Speculation: New coach options?

[Ducky10]

Well we have to see if Stastny is even brought back first but I'd love to use him at 3C.

Just kills me that this hasn’t been tried and the media completely ignores it. I thought for sure when Stastny signed back on we’d run him up the middle with 55, 80 and 17. I’ve been advocating this since the beginning of the season. I get with all the injuries it’s difficult to do at the moment, but to not have built the lineup around it all year completely baffles me. I just don’t get this org sometimes.

 

[JetsNut]

Just kills me that this hasn’t been tried and the media completely ignores it. I thought for sure when Stastny signed back on we’d run him up the middle with 55, 80 and 17. I’ve been advocating this since the beginning of the season. I get with all the injuries it’s difficult to do at the moment, but to not have built the lineup around it all year completely baffles me. I just don’t get this org sometimes.

That’s Maurice for you.

 

[surixon]

Just kills me that this hasn’t been tried and the media completely ignores it. I thought for sure when Stastny signed back on we’d run him up the middle with 55, 80 and 17. I’ve been advocating this since the beginning of the season. I get with all the injuries it’s difficult to do at the moment, but to not have built the lineup around it all year completely baffles me. I just don’t get this org sometimes.

Y0u aren't the only one and imo Lowry's game as aged a bit and he isn't really the physical suppression stalwart he was 4 to 5 years ago. Having Adam as a physical 4C that can play 10 minutes at 5 on 5 with a lot of PK time seems to be the best use of his current ability.

Hopefully the Scheifele we have seen the last week and a bit is the one that finishes the year and the one that the next coach gets. We get that Mark with a better scheme and we look like a different team.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Y0u aren't the only one and imo Lowry's game as aged a bit and he isn't really the physical suppression stalwart he was 4 to 5 years ago. Having Adam as a physical 4C that can play 10 minutes at 5 on 5 with a lot of PK time seems to be the best use of his current ability.

Hopefully the Scheifele we have seen the last week and a bit is the one that finishes the year and the one that the next coach gets. We get that Mark with a better scheme and we look like a different team.

I’m not following you around on the board I promise! Lol.

But scheifele needs to be a LOT better still, to be a 1C that will help us win games. He has just been so lackadaisical for so long that we see any sort of life from him and we rejoice!

it’s actually sad to watch this team go through the motions with very little emotion (except the guys fighting just to stay in the big league)

 

[surixon]

I’m not following you around on the board I promise! Lol.

But scheifele needs to be a LOT better still, to be a 1C that will help us win games. He has just been so lackadaisical for so long that we see any sort of life from him and we rejoice!

it’s actually sad to watch this team go through the motions with very little emotion (except the guys fighting just to stay in the big league)

Do you think players like Dubois, Conner, Morrissey, Helle, Pionk etc are lacking drive and emotion? Did you hear Dubois after the game today, he was pissed and wasn't interested in the media talking about silver linings. Sure Scheifele can still be better then what he has been but his production and playdriving are back at a high level and his intensity is up. Really all he needs to is to develop his defensive game.

We aren't a team designed to hit everything that moves and shouldn't expect them to play like that.

 

[Hunter368]

IMO......I think Chevy's biggest move this summer will be getting the right coach for this team, at least very close as important to signing PLD long term, he's been a stud on this team during a season when many of the players have had down seasons. I don't think I can suffer through another bad coach on this team, go out, hire the right guy who gives this team an identity, plays the players to their strengths, sets the right culture in the locker room. Anything less then that, Chevy becomes accountable and I've supported Chevy the majority of the times with his decisions.......but he has to get this one right, no room for failure.

 

[surixon]

IMO......I think Chevy's biggest move this summer will be getting the right coach for this team, at least very close as important to signing PLD long term, he's been a stud on this team during a season when many of the players have had down seasons. I don't think I can suffer through another bad coach on this team, go out, hire the right guy who gives this team an identity, plays the players to their strengths, sets the right culture in the locker room. Anything less then that, Chevy becomes accountable and I've supported Chevy the majority of the times with his decisions.......but he has to get this one right, no room for failure.

I agree, whi he gets to coach this team is pretty much paramount. I'm curious as to who he has his eyes on. I'd assume he already has a list of candidates.

 

[Hunter368]

I agree, whi he gets to coach this team is pretty much paramount. I'm curious as to who he has his eyes on. I'd assume he already has a list of candidates.

