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Speculation: New coach options?

Who will be named our new HC?

  • Vincent

  • Lalonde

  • Muller

  • Arniel

  • Julien

  • Carberry

  • Montgomery

  • Brunette

  • None of the above

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surixon

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Hunter368 said:
Don't anyone take this as me defending PMO, I've said it very clearly many times I would like to see a change of the HC (I just don't say it 20 times per day)..........but what I find so disappointing regarding the HC availability out there from year to year is that there is so few guys who I actually believe could do a significantly better job then PMO its sad. So many old retreds out there who are exactly the same as PMO just with a slightly different media style & personality but the same old school beliefs. I just find it very hard to get excited about any potential HC change when all the options are so disappointing as well. Trotz is the only get who gets me excited as a HC.........the rest of them are just meh or total shots in the dark with a high probability of failure. Ugh
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Yeah, I have little interest in most of the old guard myself. The only ones I really like are Trotz, and Laviolet. I wouldn't clarify Cooper as a retread even though he's now been around a while but he is the type of coach I'd want.

I have a hard time discerning who among the up and coming coaches I'd want as I have limited information about most of them.

I will say I liked Vincent a lot for the Moose here and I like what he's doing in Columbus as a 1b to their head coach.
 
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surixon said:
Yeah, I have little interest in most of the old guard myself. The only ones I really like are Trotz, and Laviolet. I wouldn't clarify Cooper as a retread even though he's now been around a while but he is the type of coach I'd want.

I have a hard time discerning who among the up and coming coaches I'd want as I have limited information about most of them.

I will say I liked Vincent a lot for the Moose here and I like what he's doing in Columbus as a 1b to their head coach.
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I agree with this post, but I would not hire Pascal Vincent as a head coach, as he's too soft spoken and quiet. I think you need a coach with a strong character, who can command attention in the dressing room. To some extent, a team takes on the character of the coach.
 
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I agree with this post, but I would not hire Pascal Vincent as a head coach, as he's too soft spoken and quiet. I think you need a coach with a strong character, who can command attention in the dressing room. To some extent, a team takes on the character of the coach.
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I don't think being a ra ra type coach has any additional benefit myself. Vincent has a couple of best coach of the year awards in the CHL and AHL. His tesms play with passion and aggression.

I don't think you need to be a motivator, I just think you need to clearly communicate what you want accomplished and I think he is extremely good at that.

These guys are all professional athletes, they don't need a pep talk by their coach.

Just look at Sutter, he is hard to understand period when infront of a microphone and is the furthest thing from charismatic. His team's play balls to the wall hockey and he's won two cups.
 
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surixon said:
I don't think being a ra ra type coach has any additional benefit myself. Vincent has a couple of best coach of the year awards in the CHL and AHL. His tesms play with passion and aggression.

I don't think you need to be a motivator, I just think you need to clearly communicate what you want accomplished and I think he is extremely good at that.

These guys are all professional athletes, they don't need a pep talk by their coach.
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Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, as I think a coach that is a motivator, is 70 % of the battle. This is why you see teams with not that much talent playing well, a lot of the times. A lot of teams have a lot of talent, but are playing way below their level of potential, and if you have a Coach that can inspire them, and lift their spirits to want to play for the Coach, this is really what you need. This motivational ability some Coaches have is a rare gift, and they can really get the guys to go the "extra mile" for them. Pascal does not fit this mould, and would not be my kind of coach. I'm sure other people look at this differently.
 
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Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, as I think a coach that is a motivator, is 70 % of the battle. This is why you see teams with not that much talent playing well, a lot of the times. A lot of teams have a lot of talent, but are playing way below their level of potential, and if you have a Coach that can inspire them, and lift their spirits to want to play for the Coach, this is really what you need. This motivational ability some Coaches have is a rare gift, and they can really get the guys to go the "extra mile" for them. Pascal does not fit this mould, and would not be my kind of coach. I'm sure other people look at this differently.
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Are you sure that is a product of coach motivation or real adherence to systems.
 
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GNP said:
Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, as I think a coach that is a motivator, is 70 % of the battle. This is why you see teams with not that much talent playing well, a lot of the times. A lot of teams have a lot of talent, but are playing way below their level of potential, and if you have a Coach that can inspire them, and lift their spirits to want to play for the Coach, this is really what you need. This motivational ability some Coaches have is a rare gift, and they can really get the guys to go the "extra mile" for them. Pascal does not fit this mould, and would not be my kind of coach. I'm sure other people look at this differently.
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Motivators have a very different skillset than strategic thinkers or expectation setters. Very different parts of the brain are in action. So it becomes a choice between what you want a coach to be elite at. Maurice is potentially a good motivator, but when the strategic foundation is lacking, words don't matter any more. He can make you feel good (or "make you cry"), but words become hollow if he doesn't back it up with consistency.

There are short term gains to have someone that's elite at bullshit. But over the long haul, players notice how fair a coach is, and platitudes start to mean nothing once you've heard the same thing ten times.

Vincent may not make you feel warm fuzzies inside since he's not that charismatic, but I think his strength of being clear with expectations and good at setting up plans/pathways for players will give him a good career.
 
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Was Cooper highly sought after when the Lightning hired him or was he an out of the blue selection? Easier said than done, but let’s find an up and coming coach on a similar trajectory to which Cooper was when he was hired. Needs to be a forward thinker who is good at devising systems to fit the players he has at his disposal.

As someone mentioned above, for the old guard the only one’s I’d be remotely interested in are Laviolette or Trotz
 
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Was Cooper highly sought after when the Lightning hired him or was he an out of the blue selection? Easier said than done, but let’s find an up and coming coach on a similar trajectory to which Cooper was when he was hired. Needs to be a forward thinker who is good at devising systems to fit the players he has at his disposal.

As someone mentioned above, for the old guard the only one’s I’d be remotely interested in are Laviolette or Trotz
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He was someone they groomed in the AHL and he won a Caldwr championship with their farm team. He brought up all his AHL prospects when he came up and continued on.
 
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The health issues tho. I mean... if he's good to go and vaxxed and all that stuff.... I'm good with Julien but I'd prefer someone not recycled. Lane Lambert? Someone hire Trotzs right hand man yet?
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I didn’t know he was ill??
 
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surixon said:
I don't think being a ra ra type coach has any additional benefit myself. Vincent has a couple of best coach of the year awards in the CHL and AHL. His tesms play with passion and aggression.

I don't think you need to be a motivator, I just think you need to clearly communicate what you want accomplished and I think he is extremely good at that.

These guys are all professional athletes, they don't need a pep talk by their coach.

Just look at Sutter, he is hard to understand period when infront of a microphone and is the furthest thing from charismatic. His team's play balls to the wall hockey and he's won two cups.
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I don't care if someone is soft spoken but I would like to see a less players coach and someone that will hold players accountable for constant bad choices or lack of effort. Not naming specific plays or players but constantly guys half assing on the back check, not tying up the open forward, or dmen constantly out of position. Send a lesson to the repeat offenders. And of course stop treating wheeler like he's a first line player still.
 
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COVID19's impact on revenue combined with how much of an abject failure Babcock was in Toronto is probably driving coaching salaries down.

Maurice's by comparison
 
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Vigneault Out in Philly, Now is our chance! Too bad TN loyally will be the reason that holds them back…
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Shakey Rustie said:
As much as I hope it doesn't happen, AV just became available and he does have a history with True North.
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AV is 100% a clear downgrade on Maurice. Would set the Jets back big time if they hired him, he has not changed since the Sedin era, the game has passed him by. Maurice is better than him, if they get rid of Maurice they need someone better than AV.
 
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