TheDoldrums
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If you think he's worth 8-9 million (I agree) and he's making $11M than that's 2-3M of negative value by definition. Or am I missing something?
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If you think he's worth 8-9 million (I agree) and he's making $11M than that's 2-3M of negative value by definition. Or am I missing something?
rumman
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I'm intrigued, JT not so much............
I think it’s very unlikely Tavares gets moved, but there are a few good points that make it seem more of a possibility now with Babcock behind their bench IMO. He was the one who pushes for Tavares to be captain, Tavares did have his best year under Babcock and when Babcock was let go JT hand nothing but really good things to say about him.
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thusk
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Pittsburgh they avereging more than 2 goal because of only 1 game they won 7-0
Gm 1 1 goal
Gm 2 1 goal
Gm 3 1 goal
Gm 4 3 goal
Gm 5 7 goal
Gn 6 1 goal
Gm 7 3 goal 2OT
5 of 7 game they scored 2 goal or less 1st 80 minutes
and should Should be the same thing with
Montreal 2021
Dallas 2020
blues/Boston in 2019
Vegas in 2018
or whatever go watch previous series and you will be able to find a lot of team having succes with low scoring game...
but try to name me one team previous season, who had succes allowing over 3
you can score goal almost everygame. Lets go try hard!!! Like i said i thing the only one who find a way to reach conference final was swept in 4...
The timing of weak goal youre allowing is also important
Gm 1 vs florida
1st goal of the game, weak one after 9... leafs find a way to came back at top 2-2, he let a puck goes in breakaway because he lost his footing... he allowed a 4th one in rd again because he lost his footing... 3 of 4 goal he allowed should be a stop...
Gm 2
Leafs take a 2-0... get caught being overagressive in his right for no reason
Awful goal to barkov, so unstead of a 2-0 and play with total confidence, it was a tie game...
5 of 7 goal he allowed was not necessairly weak goal but was puck he needed to save and didn't because it was kind of puck his opponent was stopping... after you coming and blame the core to not overcome of 5 goal of difference resulting of goaltending im only 2 game!!
and after how do you want to play with confidence, still taking offensive risk seeing the opposite g doing nothing free and your own giving up 5 soft goal!!!
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What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart
With Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart the primary tenants in the NHL's rumour mill, an update on where the Canadiens stand on both.
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The Pierre-Luc Dubois camp will submit a list of teams that he would have interest in signing with long-term, maybe five or six teams. Of course, they will need to determine the willingness of those teams to add Dubois and his new contract before putting them on their list. The Canadiens, who reached out to the Jets as soon as their season ended, will be on that list. Cheveldayoff will then work off that list to try and negotiate the trade that helps the Jets the most.
Meanwhile, Brisson can begin talking to those teams about the parameters of a new contract. The plan is for this to be a sign-and-trade, where the Jets sign Dubois to an eight-year contract and then trade him to his new team. Dubois could not get an eight-year deal if he signed directly with that team, and the Jets can extract more value with a signed and delivered player. This is exactly what the Calgary Flames and Florida Panthers did with Matthew Tkachuk last summer.
The sense we get is Dubois would be willing to adjust his salary demands based on the situation of his new team. For example, he could accept slightly less money to go to a Stanley Cup contender than he would to a rebuilding team like the Canadiens. That’s the challenge for Canadiens GM Kent Hughes, he has to try to use Dubois’ sincere interest in playing in Montreal to convince him to take a salary that fits within the range the organization has fixed internally of what it would pay for his services.
But generally, Dubois is likely seeking a contract in the $9 million a year range, which is what we projected he would be in a position to ask for six weeks ago.
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If the Canadiens intend to continue with Dach at centre, and they already have Nick Suzuki, does that mean they would use Dubois on the wing? Tough for us to say, but what we can say is that even though Dubois considers himself a centre, the position he plays on his new team is not a major factor for him.
How the Dubois situation plays out over the coming weeks should suit the teams that are on his list, because having four or five other teams to compete with should allow them to avoid the bidding war that could have unfolded had Dubois hit the unrestricted free agent market on July 1, 2024.
The Jets are not looking to embark on a rebuild and will be looking to add NHL players in any Dubois trade. They’ll need to get to work quickly, as the hope and expectation is for this trade to be completed before or at the draft, which will be held June 28 and 29 in Nashville.
