Blue Jays Discussion: New Contract offer to Vladdy? Berrios opening Day pitcher

[canucksfan]

Very happy to see Roden make the team. Been high on him since the '22 draft (which I thought had the potential to be one of the best Jays drafts in recent memory). Still not going to list Barriera as a true bust yet (Toman on the other hand...) but worst case scenario I think the Jays got two solid pulls in Kasevich and Roden, plus potential BP help in Fluharty/Jennings/Brock.

I like Fluharty. His stuff grades out well too. Wouldn't surprise me to see him up early.

 

[Discoverer]

So, DFA…..
Nance for Barnes
Who for Straw/Roden/Lovelady?
Two for Manoah/Bastardo to the 60-day….maybe Zach Pop?

The Jays 40 already has Manoah and Bastardo on the 60-day and Lovelady on the roster, so they need to make room for Straw, Roden, and Barnes.

DFAing Nance is an easy call. I guess it's possible Burr or Swanson could go to the 60. Otherwise I guess it'll be someone like Pop or Robertson. Maybe both, but I kind of expect them to DFA Berroa at this point considering the depth they have in the OF. Would they be willing to DFA two more pitchers to make room for the two OF?

 

[Canada4Gold]

This year is already signed and baseball doesng rip up deals (years are only canceled with options/opt-outs). This is 1 of arb plus 4 of fa

Thanks. Years go by fast. Didn't realize he only had 1 year of arb left. While not allowed it wouldn't be the first time a deal was reported by just tacking on the year in progress. His current deal is 4.6, so if he signed a 4 year 53.4 million contract and it somehow got reported including the current year or something. I think that's happened before.

I'm rather surprised Roden made the team, and much more surprised Barger didn't. They've both raked. Feels weird to reward the guy who hasn't played a MLB game and not the guy who had a chunk of time here last year. Guess they don't see the playing time for Barger. Roden for sure deserves it, but he isn't on enough top 100 lists to reward us with a pick if he wins rookie of year(stupid rule) so I figured they've find enough justification to keep him down until Springer is benched and get the extra year. Lukes probably deserves a shot somewhere at some point but I would have preffered Barger.

Annoyed they're dumping Nance to keep Lovelady and Barnes. I thought the injuries to Swanson and Burr left a pretty clear path for Nance to stay. Would have also kept Yarborough but not that concerned about that decision.

 

[Bjindaho]

So, DFA…..
Nance for Barnes
Who for Straw/Roden/Lovelady?
Two for Manoah/Bastardo to the 60-day….maybe Zach Pop?

Manoah and Bastardo already got Lovelady on the 40 man.

3 others need dfa or 60 day. Nance is a likely dfa.

Depending on health, Pop for Burr could go 60 day.

Other options include Berroa and Jimenez.

 

[aingefan]

The Jays 40 already has Manoah and Bastardo on the 60-day and Lovelady on the roster, so they need to make room for Straw, Roden, and Barnes.

DFAing Nance is an easy call. I guess it's possible Burr or Swanson could go to the 60. Otherwise I guess it'll be someone like Pop or Robertson. Maybe both, but I kind of expect them to DFA Berroa at this point considering the depth they have in the OF. Would they be willing to DFA two more pitchers to make room for the two OF?

I don’t like DFAing homegrown sign and develops in favor of fungible arms.
I guess Pop is on the IL to start? Not sure how that effects his status.
Would rather just keep Berroa.

 

[Bjindaho]

I don’t like DFAing homegrown sign and develops in favor of fungible arms.
I guess Pop is on the IL to start? Not sure how that effects his status.
Would rather just keep Berroa.

Honestly, they are likely going to DFA someone like Berroa now (unlikely to be claimed) and possibly one of Lukes/Straw in a week or do.

 

[trellaine201]

Brutal letting Yarborough GO! Hope it haunts them!

 

[MK78]

Brutal letting Yarborough GO! Hope it haunts them!

