a good back.

Could do a retained Gudbransson for Murray.

If you pull off these deals, your defense could be;

Rielly-Petry
McCabe-Klingberg
Giordano-Gudbransson
Liljegren

These are two awful contracts. That would be horrific. Petry has fallen off immensely, and is a corpse of what he used to be. Think Giordano but with a 5.8 million dollar price tag. While Gudbranson is a bottom pair dman making top 4 money. I wouldn't touch either with a ten feet pole.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

To
Det
Nylander (extends 9.25 x6)

To
Toronto
Raymond
Wallinder

Gives Detroit a 40 g player in their prime years to go for the playoffs, and gives the leafs a potential 25 to 30 goal winger, a really good d prospect and cap space to add to the d core in a trade.

 

[thusk]

You don't think a 90 point player will bring back more than a #2/3 Dman and a 2nd rounder?

Take a look at what Meier just got at the TDL. They scored the same number of goals (40) and Meier had 21 less points than Nylander.

We talk about a rental player value with a player hoping for a huge contract... we are not in the meier category.

What you eill got exemple a TDL for nylander a 1st pick, a good prospect or young player and an extra

What you will got for Pesce? A 1st pick and good prospect

So at the end pretty similar in term of value

 

[Contenderorpretender]

To
Det
Nylander (extends 9.25 x6)

To
Toronto
Raymond
Wallinder

Gives Detroit a 40 g player in their prime years to go for the playoffs, and gives the leafs a potential 25 to 30 goal winger, a really good d prospect and cap space to add to the d core in a trade.

Yeah that would be great. And with Yzerman seemingly losing his mind with the recent fa signings, he might actually do it. But I highly doubt it.

 

[andora]

Let's be honest, Pesce + Zadorov makes our D group pretty good.

Rielly-Pesce
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljgren

Ideal d group.

Zadorov would need pesce in that scenario until liljegren takes that next step

 

[The Masters]

Going to be interesting if they have a deadline for Nylander to accept. I dont think its the start of the regular season due to the Leafs situation of the core 4 and maybe would be willing to trade if they can this off-season. Calgary with Lindholm should be targeted along with Zadorov , that should be the frame work. Tavares belongs on the wing anyways

 

[horner]

Going to be interesting if they have a deadline for Nylander to accept. I dont think its the start of the regular season due to the Leafs situation of the core 4 and maybe would be willing to trade if they can this off-season. Calgary with Lindholm should be targeted along with Zadorov , that should be the frame work. Tavares belongs on the wing anyways

Detroit if they don't get Debrincat.
Lots of picks and prospects.
Use the draft capital to trade for what we need .
Fans in Detroit are getting ansy.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Going to be interesting if they have a deadline for Nylander to accept. I dont think its the start of the regular season due to the Leafs situation of the core 4 and maybe would be willing to trade if they can this off-season. Calgary with Lindholm should be targeted along with Zadorov , that should be the frame work. Tavares belongs on the wing anyways

I would take a solid two way center with 60-70 point upside over a 90 point one dimensional perimeter winger 100% of the time.

 

[weems]

I would take a solid two way center with 60-70 point upside over a 90 point one dimensional perimeter winger 100% of the time.

Lindholm is a very good player.
Legitiment offensive production and solid defensively.
If we could sign him to a longterm contract and it fit well inside the new cap outline, I'd like a deal with Calgary.
It also gives you the flexibility to run three quality C's or move Lindholm to 2nd line C when you decide Tavares needs to move over to wing.

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
Lindholm
Zadorov
Tanev

To Calgary-
Nylander
Brodie
Niemela
1st Round Pick

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Tavares-Lindholm-Bertuzzi
Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Kampf-Lafferty

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

Buyout Murray

 

[fahad203]

30 goals is a ton if your only scoring around 250 in a season.

It's arguable with recent additions of domi and Bert that'll make up for it a bit but still leafs need a great return as you said. Who do you figure they get in a return then?

Leafs are an easy playoff team though obviously. It'd be an epic fail for them to f*** up there.