Montreal is not interested in adding Carter Hart
New Philadelphia Flyers GM Daniel Brière has told anyone willing to listen that he is willing to take offers on any of his players, including goaltender Carter Hart.
The 24-year-old goalie would be an interesting addition as he is still progressing and could develop into one of the top goalies in the NHL. But even if his age and the Canadiens’ desire to strengthen the organization at the goaltending position could make Hart an interesting target, we’re told the Canadiens will not be exploring this avenue. The exact reason is not entirely clear, but we were told it was a “non-starter.”
During a media availability Wednesday morning at the combine, Hughes showed some openness to the idea of entering into contract extension talks with Sam Montembeault, who could become a UFA next summer and would be eligible to sign an extension as of July 1. But as per his policy, Hughes will not comment on those negotiations, should they ever begin.
What were the records of those teams when their opponent scored 2 goals? Because Toronto won 0 games in round 2 where the opposition scored 2 goals or more?
Hell, 3 of the 5 games Toronto held Florida to 2 goals or less in regulation, and they managed to still lose 2 of those 3 games.
You keep listing teams, but even the most extreme examples of defensive minded squads did not go through an entire series in which they produced 2 goals or less in every single game in the series en route to winning.
It's simply not a recipe for success, and I have no idea why on earth anyone in their right mind would even begin to attempt to defend a core that has repeatedly failed to put the puck in the net time and time again when the series is on the line.
This is what happens when you structure your cap around a core of players that can't get the job done, a team full of holes that you can't properly address.
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Magic Man
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Toronto is close to Montreal and they are a contender. I wonder if were on his list.What we’re hearing on the Canadiens, Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart
With Pierre-Luc Dubois and Carter Hart the primary tenants in the NHL's rumour mill, an update on where the Canadiens stand on both.
The Pierre-Luc Dubois camp will submit a list of teams that he would have interest in signing with long-term, maybe five or six teams. Of course, they will need to determine the willingness of those teams to add Dubois and his new contract before putting them on their list. The Canadiens, who reached out to the Jets as soon as their season ended, will be on that list. Cheveldayoff will then work off that list to try and negotiate the trade that helps the Jets the most.
Meanwhile, Brisson can begin talking to those teams about the parameters of a new contract. The plan is for this to be a sign-and-trade, where the Jets sign Dubois to an eight-year contract and then trade him to his new team. Dubois could not get an eight-year deal if he signed directly with that team, and the Jets can extract more value with a signed and delivered player. This is exactly what the Calgary Flames and Florida Panthers did with Matthew Tkachuk last summer.
The sense we get is Dubois would be willing to adjust his salary demands based on the situation of his new team. For example, he could accept slightly less money to go to a Stanley Cup contender than he would to a rebuilding team like the Canadiens. That’s the challenge for Canadiens GM Kent Hughes, he has to try to use Dubois’ sincere interest in playing in Montreal to convince him to take a salary that fits within the range the organization has fixed internally of what it would pay for his services.
But generally, Dubois is likely seeking a contract in the $9 million a year range, which is what we projected he would be in a position to ask for six weeks ago.
...............
If the Canadiens intend to continue with Dach at centre, and they already have Nick Suzuki, does that mean they would use Dubois on the wing? Tough for us to say, but what we can say is that even though Dubois considers himself a centre, the position he plays on his new team is not a major factor for him.
How the Dubois situation plays out over the coming weeks should suit the teams that are on his list, because having four or five other teams to compete with should allow them to avoid the bidding war that could have unfolded had Dubois hit the unrestricted free agent market on July 1, 2024.
The Jets are not looking to embark on a rebuild and will be looking to add NHL players in any Dubois trade. They’ll need to get to work quickly, as the hope and expectation is for this trade to be completed before or at the draft, which will be held June 28 and 29 in Nashville.
Montreal is not interested in adding Carter Hart
New Philadelphia Flyers GM Daniel Brière has told anyone willing to listen that he is willing to take offers on any of his players, including goaltender Carter Hart.
The 24-year-old goalie would be an interesting addition as he is still progressing and could develop into one of the top goalies in the NHL. But even if his age and the Canadiens’ desire to strengthen the organization at the goaltending position could make Hart an interesting target, we’re told the Canadiens will not be exploring this avenue. The exact reason is not entirely clear, but we were told it was a “non-starter.”