I assume he has in his mind a list of who is available and who might be able come the summer.

 

[surixon]

I assume he has in his mind a list of who is available and who might be able come the summer.

Do you think he goes with an established coach or a young up and comer like Vincent? I'm not really sure what he does myself. I would go with a young up and Comer unless a Cooper or Trotz is on the market.

 

[Hunter368]

Do you think he goes with an established coach or a young up and commercial like Vincent? I'm not really sure myself what he does myself. I would go with a young up and Comer unless a Cooper or Trotz is on the market.

I kind of agree with your logic, depends what available TBH. If there is a big/good name available then I would seriously consider him.......if there isn't anything like that then you kind of have to try to find that diamond in the rough out there.

 

[Duke749]

Just kills me that this hasn’t been tried and the media completely ignores it. I thought for sure when Stastny signed back on we’d run him up the middle with 55, 80 and 17. I’ve been advocating this since the beginning of the season. I get with all the injuries it’s difficult to do at the moment, but to not have built the lineup around it all year completely baffles me. I just don’t get this org sometimes.

Hell, how many team have we seen win cups because they had clear top 6 players playing on their third line? I remember one of those Pittsburg Cups with Kessel on their third line. Like how do you match up to that?

 

[None]

Hell, how many team have we seen win cups because they had clear top 6 players playing on their third line? I remember one of those Pittsburg Cups with Kessel on their third line. Like how do you match up to that?

It's a clear indictment of what the coaches think of the depth that Cheveldayoff has given them, and I don't think it's at all justified.

I think the hold up is that they can't even grasp the concept that players can fill a role on a line outside of scoring or checking. Players like Svechnikov can have an actual positive effect on a line with Connor and Dubois that doesn't inflate his own boxcar stats.

There's some kind of broken philosophy that players outside of the top 6 aren't going to score a lot but all it really comes down to is our 3rd line is deployed almost exclusively defensively (~67% defensive zone starts all situations) with players that can't actually handle the matchups they're given. Put Stastny there on the "3rd line" with Copp or Wheeler and feed them some of the glut of offensive minutes that exclusively go to the top 6 right now and they'll produce. I doubt it would negatively affect the top 6's production in any significance either.

 

[surixon]

It's a clear indictment of what the coaches think of the depth that Cheveldayoff has given them, and I don't think it's at all justified.

I think the hold up is that they can't even grasp the concept that players can fill a role on a line outside of scoring or checking. Players like Svechnikov can have an actual positive effect on a line with Connor and Dubois that doesn't inflate his own boxcar stats.

There's some kind of broken philosophy that players outside of the top 6 aren't going to score a lot but all it really comes down to is our 3rd line is deployed almost exclusively defensively (~67% defensive zone starts all situations) with players that can't actually handle the matchups they're given. Put Stastny there on the "3rd line" with Copp or Wheeler and feed them some of the glut of offensive minutes that exclusively go to the top 6 right now and they'll produce. I doubt it would negatively affect the top 6's production in any significance either.

Precisely. We have seen this issue with certain prospects like Petan and Roslovic that don't fit the grinder role, but don't quite fit the skill role either. This org doesn't seem to know what to do with the this tweener group or player type. This org needs to start understanding that balance is better then role specialization, especially in a cap league where you will very rarely have the players you need to properly specialize.

 

[Zippity]

Who is up next Huddy or Kompon for head coach? Maybe Dubois Dad? Or keane? Got to keep it in house
Lol

 

[None]

Precisely. We have seen this issue with certain prospects like Petan and Roslovic that don't fit the grinder role, but don't quite fit the skill role either. This org doesn't seem to know what to do with the this tweener group or player type. This org needs to start understanding that balance is better then role specialization, especially in a cap league where you will very rarely have the players you need to properly specialize.

I think that's part of a larger organizational blindspot than what I was getting at with my post, but I do agree entirely.

 

[gojetsgo]

Who is up next Huddy or Kompon for head coach? Maybe Dubois Dad? Or keane? Got to keep it in house
Lol

joke of a post

 

[surixon]

I think that's part of a larger organizational blindspot than what I was getting at with my post, but I do agree entirely.

Agreed, the problem is just really highlighted at the NHL level. Maybe its just as simple as they have hitched their wagon to Lowry as the 3C. The only type of line that has seemingly worked with him is a high energy chip and chase forecheck line the suppresses other teams offense. When you insist on a specific and limited piece to build a line around you start needing to develop/find very specific players. One of the reasons that I can't wait for Gus to supplant Adam is that he isn't limited to playing with certain types, he can play off of more skilled players.

