Speculation: New coach options?

[Guffman]

are we really a win now franchise….doesn’t seem like we’re even close.

What are we lacking player-wise? We have almost all of the fundamental pieces covered, which is why most of us thought this team would seriously contend. Of course this is a win now franchise. It doesn’t need a massive overhaul.

I am hoping we get the right coaching staff in during the offseason and if there is a rot in the core, adjust it.

 

[Jets 31]

are we really a win now franchise….doesn’t seem like we’re even close.

When your spending right to the top of the salary cap you better be a win now franchise, i know if i was Chipman i would be expecting to have a win now franchise.

 

[Jets 31]

There's only one Green I want anywhere near the Jets...

Perfect, any problems with the team easily gets fixed with duct tape .

 

[raideralex99]

Guffman has compiled some stats based on the current year record of head coaches sorted by years of experience.

Experience: 0-3 years Winning %: 0.519 (11 coaches)
Experience: 4-9 years Winning %: 0.576 (11 coaches)
Experience 10+ years Winning %: 0.591 (10 coaches)

More experience = better.

Stop giving me garbage about fresh faces having fresh ideas. Their half-baked ideas don't compensate for their lack of experience. The Jets are built to win NOW. You DO NOT insert some inexperienced idiot to learn the ropes when time is of the essence.

I totally agree more experience equals more wins but my only problem is what happened to Maurice ... he took the average below .600

 

[GreenLine]

Guffman has compiled some stats based on the current year record of head coaches sorted by years of experience.

Experience: 0-3 years Winning %: 0.519 (11 coaches)
Experience: 4-9 years Winning %: 0.576 (11 coaches)
Experience 10+ years Winning %: 0.591 (10 coaches)

More experience = better.

Stop giving me garbage about fresh faces having fresh ideas. Their half-baked ideas don't compensate for their lack of experience. The Jets are built to win NOW. You DO NOT insert some inexperienced idiot to learn the ropes when time is of the essence.

That ignores the variance in each group. Of course on average you expect more experienced coaches to do better as there's a survivorship bias inherently in there.

But the average isn't useful here because the Jets only get to hire one coach, not repeatedly sample the chosen distribution. If the only experienced coaches that are available are bad, this "stat" doesn't make them look any better. "Possibly terrible" is still a better hire than "definitely terrible"

I'm on board with Trotz if they can get him. I'm not on board with bad retreads like Carlyle, Tortorella, Greene, Therrien, etc

 

[cbcwpg]

DeBoer took unique journey on road to coaching 1,000 games in NHL

Peter DeBoer will coach his 1,000th NHL regular-season game when the Vegas Golden Knights p host the Nashville Predators on Thursday (10 p.m. ET; ATTSN-RM, BSSO, ESPN+, NHL LIVE).

www.nhl.com

Worth a look if he gets dumped by Vegas

 

[TS Quint]

DeBoer took unique journey on road to coaching 1,000 games in NHL

Peter DeBoer will coach his 1,000th NHL regular-season game when the Vegas Golden Knights p host the Nashville Predators on Thursday (10 p.m. ET; ATTSN-RM, BSSO, ESPN+, NHL LIVE).

www.nhl.com

Worth a look if he gets dumped by Vegas

If you are looking for a hard ass coach he might be your man.

 

[kanadalainen]

How many of of those coaches first time coaches though?

Brindamour and Keith are first time coaches that have great stats for instance.

Edit:

Each of the top 3 teams in the league have a head coach in his first NHL head coaching job.

I think all that matters is you find the right coach for the style of play and the type of team you want to be.

Well said.

 

[FonRiesen]

There's only one Green I want anywhere near the Jets...

He'd make sure Wheeler would stop taking hooking penalties...

 

[TS Quint]

Weibe is a company man par excellence -- maybe he has inside info and some water to carry?

Makes me laugh every time Weibe says that people say he is too hard on the Jets on Kenny and Renny.

 

[Guffman]

That ignores the variance in each group. Of course on average you expect more experienced coaches to do better as there's a survivorship bias inherently in there.

But the average isn't useful here because the Jets only get to hire one coach, not repeatedly sample the chosen distribution. If the only experienced coaches that are available are bad, this "stat" doesn't make them look any better. "Possibly terrible" is still a better hire than "definitely terrible"

I'm on board with Trotz if they can get him. I'm not on board with bad retreads like Carlyle, Tortorella, Greene, Therrien, etc

Unless you think our franchise is smarter than most and will pluck the gem coach with little NHL HC chops, I think you’re taking a big risk going that route.