During a media availability Wednesday morning at the combine, Hughes showed some openness to the idea of entering into contract extension talks with Sam Montembeault, who could become a UFA next summer and would be eligible to sign an extension as of July 1. But as per his policy, Hughes will not comment on those negotiations, should they ever begin.
TheDoldrums
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I'd trade Tavares for future considerations but I'm hesitating at having to take Gudbranson. The whole point of moving Tavares would be for a better cap situation but Gudbranson undoes that
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Agreed. He's likely too slow at this point to be an energy guy. I'd be more open to a Perry signing even though he's not exactly who he was from even a couple years prior
SOURCE: Flyers Want At Least 2 First-Rounders for Hart?
What do the Philadelphia Flyers want for Carter Hart? Earlier today, Jeff Marek speculated that the San Jose Sharks could be interested in the 24-year-old star goalie. SPECULATION: Sharks Interested in Carter Hart? Hart has a $3.979 million cap hit this coming season and is an RFA after that...
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What do the Philadelphia Flyers want for Carter Hart?
Earlier today, Jeff Marek speculated that the San Jose Sharks could be interested in the 24-year-old star goalie.
Hart has a $3.979 million cap hit this coming season and is an RFA after that.
“Most likely, Carter will be our goalie for the future, but I’m not in a position to turn down anything,” new Philadelphia GM Daniel Briere told local radio station 94.1 WIP two weeks ago. “I have to listen.”
So what would get the rebuilding Flyers’ attention?
Anthony Di Marco of the Fourth Period, the first on the Hart news yesterday, told San Jose Hockey Now that Philly would likely want “significantly more than they got for Provorov.”
San Jose Hockey Now can corroborate that. So what does that mean for teams interested in Hart?
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“A good young goalie should require more than that to be acquired,” a league source told SJHN.
Would two first-round picks start the conversation?
“Start it, yes,” the source mused, “but that wouldn’t end it.”
That doesn’t sound like something that the San Jose Sharks, in the midst of their own rebuild, can afford.
Ideally we wouldn’t have to take on Gudbranson but I feel like you’ll have to take on a bad contract back from any team you trade JT to. Sillinger is a pretty good prospect to have down the middle, ideally second line center and then get a pick coming our way here as well.
Having a value deficit on a contract (being overpaid) isn't the same as being a negative asset as a player though. That implies that a perfectly paid player has neutral/ zero value, and the only players with positive value are those who are underpaid.
It's focusing too much on the cap and contracts while ignoring player rareness and on-ice contribution.
Theres absolutely 0 logic in dumping Tavares just to dump him.
Won’t happen either way so whatever. He’s a PPG C.
Won’t happen either way so whatever. He’s a PPG C.
Tavares isnt worth 11M, but he's also not a cap dump lol
TheDoldrums
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IF the $11M can be more efficiently spent than it's perfectly logical
Zur En Arrh
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Ewww no.. why? Tavares is a ppg center, a legit first line center on most teams.. I puked in my mouth reading that
Buds17
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They're trading Sillinger again?
In all seriousness, a competitive team like the Leafs should ideally be bringing back someone more proven if making a trade of this magnitude.
TheDoldrums
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I don't think "PPG" means as much in a league where ~40 people can do it. And there's a bunch more who could do it playing on PP1 here in this top 6
I honestly don't want to come off as a huge Tavares hater, I just think he's a $8M player now and falling over the next two years and if Treliving does well that money could be spent a lot more efficiently.
I honestly don't want to come off as a huge Tavares hater, I just think he's a $8M player now and falling over the next two years and if Treliving does well that money could be spent a lot more efficiently.
The PLD situation seems so bizarre. I know he was a fan, but I cant remember another player so desperate to go home and play. We've been hearing about this for a year or two now
That's a very high hurdle when there's only 2-3 million of "waste" and 8-9 million of very hard to replace 1st line player, especially when you account for losing that player for nothing.
Follow up to my previous post
1. What's an 8-9 million dollar point per game 1C worth in trade?
2. What's 2-3 million in dead cap space worth in trade?
Is 2 as big as 1? If no, giving up 1 to get 2 doesn't make sense.
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