Speculation: New coach options?

Who will be named our new HC?

  • Vincent

  • Lalonde

  • Muller

  • Arniel

  • Julien

  • Carberry

  • Montgomery

  • Brunette

  • None of the above


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DRW204

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Any coach that can utilize our best 3 best centers to actually have lines that are scoring threats each night, as well as a sound, cohesive team defensive game.
Chevy really f***ed us this year. With 50+ games left when Maurice resigned the best he could do was Dave Lowry? We had plenty of time with this group of players to make a PO run. Not that the season is over by any means, but our odds are v slim at this point.
I think at this point its pretty obvious Lowry will not be the coach next year. Anyone hear who may be available or options?
 
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I don’t know why but I feel like Chevy has his next coach lined up and is waiting for the off season to finalize/announce it, Lowry was always going to be a place holder for the remainder of the season.

Maurice has mentioned before how hard Covid hockey was on him and how he didn’t really enjoy (my words not his) coaching recently.

completely pulling this outta my ass but I always figured Maurice has talked to Chevy about this and was reenergized in the offseason after the moves Chevy made but that quickly disappeared early on in the season and Maurice decided to resign and I’m thinking Chevy saw it coming.
 

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I think at this point its pretty obvious Lowry will not be the coach next year. Anyone hear who may be available or options?

The obvious ones are the usual suspects - Julien, Babcock. Some keep saying that Trotz might be available but not sure if that's actually a possibility or just wishful thinking.

I hope they select a proven NHL commodity with a track record. If the team still sucks under a Julien/Babcock then you know it's not the coaching and time to shake up the roster.
 
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I don’t know why but I feel like Chevy has his next coach lined up and is waiting for the off season to finalize/announce it, Lowry was always going to be a place holder for the remainder of the season.

Maurice has mentioned before how hard Covid hockey was on him and how he didn’t really enjoy (my words not his) coaching recently.

completely pulling this outta my ass but I always figured Maurice has talked to Chevy about this and was reenergized in the offseason after the moves Chevy made but that quickly disappeared early on in the season and Maurice decided to resign and I’m thinking Chevy saw it coming.
They were his words...

"Going back to the bubble, to the lockout year, I didn't enjoy it and that's the very first time in my career I didn't enjoy coming to the rink and I thought that maybe it was all of what was going on," Maurice explained about his decision to step down. "And if you lose some of that passion for the game, the love of the game, you can still be good, but you can't be as good as you should be or you could be, and that's how I feel I am. So, this is where I'm at today."

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Given how the coach and the GM "should" be communicating, I can't believe for one second that Chevy, and Chipman, were not aware that Maurice was going to walk.

The fact that we went with Lowry, I'm hoping it means they wanted to do a more exhausted search for a new coach and maybe an entire coaching staff, and decided the off season would be the best time to do this change, and to just keep who they had... for the remainder of the season knowing there is a good chance we won't be a playoff team.

If the current coaching staff is what we start next season with... I will be severely disappointed.
 
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It's a clear indictment of what the coaches think of the depth that Cheveldayoff has given them, and I don't think it's at all justified.

I think the hold up is that they can't even grasp the concept that players can fill a role on a line outside of scoring or checking. Players like Svechnikov can have an actual positive effect on a line with Connor and Dubois that doesn't inflate his own boxcar stats.

There's some kind of broken philosophy that players outside of the top 6 aren't going to score a lot but all it really comes down to is our 3rd line is deployed almost exclusively defensively (~67% defensive zone starts all situations) with players that can't actually handle the matchups they're given. Put Stastny there on the "3rd line" with Copp or Wheeler and feed them some of the glut of offensive minutes that exclusively go to the top 6 right now and they'll produce. I doubt it would negatively affect the top 6's production in any significance either.

Good post. The bolded especially is IMO a really important point.

Not every player on a top line needs to be elite for that line to flourish. Sometimes a complementary talent is the spark that starts the fire -- look the Minnesota line of JEE, Greenway, etc. I think that the Jets under Maurice were consistently looking to fit players into preassigned slots -- and when they didn't fit those slots, they had nowhere to go.

Svetch isn't going to carry a line. But what he's good at -- slowing the play down, digging out pucks and having the vision to open up space with a move or a pass -- turns out to be what PLD and KfC can really use. I suspect that Perfetti will also be the straw that stirs the drink on a line with Ehlers and whomever, but that's going to require Wheeler dropping down, as he should.

