New GM Trades and Signings Part 2

[Burnie97]

Just adding this from something I was asking about earlier incase people didn't know because I wasnt sure exactly how it worked or triggered the "second buy out" period.​

From Capfriendly​

Buyouts Outside of the Regular Period​

Clubs whom have 1 or more arbitration filings may be permitted to perform a buyout outside of the regular window. This gives teams another opportunity to become cap compliant following an arbitration case.

Clubs are permitted to perform a buyout outside the regular period during the 48 hour period beginning on the third day after the final of [CBA 13(c)ii]:

1. Settlement of the Club's final arbitration case, or
2. Receipt of the Club's last arbitration award

Requirements:

1. A buyout can only be performed on a player who was on the clubs reserve list at 3:00pm on the most recent trade deadline
2. The player must have a cap hit of at least $4,000,000 for the 2023 offseason

There is an exception to this buyout period (CBA Reference: Section 11.18; 12.3) if the arbitation was Club-elected (as opposed to player-elected) and the player did not receive a qualifying offer. In this case, a minimum of two arbitration cases are necessary to trigger the buy-out period outside the regular window.

The number of arbitration filings required to open the buy-out window outside the regular period are as follows:

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[TD]Min. Number of Arbitration Cases[/TD]
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[TD]Player-Elected[/TD]
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[TD]Club-Elected [Player received a Qualifying Offer][/TD]
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[TD]Club-Elected [Player did not receive a Qualifying Offer][/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
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If you are interested in determining the buyouts for your favourite players, our buyout calculator performs the above calculations in a user-friendly manner.

 

[jaric1862]

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

 

[fahad203]

The problem with the logic of "we haven't won, let's trade Nylander" is he's the member of the core that has played the best in the playoffs relative to expectations

He has played better than others but not to say he has played extremely well. He still was invisible in many shifts and games. That's not to say he played like a 10 million dollar player

Any other team he gets to stay. But the reality is we have 3 other 10 million dollar players and 2 of them their contacts are up coming year

Also just because some of us want him traded doesn't mean trade him for peanuts.

Players come and go. Leafs has traded their beloved captain once in Doug Gilmour and Wendal Clarke. It's life

 

[ACC1224]

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

Is Pagnotta known to be accurate?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

Yup, both make sense to me.

Just not sure who would be willing to take Brodie in exchange for another defensemen? A tougher or younger one at that.

Maybe Chicago will take Robertson and Murray package. I think Robertson is one of the best buy-low targets available. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him pot 25-30G one day, if he can stay healthy.

 

[myleafs]

Did anybody else flinch when they scrolled passed this?

I did a tiny chuckle like oh yea that happened, then I

 

[horner]

Cal Foote ufa league minimum is he any good only 24

 

[Magic Man]

I wonder if the Leafs circle back to Dumba if they can move Brodie.

 

[Mess]

Interesting to see Jeannot on there. Puts a ton of pressure on the Bolts - walks him literally into ufa

Aren't the Leafs litterally walking into UFA with Matthews and Nylander?

 

[Menzinger]

Aren't the Leafs litterally walking into UFA with Matthews and Nylander?

Each of their current contracts involved UFA years. Jeannot will just be starting his final year of RFA eligibility

 

[conFABulator]

Aren't the Leafs litterally walking into UFA with Matthews and Nylander?

I don't think that's the same at all.

The Leafs have two guys with contracts ending a year to sign them before UFA. They have had these guys for 7 and 8 years and have an exclusive renewal period of a year with them.

TB just traded a boatload for Jeannot and he has played 20 games for them. They can either sign him with term at amount they might not be able to fit in or let the arbitrator decide on how much he makes before he becomes UFA.

 

[Fogelhund]

I wonder if the Leafs circle back to Dumba if they can move Brodie.

That would be terrible.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Hope they don’t give away Robertson to move Murray…. Gross

 

[nuck]

Cal Foote ufa league minimum is he any good only 24

He didn't get caved in any of his NHL time but low protected minutes. I actually wouldn't mind the idea but they already have Timmins as a right side project. He is probably at the stage in his career where an extended NHL look is required and they don't have that to give him.

 

[Mess]

I don't think that's the same at all.

The Leafs have two guys with contracts ending a year to sign them before UFA. They have had these guys for 7 and 8 years and have an exclusive renewal period of a year with them.

TB just traded a boatload for Jeannot and he has played 20 games for them. They can either sign him with term at amount they might not be able to fit in or let the arbitrator decide on how much he makes before he becomes UFA.

An arbitration case completed gives the player a 1 (or 2) year term deal, and TB has the player under contract for next year guaranteed. Remember this is only the filing process TB and Jeannot can come to terms at any time on a new deal until a hearing and settlement.