Yeah no idea why they did that.

 

[Discoverer]

I don’t like DFAing homegrown sign and develops in favor of fungible arms.
I guess Pop is on the IL to start? Not sure how that effects his status.
Would rather just keep Berroa.

I would too, I just think teams usually like having as many healthy arms as possible on the 40-man. You already have Swanson, Burr, Pop, and Macko on the 40-man but injured, and if none of them goes to the 60-day you're (relatively) limited in your options.

I'm with you though.

 

[Bjindaho]

I would too, I just think teams usually like having as many healthy arms as possible on the 40-man. You already have Swanson, Burr, Pop, and Macko on the 40-man but injured, and if none of them goes to the 60-day you're (relatively) limited in your options.

I'm with you though.

The Jays have 9 OF on the 40 man and 2 more guys who play OF. That's too many.

 

[Starry Knight]

Yeah no idea why they did that.

Brutal letting Yarborough GO! Hope it haunts them!

He's just not very good. No strikeout potential as a reliever and got super lucky last year with the Jays

 

[canucksfan]

Does anyone want to make some predictions?

I am fairly confident the Jays will have a good year. They are in a tough division but the division lacks a clear front runner IMO. O's lost a few key pieces. The Yankees lost Soto and have injuries. The Red Sox are intriguing. I don't think the Rays will be that good but never underestimate them.

I think the Jays will miss the playoffs by about 3 games but will have a solid year

Red Sox
Yankees
Orioles
Jays
Rays

Highest wRC - Vladdy
Highest WAR - Vladdy
Biggest surprise - Gimenez - I think his bat will be slightly above average which will be huge because he is so good defensively. There could be a few other options as well.
Biggest Disappointment - Springer. For me, it is an easy choice. I am hoping they have a short leash with him.

Overall, I think a change in hitting coaches will give a big boost to the team.

I am more nervous about the pitching just due to the age. Scherzer is up there and has had thumb problems. Gausman and Bassitt are up there. If the veterans do well I think the Jays have potential at the division lead. Even if the pitching holds until July then there is potential for a trade, Manoah is back, and Bloss hopefully has had a good season in AAA.

A few months ago I was bummed about the season but now I am cautiously optimistic.

Will be interesting to see where the minor league players get assigned to. The farm system has some potential to improve a decent amount if players take a leap.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Yarbrough isn't all that good as pointed out. Savant page screams "this dude is lucky he didn't get beat up more"

Doesn't generate any type of swing and miss and his xERA and xBA shows you right there he shouldn't have been as good as he was.

I don't think he's that big of a loss, especially if there's arms the Jays prefer.

 

[Discoverer]

Does anyone want to make some predictions?

I am fairly confident the Jays will have a good year. They are in a tough division but the division lacks a clear front runner IMO. O's lost a few key pieces. The Yankees lost Soto and have injuries. The Red Sox are intriguing. I don't think the Rays will be that good but never underestimate them.

I think the Jays will miss the playoffs by about 3 games but will have a solid year

Red Sox
Yankees
Orioles
Jays
Rays

Highest wRC - Vladdy
Highest WAR - Vladdy
Biggest surprise - Gimenez - I think his bat will be slightly above average which will be huge because he is so good defensively. There could be a few other options as well.
Biggest Disappointment - Springer. For me, it is an easy choice. I am hoping they have a short leash with him.

Overall, I think a change in hitting coaches will give a big boost to the team.

I am more nervous about the pitching just due to the age. Scherzer is up there and has had thumb problems. Gausman and Bassitt are up there. If the veterans do well I think the Jays have potential at the division lead. Even if the pitching holds until July then there is potential for a trade, Manoah is back, and Bloss hopefully has had a good season in AAA.

A few months ago I was bummed about the season but now I am cautiously optimistic.

Will be interesting to see where the minor league players get assigned to. The farm system has some potential to improve a decent amount if players take a leap.

Roden wins AL Rookie of the Year.