Some players (DeMelo, PLD, Ehlers and likely Perfetti) can play with anyone and make them better -- Ehlers is pretty much a one-man line, of course. But line chemistry is clearly a thing, and finding it requires having an open mind as to who can rather than must play where. It's one of the reasons why top-line 55/26 has really held the team back, as has the whole 34d line grind and 4th line placeholder structure that few if any other teams employ.

I do think Lowry has been a bit better at this than Maurice -- but so could my sofa cushion, and it doesn't even possess sentience. Something to look hard at during the long offseason, I guess.
 

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The obvious ones are the usual suspects - Julien, Babcock. Some keep saying that Trotz might be available but not sure if that's actually a possibility or just wishful thinking.

I hope they select a proven NHL commodity with a track record. If the team still sucks under a Julien/Babcock then you know it's not the coaching and time to shake up the roster.

Agreed. I suspect it may be rebuild time regardless, but if they want to give this core another shot then we better bring in a proven winner.
 

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I don’t know why but I feel like Chevy has his next coach lined up and is waiting for the off season to finalize/announce it, Lowry was always going to be a place holder for the remainder of the season.

Maurice has mentioned before how hard Covid hockey was on him and how he didn’t really enjoy (my words not his) coaching recently.

completely pulling this outta my ass but I always figured Maurice has talked to Chevy about this and was reenergized in the offseason after the moves Chevy made but that quickly disappeared early on in the season and Maurice decided to resign and I’m thinking Chevy saw it coming.
My gut feel on the whole resignation thing was that PM had a deal with Chevy/Chipman that he would resign if they lost faith in him as coach. Public firings are so humiliating and hard on everyone that this was humane and left everyone feeling ok about things. Just a guess but it has all the indicators of a prior understanding to me. We will likely never know the gory details.
 

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Question...

How many NHL coaches in recent history have just "walked" away on their own accord and not been fired? We have even seen a coach fired while waiting for a cab after a game... but to just quit in mid-season?
 
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Speculating here;

Let’s say that at the end of the season Chevy cleans out his coaching staff. He hires Rikard Gronborg. Would he have the knowledge of whom to hire as assistant coaches or other staff as needed in North America? Or would he give guidance to what he needs and let Chevy pick best available?
 

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Good post. The bolded especially is IMO a really important point.

Not every player on a top line needs to be elite for that line to flourish. Sometimes a complementary talent is the spark that starts the fire -- look the Minnesota line of JEE, Greenway, etc. I think that the Jets under Maurice were consistently looking to fit players into preassigned slots -- and when they didn't fit those slots, they had nowhere to go.

Svetch isn't going to carry a line. But what he's good at -- slowing the play down, digging out pucks and having the vision to open up space with a move or a pass -- turns out to be what PLD and KfC can really use. I suspect that Perfetti will also be the straw that stirs the drink on a line with Ehlers and whomever, but that's going to require Wheeler dropping down, as he should.

Some players (DeMelo, PLD, Ehlers and likely Perfetti) can play with anyone and make them better -- Ehlers is pretty much a one-man line, of course. But line chemistry is clearly a thing, and finding it requires having an open mind as to who can rather than must play where. It's one of the reasons why top-line 55/26 has really held the team back, as has the whole 34d line grind and 4th line placeholder structure that few if any other teams employ.

I do think Lowry has been a bit better at this than Maurice -- but so could my sofa cushion, and it doesn't even possess sentience. Something to look hard at during the long offseason, I guess.

Pretty much this. Most teams look to put high talented pairs together while adding a third complimentary piece to round out the line. There is only one puck to go around and star players like to handle the puck more. Too many stars on one line and I find you get a bit too much deferring going on.

For instance while perfetti worked great with Kyle and PL, I found that Dubois and Conner didn't drive as much because Perfetti could drive play as well. Whereas with Svech both Conner and Dubois are more engaged at driving the play because Svech is a true compliment type player who doesnt have the puck a lot but plays off of them well and has enough skill and smarts to keep up with them.

I would like to see what a pairing of Perfetti and Scheifele could do together. On paper they seem like a great match. If we could then bring in a player like Debrusk to do the puck pursuit of that line I think you have another good one.

Try to get a good 2 way center and build a third scoring line around Ehlers, that center and Wheeler ad the compliment.
 

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Pretty much this. Most teams look to put high talented pairs together while adding a third complimentary piece to round out the line. There is only one puck to go around and star players like to handle the puck more. Too many stars on one line and I find you get a bit too much deferring going on.

For instance while perfetti worked great with Kyle and PL, I found that Dubois and Conner didn't drive as much because Perfetti could drive play as well. Whereas with Svech both Conner and Dubois are more engaged at driving the play because Svech is a true compliment type player who doesnt have the puck a lot but plays off of them well and has enough skill and smarts to keep up with them.