Because of the Arb filing unless TB walks away from the settlement making him a UFA this summer, his contract likely 1 year walks right up to July 1st, 2024 which is the same UFA date for Matthews and Nylander (and that is what I meant of Leafs facing the same deadline to re-sign) and TB has the same exclusive renewal period all of next year.

Leafs face the same issue with their #1G Samsonov of a potential larger settlement then the team likes on a 1 year deal, (which currently they can't fit in) and the basis for his next contract or he also walks as a UFA. As a Leafs fan I'm more concerned about Sammy our starting goalie as opposed to TB 3rd line winger issue.

Besides Leafs just traded a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks for UFAs Ryan O'Reilly and Noel Accairi and they walked away as TD rentals. The Tampa Bay Lightning acquired RFA forward Tanner Jeannot from the Nashville Predators in exchange for Lightning's first-round pick in 2025 (Top 10 protected), their second-round selection in 2024, as well as third, fourth and fifth-round picks in 2023. Leafs literally gave up nearly the same picks for rental players whereas TB still has lots of options to recover some of that investment.

Poor Treliving .. He has key core 4 players being walked up to free agency July 1st 2024, their #1G Samsonov just filed for Arbitration, of which any settlement Leafs can't currently fit into their Cap as they're already +$3 mil over. If the cost is too high Leafs might walk away from Sammy. or walk him right up to free agency in 1 year. They still have Matt Murray clogging up the cap and the roster that needs a buyout ot trade with additional assets to remove. Leafs just dumped a 1st, 2nd, 3rd X 2, 4th round picks for ROR, Acciari and Schenn all lost costs.

 

[Rude Dog]

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

I am not a fan of either of those moves. Know exactly what you have in Robertson before essentially giving him away. Not sure he can stay healthy but the kid works hard.

 

[Mess]

I am not a fan of either of those moves. Know exactly what you have in Robertson before essentially giving him away. Not sure he can stay healthy but the kid works hard.

Leafs gave away their 1st round pick in 2022 to dump Mrazek for a 2nd in return (Fraser Minton).

Leafs could now deal Minton + Murray to get out the latest former GM blunder.

That would essentially end up costing the Leafs a 1st round pick to remove both Mrazek and Murray of past mistakes.

 

[nuck]

Hope they don’t give away Robertson to move Murray…. Gross

Yeah me also. A ppg 20 year old in the AHL often means the guy is ready for the show. His scoring wasn't great before he got hurt this season but his advanced stats were better and he was less sheltered. He absolutely needs a longer look IMO. This isn't coming from a huge fan, I just compare him to Kadri and Brown and Kapanen around the same age. He may be knocking on the door tomorrow.

 

[The Podium]

Leafs gave away their 1st round pick in 2022 to dump Mrazek for a 2nd in return (Fraser Minton).

Leafs could now deal Minton + Murray to get out the latest former GM blunder.

That would essentially end up costing the Leafs a 1st round pick to remove both Mrazek and Murray of past mistakes.

The leafs traded 13 spots to get rid of Mrazek…

 

[BM14]

Hope they don’t give away Robertson to move Murray…. Gross

Every team has at least 1 Roberston. We're not losing anything of real significance if this is true.

 

[LaPlante94]

Leafs gave away their 1st round pick in 2022 to dump Mrazek for a 2nd in return (Fraser Minton).

Leafs could now deal Minton + Murray to get out the latest former GM blunder.

That would essentially end up costing the Leafs a 1st round pick to remove both Mrazek and Murray of past mistakes.

Mrazek still had like 2 or 3 years left on his deal. Murray only has 1 and if we retain 50% then he's only like 2 mil cap hit

 

[tony135420]

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Most embarrassing cover in sport.

I'd rather pay $25000 for that inground pool! That is a steal of a price!

 

[ToDavid]

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

That’s not what he said. He said Robertson’s name is out there and then gave his own opinion that he could possibly be used as a sweetener in a Murray deal.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Brodie has been the teams best defensive defenseman by a good margin. Couple that with the bad defensive players we brought in...people keep saying it but this will be a massive test of Keefes system.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Brodie has been the teams best defensive defenseman by a good margin. Couple that with the bad defensive players we brought in...people keep saying it but this will be a massive test of Keefes system.

He was not good down the stretch or in the playoffs. I think he's a risk at his age as he will likely start to decline even more moving forward.

Pagnotta says the leafs are using Robertson as a sweetner to get rid of Murray AND that the Leafs are shopping Brodie.

Have to think they are shopping Brodie to change the make-up of their Blueline.

I agree with both options.