 

[tmlfan98]

The Gate 14 guys (they've hit on Jays news before and know guys on the team like Clement and Schneider) said on their pod today that Berroa, Robertson, Easton Lucas and Josh Walker are DFA candidates for Roden and Straw.

 

[Discoverer]

The Gate 14 guys (they've hit on Jays news before and know guys on the team like Clement and Schneider) said on their pod today that Berroa, Robertson, Easton Lucas and Josh Walker are DFA candidates for Roden and Straw.

I had considered that it could be Walker, but he would surprise me because they just signed him as a free agent, while Robertson and Lucas were both waiver claims.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I honestly have no idea which way the division will go. It could go many different ways. I am not going to make a prediction. At the end of the day, I just hope the Jays are in the playoffs. If they are in it, I hope they go all in for an impact bat at the deadline. Just make the playoffs, and then win a game. That's all I want. I think just having a meaningful September shouldn't be good enough. Make the playoffs, win a game or make an exciting run.

 

[tmlfan98]

I had considered that it could be Walker, but he would surprise me because they just signed him as a free agent, while Robertson and Lucas were both waiver claims.

Walker signed a split contract like Jay Jackson with a different majors/minors salary. I wouldn't say that's a significant enough FA signing where you would consider him a safe 40-man guy.

Lucas also has 2 option years remaining and is bulk IP depth, while Walker is a lefty with only 1 option year remaining.

I think Berroa and Robertson are the 2 most likely though. Robertson is a waiver claim with only 1 option year remaining, and to me Berroa is the OF version of Luis De Los Santos (both being non-prospects that you wouldn't really care to lose IMO). He's also very redundant now with Clase and Straw both being ahead of him on the 40-man.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Roden wins AL Rookie of the Year.

Ooh i like this. My money was on one of the Red Sox big three prospects but f*** it, i'll take a hit of that lmao.

 

[Blitzkrug]

While we're at it i'll do a more big picture prediction

Playoff teams:

AL East: Tampa
AL Central: Cleveland
AL West: Texas
Wild cards: Boston, Baltimore, Kansas City

NL East: Philly
NL Central: Milwaukee
NL West: Los Angeles
Wild Cards: Arizona, New York, Chicago

Awards:

AL Cy Young: Tarik Skubal
AL ROTY: Alan Roden
AL MVP: Bobby Witt Jr
AL Manager of the year: Kevin Cash

NL Cy Young: Paul Skenes
NL ROTY: Dylan Crews
NL MVP: Shohei Ohtani
NL Manager of the year: Craig Counsell

 

[hockeywiz542]

Opening Day Roster

Here’s how the Blue Jays are breaking:

C: Alejandro Kirk; Tyler Heineman

INF: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.; Andres Gimenez; Bo Bichette; Ernie Clement; Will Wagner

OF: Anthony Santander; Myles Straw; Nathan Lukes; George Springer; Alan Roden; Davis Schneider

SP: Jose Berrios; Kevin Gausman; Max Scherzer; Chris Bassitt; Bowden Francis

RP: Jeff Hoffman; Yimi Garcia; Chad Green; Nick Sandlin; Brendon Little; Yariel Rodriguez; Jacob Barnes; Richard Lovelady

 

[tmlfan98]

 

[BlueForever75]

Great move Atkins. Strengthen the opposition with a cut that would have made our team better had he been kept. He and Barger should be on opening day roster. Not sure what players like Schneider or other BP pieces have done to warrant a spot over them.

I really hope this doesnt bite us in the ass.

 

[BlueForever75]

What I do not get is that the Jays have an over saturated INF and set of bullpen pieces. Why didnt they trade something for another power bat, Players like Schneider, Wagner, Clement and others definitely could have fetched something. I thought for sure they would have made a trade prior to start of season.

Instead we get the entire set on our bench which is overkill while still having a gap in our everyday lineup.

 

[shaner8989]

Absolute joke organization