I would like to see what a pairing of Perfetti and Scheifele could do together. On paper they seem like a great match. If we could then bring in a player like Debrusk to do the puck pursuit of that line I think you have another good one.

Try to get a good 2 way center and build a third scoring line around Ehlers, that center and Wheeler ad the compliment.

I like this a lot. Just the usual caveat tho - a line that on paper seems like it should meld together analytically - oftentimes doesn't live up to expectations, and, vice-versa. It is so important to give line combinations a reasonable amount of actual on-ice time to see if some chemistry has formed. And just to be clear, pulling out the old blender during in-game circumstances is not what I'm referencing here.

Maurice never seemed interested in looking at this, even though there were many opportunities to do so.
 
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Question...

How many NHL coaches in recent history have just "walked" away on their own accord and not been fired? We have even seen a coach fired while waiting for a cab after a game... but to just quit in mid-season?

I’m under the assumption Chipman wanted to let Maurice resign to be loyal … no way would the jets organization look like they fired a long term employee
 

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I would bet good money it's going to be Randy Carlyle. Won the cup with Anaheim, deep roots with Jets 1.0 and with the Moose (and thus willing to live and work in the Peg), and most importantly knows Chipman personally.

Whether that's a good call I don't know, but that's what I would predict.
 

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I like this a lot. Just the usual caveat tho - a line that on paper seems like it should meld together analytically - oftentimes doesn't live up to expectations, and, vice-versa. It is so important to give line combinations a reasonable amount of actual on-ice time to see if some chemistry has formed. And just to be clear, pulling out the old blender during in-game circumstances is not what I'm referencing here.

Maurice never seemed interested in looking at this, even though there were many opportunities to do so.

Yup and when he stumbled upon a combo that worked when injuries forced his hand he always went back to what he was comfortable with despite the results.
 
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Good post. The bolded especially is IMO a really important point.

Not every player on a top line needs to be elite for that line to flourish. Sometimes a complementary talent is the spark that starts the fire -- look the Minnesota line of JEE, Greenway, etc. I think that the Jets under Maurice were consistently looking to fit players into preassigned slots -- and when they didn't fit those slots, they had nowhere to go.

Svetch isn't going to carry a line. But what he's good at -- slowing the play down, digging out pucks and having the vision to open up space with a move or a pass -- turns out to be what PLD and KfC can really use. I suspect that Perfetti will also be the straw that stirs the drink on a line with Ehlers and whomever, but that's going to require Wheeler dropping down, as he should.

Some players (DeMelo, PLD, Ehlers and likely Perfetti) can play with anyone and make them better -- Ehlers is pretty much a one-man line, of course. But line chemistry is clearly a thing, and finding it requires having an open mind as to who can rather than must play where. It's one of the reasons why top-line 55/26 has really held the team back, as has the whole 34d line grind and 4th line placeholder structure that few if any other teams employ.

I do think Lowry has been a bit better at this than Maurice -- but so could my sofa cushion, and it doesn't even possess sentience. Something to look hard at during the long offseason, I guess.
Sofa Cushion for coach!
 
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I would bet good money it's going to be Randy Carlyle. Won the cup with Anaheim, deep roots with Jets 1.0 and with the Moose (and thus willing to live and work in the Peg), and most importantly knows Chipman personally.

Whether that's a good call I don't know, but that's what I would predict.

I don't think he would be a good fit honestly.
 
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Question...

How many NHL coaches in recent history have just "walked" away on their own accord and not been fired? We have even seen a coach fired while waiting for a cab after a game... but to just quit in mid-season?


A few like Babs and Keanen for fame or riches. Those were in the off season. Claude Ruel resigned from the Habs 21 games into a season in the early 1970's. It was a couple seasons after he had coached them to a Cup. It was said he would be so nervous that he would leave the bench during games to get sick in the tunnel. Bowman would later win a bunch of Cups with that team. There have been times Maurice has looked like a nervous wreck too.
 

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Alain Vigneault? He's unemployed, he coached with the Moose so he has a relationship with the organization, and has one of the winningest records in NHL coaching in recent memory.
 
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Alain Vigneault? He's unemployed, he coached with the Moose so he has a relationship with the organization, and has one of the winningest records in NHL coaching in recent memory.

I don't think he'd be a great fit personally. I see this team as somewhat similarly constructed as the Flyers and he was a disaster with them.
 

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Let me introduce you to the general manager of the Winnipeg jets

While he has his own role in it, it doesn't meet the level of Quenneville's involvement according to what's been reported. Either way, I'd rather not have Quenneville here given the circumstances.
 
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