We don’t have time to squander with taking a risky shot like that. I’d much rather get a coach with a good track record that has brought a team to the SC finals.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Makes me laugh every time Weibe says that people say he is too hard on the Jets on Kenny and Renny.

Yep.

I mean, he seems like a nice guy, but he somehow manages to conclude that every single baffling management, coaching, roster, deployment and tactical decision is "on the players. They need to execute!"

I take any "theory" or talking he breaks as coming directly as a diktat from the org. Reynolds is a bit of a wingnut who seems to know little about the inside-out of the sport, but can be a fun listen.

Lo-fi as they may be, I think the IC folks have the clearest set of eyes on the org so far as local media goes.

On coaching: I'd love an innovative new-gan coach who could make the most of a talented but uneven roster. But I think that the org's innate conservatism and small contention window mean we're likely to get a DeBoer. Which would be fine, so long as he is able to bring in his own staff, and find that balance between skill and will that this team seems to need to get them over the top.

 

[cbcwpg]

Paul Maurice had this record when he signed with the Jets...

Regular Season

Games coached: 1084 Wins : 460 Losses: 457 Ties : 99 OTL : 68

Playoffs

Games coached: 53 Wins : 25 Losses: 28

So we went outside the organization and hired someone with experience, but not a spectacular record. At the time, this was said about Maurice:

The Jets are bringing in a head coach with a penchant for coaching bad teams to respectable records. He will be entering familiar territory, now taking over bad Winnipeg team and trying to right the ship. Maurice is known for being a strong defensive tactician. More importantly, he is also known as a coach that demands a lot from his players.

If Chevy decides to keep the group we have together with no major changes because he believes these are his guys, then what are our options for coaches? In house, outside NHL rookie, outside NHL winner, outside NHL "experience"???

IMO it has to be someone that has some kind of winning pedigree, but to me that could be someone not in the NHL, as long as they have shown to have success where they have coached. Is there risk with this? Sure, but would the Jets even be able to sign a NHL experienced coach that has won, but has multiple options available to them this summer? I go back to why did the Jets hire Maurice... was he the only person they could find or did they see something in him?

 

[oldunclehue]

I say we hire Blake Wheeler to be a player coach. Everyone says we owed him his current contract based on loyalty, so why not let him coach too. He seems to be the guy that runs the show in the room but isn't well liked by younger guys.

I vote, Player coach Wheeler.

 

[SCP Guy]

I say we hire Blake Wheeler to be a player coach. Everyone says we owed him his current contract based on loyalty, so why not let him coach too. He seems to be the guy that runs the show in the room but isn't well liked by younger guys.

I vote, Player coach Wheeler.

Yeah but the burning question I have to your idea is who do you think we should get as the assistant coaches for Wheeler? His wife and kids?

 

[BoneDocUK]

Yeah but the burning question I have to your idea is who do you think we should get as the assistant coaches for Wheeler? His wife and kids?

There can only be one answer for the first asst role. In-house, keen tactician and legendary motivator, who is great with the fanbase, media and in the room, and has been ripening on the vine with both the Moose and Jets orgs for years now.

 

[Guffman]

Paul Maurice had this record when he signed with the Jets...

Regular Season

Games coached: 1084 Wins : 460 Losses: 457 Ties : 99 OTL : 68

Playoffs

Games coached: 53 Wins : 25 Losses: 28

So we went outside the organization and hired someone with experience, but not a spectacular record. At the time, this was said about Maurice:

The Jets are bringing in a head coach with a penchant for coaching bad teams to respectable records. He will be entering familiar territory, now taking over bad Winnipeg team and trying to right the ship. Maurice is known for being a strong defensive tactician. More importantly, he is also known as a coach that demands a lot from his players.

If Chevy decides to keep the group we have together with no major changes because he believes these are his guys, then what are our options for coaches? In house, outside NHL rookie, outside NHL winner, outside NHL "experience"???