Again not that I am downplaying Nylanders importance

30 goals are actually much easier to replace than it used to be

I mean Tarasenko playing with Matthew's or Tavares gets you 30+ goals. He's not going to cost you 10 mil

Killorn is getting 6 million and ge scored 25 goals and better all around player. A super clutch player

Heck Bertuzzi scored 30 goals few years ago in full season and he's only getting 5.5

We let go off JVR who scored 36 goals. Mikayev 26 goals

There will always be a free agent every year who can get you 30 goals for around 6 million

If that 30 goal scorer plays with Auston or Tavares, he gets you 35

Goal scorers are plenty in the league now

 

[DougGilmour93]

To Toronto-
Lindholm
Zadorov
Tanev

To Calgary-
Nylander
Brodie
Niemela
1st Round Pick

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Tavares-Lindholm-Bertuzzi
Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Kampf-Lafferty

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

Buyout Murray

My take…

Nylander + Liljegren + Timmins

For

Lindholm + Zadorov + Ruzicka/Duehr + Vladar

Realistically though, I can’t see Nylander signing an extension in Calgary (even though he was born there).

So the deal would most likely be a soft hockey trade just for Zadorov.

 

[fahad203]

Going to be interesting if they have a deadline for Nylander to accept. I dont think its the start of the regular season due to the Leafs situation of the core 4 and maybe would be willing to trade if they can this off-season. Calgary with Lindholm should be targeted along with Zadorov , that should be the frame work. Tavares belongs on the wing anyways

We shouldn't wait for the deadline. It helps nobody
Trade him now before he becomes a distraction. For his own sake and the teams

We dont' want to be cornered with time constrain during deadline

And frankly speaking, he has played 8 years here, he has paid his dues and so has the team towards him
At some point, you have to cut your losses and move on.

Trade him for good value, let him get a fresh start. Whoever we get back, they get to play the entire year and be ready for playoffs

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[Leaf Rocket]

i hope he succeeds, that is pretty damn courageous.

 

[Fogelhund]

Would Zadina be waiver eligible on a new contract? I’m thinking not. It’s going to have to be a non-contender who gives him a chance.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

To Toronto-
Lindholm
Zadorov
Tanev

To Calgary-
Nylander
Brodie
Niemela
1st Round Pick

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Tavares-Lindholm-Bertuzzi
Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok
Reaves-Kampf-Lafferty

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

Buyout Murray

Trading Nylander a 1st and one of our top prospects for that package would be a fireable offense honestly. Brodie has value as well. Swap where the 1st round pick is coming from and it might look a bit more fair.

 

[VanW27]

i hope he succeeds, that is pretty damn courageous.

I guess, I'd go with stupid more than courageous though - if the NHL is his goal.

He's been a pretty bad NHLer, and the Wings have been bad with a desperate need for a guy like Zadina to pan out so as far as NHL opportunity goes no team wants (wanted) Zadina to succeed more than them. Even going forward I'm sure the Wings would have had a vested interest in getting him back to the NHL given where they drafted him and what they're paying him. Other teams aren't going to give him the extra opportunities the Wings would have.

Realistically if he wants to be an NHLer what he needs is AHL time, which he would have got with Detroit - while also making 4.5 million dollars.

 

[ACC1224]

i hope he succeeds, that is pretty damn courageous.

Seems like he received some bad advice.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I guess, I'd go with stupid more than courageous though - if the NHL is his goal.

He's been a pretty bad NHLer, and the Wings have been bad with a desperate need for a guy like Zadina to pan out so as far as NHL opportunity goes no team wants (wanted) Zadina to succeed more than them. Even going forward I'm sure the Wings would have had a vested interest in getting him back to the NHL given where they drafted him and what they're paying him. Other teams aren't going to give him the extra opportunities the Wings would have.

Realistically if he wants to be an NHLer what he needs is AHL time, which he would have got with Detroit - while also making 4.5 million dollars.

Seems like he received some bad advice.

Sounds like he went heart first versus rational decision-making for sure. As for what he is capable of...he hasn't adapted in the bigs for sure and I don't think he wants to take the process to get it done either.

Agreed 100%, tbh it will likely feel he might get shunned and might even have to do the KHL route sadly.