Speculation: New GM Candidates?

[joshjull]

So basically the same thing that every other NHL team that plays near the cap ceiling has to do?

Yes

 

[VaporTrail]

But didn't he stay at a holiday inn express ???

lol

 

[haseoke39]

So basically the same thing that every other NHL team that plays near the cap ceiling has to do?

Not really. What Djp is pointing out is that no other NHL team really is going to have the quantity of young players flooding its system at once that we have. That's going to make it extremely important that you pick the right ones to give big deals to. When you have one blue chip prospect, you pay them what you need to. If you have five, you may have to pick three to give the big dollars to and try to hold onto the other two with bridge deals when you might risk an offer sheet or a disgruntled player.

Having this many picks at once actually heightens some challenges down the line.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Not really. What Djp is pointing out is that no other NHL team really is going to have the quantity of young players flooding its system at once that we have. That's going to make it extremely important that you pick the right ones to give big deals to. When you have one blue chip prospect, you pay them what you need to. If you have five, you may have to pick three to give the big dollars to and try to hold onto the other two with bridge deals when you might risk an offer sheet or a disgruntled player.

Having this many picks at once actually heightens some challenges down the line.

I think the Pens have done a great job in signing their stars.

They may have overpaid for Letang, but got a great deal for Crosby and Neal.

 

[joshjull]

Not really. What Djp is pointing out is that no other NHL team really is going to have the quantity of young players flooding its system at once that we have. That's going to make it extremely important that you pick the right ones to give big deals to. When you have one blue chip prospect, you pay them what you need to. If you have five, you may have to pick three to give the big dollars to and try to hold onto the other two with bridge deals when you might risk an offer sheet or a disgruntled player.

Having this many picks at once actually heightens some challenges down the line.

The challenge isn't reallly the cap but the contract limit and being able to manage things if a lot of our picks become signable.

The impact of these picks on the cap won't really happen until after their ELCs are ending at the earliest. Thats well down the road and can be managed by staggering deal lengths as well as not icing a bunch of kids so their contracts start in their teen years. If anything having a ton of cheap high end talent makes managing the cap easier.

 

[haseoke39]

I think the Pens have done a great job in signing their stars.

They may have overpaid for Letang, but got a great deal for Crosby and Neal.

I would generally agree with you. I will say, though, that I don't think the Pens deserve so much credit for the Crosby contract. The whole lucky number thing says to me that it was probably Sidney's idea and he was never really trying to take them to the bank as hard as he could have.

 

[haseoke39]

The challenge isn't reallly the cap but the contract limit and being able to manage things if a lot of our picks become singable.

The impact of these picks on the cap won;t really happen until after their ELCs are ending at the earliest. If anything having a ton of cheap high end talent makes managing the cap easier.

Right. The premise of my comments is basically about what happens after their ELCs start to expire. Chicago had to deal with that after their first cup, and they had to make some very hard decisions.

 

[joshjull]

Right. The premise of my comments is basically about what happens after their ELCs start to expire. Chicago had to deal with that after their first cup, and they had to make some very hard decisions.

They had two superstars (Kane/Toews) on expiring ELC. Who they had already re-signed prior to the season to multi year extensions with enormous jumps to their cap hit. They had already made that choice well before that offseason to keep them. They also had Keith starting a new huge deal (not coming off a ELC). Most of their youngsters were already on their 2nd contracts coming into that offseason and thats who got moved for the most part.


Their issue was just the incredible amount of talent they had and the fact that they couldn't afford it all with those above 3 getting their big deals. If we end up in this If we hypothetically drafted our Kane and Toews in the next two drafts we are at least 4 years away from worrying about this. And frankly if we have an overabundance of talent at some point that we can't afford all of, well thats not really a problem.

 

[Beerz]

McGuire just name dropped the Sabres in Flyers-Pens game... he wants Buffalo gig...haha

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

McGuire just name dropped the Sabres in Flyers-Pens game... he wants Buffalo gig...haha

That's gotta be an NBC Hockey first.

 

[CaptPantalones]

I think it eventually comes down to Fenton, Dudley, and Benning

 

[rabi]

what's John Muckler up to these days?

 

[jamers]

I have faith that LaFontaine is smart enough to not hire Messier. We need substance, not five minutes in the spotlight.

 

[dotcommunism]

Their issue was just the incredible amount of talent they had and the fact that they couldn't afford it all with those above 3 getting their big deals. If we end up in this If we hypothetically drafted our Kane and Toews in the next two drafts we are at least 4 years away from worrying about this. And frankly if we have an overabundance of talent at some point that we can't afford all of, well thats not really a problem.

Another issue that Chicago had was the big free agent contracts they gave Huet and Campbell, at least marginally worsened by Dale Tallon not sending qualifying offers to his RFAs on time

 

[haseoke39]

I think it eventually comes down to Fenton, Dudley, and Benning

What disqualifies Botterill for you?

 

[CaptPantalones]

What disqualifies Botterill for you?

I would think the lack of a Lafontaine "connection". But idcertainly be OK with him

 

[Karate Johnson*]

@JoshRimerHockey: Two names you could hear on Pat Lafontaine's short list.....Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky.

 

[vcv]

Wayne Gretzky? nononononono.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Please god no

 

[Jeremy2020]

@JoshRimerHockey: Two names you could hear on Pat Lafontaine's short list.....Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky.

Is this just make **** up day for reporters now? QUICK, Let's name someone involved in Hockey!

 

[Selanne00008]

I heard Jeremy Roenick and barry melrose...




Jk

 

[BCS]

Rimer's always making **** up. He's worse than Eklund.

 

[dire wolf]

Oh yeah, well the two names I heard were Gordie Howe and Emilio Estevez, in the character of Gordon Bombay.

 

[Djp]

So basically the same thing that every other NHL team that plays near the cap ceiling has to do?

not really see below...

Not really. What Djp is pointing out is that no other NHL team really is going to have the quantity of young players flooding its system at once that we have. That's going to make it extremely important that you pick the right ones to give big deals to. When you have one blue chip prospect, you pay them what you need to. If you have five, you may have to pick three to give the big dollars to and try to hold onto the other two with bridge deals when you might risk an offer sheet or a disgruntled player.

To put it in real terms in terms of signing

in 2014 Ennis, Foligno, Hackett, McNabb
in 2015: Grigs, Larsson, Flynn, Pysyk, Enroth,
in 2016: Girgs, Risto, Zadorov (could be 2017), Armia, Catenacci, Makarov
in 2017: McCabe possibly if he turns pro after this year, 2014 1st round picks potentially, 2014/2015 bridge deals up again, Do they buy out Ehrhoff?
2018 2nd contracts on the 2013 picks

Who do you sign long term , who only gets bridges, who do you trade because you have have cheaper options drafted in 2014-2015 drafts.

You wont be able to sign everyone.

Its not years away....its sooner when you consider the players currently on the team. Decision time on some players will have to happen in 2016-2018 because you will be have ELCs ending, and some bridge contracts ending.

This could be the start of some good times because if you have a surplus of talent (by being successful in drafting) you could trade that talent for future years picks or ELC players.

If they hit on their 2nd and 3rd round picks they could trade some of them for multiple 1st and 2nd round picks in the future like Pominville did.

 

[Rhett4]

"Jason Botterill will be granted permission to interview with the Buffalo Sabres for their vacant general manager position, sources told the Tribune-Review on Wednesday."

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/5045640-74/penguins-general-botterill#ixzz2katKQ7vd