IMO it has to be someone that has some kind of winning pedigree, but to me that could be someone not in the NHL, as long as they have shown to have success where they have coached. Is there risk with this? Sure, but would the Jets even be able to sign a NHL experienced coach that has won, but has multiple options available to them this summer? I go back to why did the Jets hire Maurice... was he the only person they could find or did they see something in him?

I thought Maurice did a good job coaching up our young players and giving them opportunities (despite some people saying the Jets don’t like giving opportunities to young players… that’s more of a recent phenomena based on us trying to compete now). Many of these players are now core members and leaders.

What we were looking for back the is different than what we should be looking for this offseason.

 

[Guffman]

There can only be one answer for the first asst role. In-house, keen tactician and legendary motivator, who is great with the fanbase, media and in the room, and has been ripening on the vine with both the Moose and Jets orgs for years now.

I'd rather have Buzz as Head Coach and Boomer as his assistant.

Buzz is a hard ass who will kick this team into shape, while Boomer can relate to players at a more personal level. They both have a winning pedigree.

 

[Gm0ney]

Guffman has compiled some stats based on the current year record of head coaches sorted by years of experience.

Experience: 0-3 years Winning %: 0.519 (11 coaches)
Experience: 4-9 years Winning %: 0.576 (11 coaches)
Experience 10+ years Winning %: 0.591 (10 coaches)

More experience = better.

Stop giving me garbage about fresh faces having fresh ideas. Their half-baked ideas don't compensate for their lack of experience. The Jets are built to win NOW. You DO NOT insert some inexperienced idiot to learn the ropes when time is of the essence.

Fallacy alert!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Lowry makes the PO's what's the % chance of Him sticking? In your opinions...

If he makes the PO now, from where the Jets sit?
97.83% - approximately.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Precisely 0%, IMO.

Making the playoffs with a max cap roster was the minimum expectation coming into the season, as a few of Chevy's pressers have indicated. If they go on a deep run, maybe, but I expect that both the eyetest and the numbers under Big Dave point to a coaching hire in the offseason.

If he gets them into the PO all of that will have had to change. I think he would be a shoe-in.

 

[Guffman]

If he gets them into the PO all of that will have had to change. I think he would be a shoe-in.

I dunno. If the Jets proceed to a weak fade to the Avs in a sweep, I don’t think making the playoffs would suffice.

 

[WolfHouse]

Paul Maurice had this record when he signed with the Jets...

Regular Season

Games coached: 1084 Wins : 460 Losses: 457 Ties : 99 OTL : 68

Playoffs

Games coached: 53 Wins : 25 Losses: 28

So we went outside the organization and hired someone with experience, but not a spectacular record. At the time, this was said about Maurice:

The Jets are bringing in a head coach with a penchant for coaching bad teams to respectable records. He will be entering familiar territory, now taking over bad Winnipeg team and trying to right the ship. Maurice is known for being a strong defensive tactician. More importantly, he is also known as a coach that demands a lot from his players.

If Chevy decides to keep the group we have together with no major changes because he believes these are his guys, then what are our options for coaches? In house, outside NHL rookie, outside NHL winner, outside NHL "experience"???

IMO it has to be someone that has some kind of winning pedigree, but to me that could be someone not in the NHL, as long as they have shown to have success where they have coached. Is there risk with this? Sure, but would the Jets even be able to sign a NHL experienced coach that has won, but has multiple options available to them this summer? I go back to why did the Jets hire Maurice... was he the only person they could find or did they see something in him?

Maurice was a players coach and the room had been lost. I don't disagree with his hiring - he did rebuild the team... he just should have been fired after St Louis series. Never heard of an NHL franchise being loyal to a coach over winning.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Weibe is a company man par excellence -- maybe he has inside info and some water to carry?

Good lawd, I hope not. Not with those ideas.

 

[BoneDocUK]

If he gets them into the PO all of that will have had to change. I think he would be a shoe-in.

IDK, based on the reasons given somewhere upthread. Chevy has been less than enthusiastic when asked about his assessment of Big Dave, and I can't see Chipman loving him as the media face of the franchise.

This team was retooled in the offseason as a Cup contender. We will be lucky to make the POs. Lowry has had most of the season to get us there, and hasn't done it yet.

This is a cap team with elite talent. I can't see squeaking into the playoffs as a great return on investment.

But then, this is also the org that kept its last coach way beyond his sell-by date, even as the team was crumbling, so who the hell knows.