 

[GNP]

I wonder how posters would feel about hiring a coach from Finland ? They have great hockey development programs for young players, and are producing world class talent, and many are stars in the NHL today.

Finland only has 5 million people, and the US and Russia both have 300 million, but yet the Finns are always competitive, or are finishing usually in the Top 3 , in big tournaments. They are doing a lot of things right, and should not be disregarded because they coach in Europe.

Also it would be very affordable to hire a European coach, and probably could hire one at 1/4 of the cost of a North American coach. I really like this idea, and think we should give the Finnish coach a job as head coach of the Jets. If I was Chevy, I'd be talking to him.

 

[LowLefty]

We aren't a team designed to hit everything that moves and shouldn't expect them to play like that.

You need a mix - I don't think anyone has been asking for what you are describing in your post.
It's a huge advantage if your team can play a complete game - and that includes some physical aspect - this is a physical game after all.

Sometimes we use the term out of context - it's really about playing hard and fast that provides an advantage.
We don't play that kind of game but we could if the players were motivated to do so.
We used to have a lot more of that in our game - it's pretty much disappeared other than the odd night when the guys decide to bring it.

I'd love to see some of that - it's an entertaining part of the game and can be a difference maker when you are playing fast, skilled teams that typically burn us in the neutral and D zone
We are not that good that we can rely on skill / offense alone - I don't care what systems you are playing.

IMO, our next coach needs to be able to bring that aspect out of our players -
Combine that with the skill we do have, and we might be a dangerous team that other teams hate to play.
I miss that - we had it once.

 

[surixon]

You need a mix - I don't think anyone has been asking for what you are describing in your post.
It's a huge advantage if your team can play a complete game - and that includes some physical aspect - this is a physical game after all.

Sometimes we use the term out of context - it's really about playing hard and fast that provides an advantage.
We don't play that kind of game but we could if the players were motivated to do so.
We used to have a lot more of that in our game - it's pretty much disappeared other than the odd night when the guys decide to bring it.

I'd love to see some of that - it's an entertaining part of the game and can be a difference maker when you are playing fast, skilled teams that typically burn us in the neutral and D zone
We are not that good that we can rely on skill / offense alone - I don't care what systems you are playing.

IMO, our next coach needs to be able to bring that aspect out of our players -
Combine that with the skill we do have, and we might be a dangerous team that other teams hate to play.
I miss that - we had it once.

I'm fine with playing hard and fast, its what I want. But that looks different to different players. There are times when a skilled player needs to slow things down to wait for a lane or play to develop. I find that is where the consternation comes with a player like Svech vs say Harkins comes into play. Harkins goes balls to the walls all the time but it leads to him overshooting the play at times or him rushing a decision. Whereas Svech at times looks to let things develop and slow things down to wait for a play to develop. Some players need to throw their bodies around ala Lowry, but some just need to fight hard for pucks and to aggressively push play.

What I want is a system that is designed around speed, aggression, and puck movement but also allows the individual players some latitude to be who they are within that system.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm fine with playing hard and fast, its what I want. But that looks different to different players. There are times when a skilled player needs to slow things down to wait for a lane or play to develop. I find that is where the consternation comes with a player like Svech vs say Harkins comes into play. Harkins goes balls to the walls all the time but it leads to him overshooting the play at times or him rushing a decision. Whereas Svech at times looks to let things develop and slow things down to wait for a play to develop. Some players need to throw their bodies around ala Lowry, but some just need to fight hard for pucks and to aggressively push play.

What I want is a system that is designed around speed, aggression, and puck movement but also allows the individual players some latitude to be who they are within that system.

Yes, this is pretty much what I was saying - I don't want to plug players into roles they can't play.
But I want everyone playing a complete game (or complete as they can play) - hard, fast, finish your checks.
All of our players have the ability to do this - it's a matter of wanting to or being convinced that they need to.

I believe this is the type of game that coach Lowry has been asked to push - that is the fundamental need this team needs to buy into to before they are coached on the tech aspects including systems.
If he can get that ask accomplished, the next coach will have a solid foundation to work from.

 

[Highway1]

Rikard Gronborg.
The Jets should take a serious look.

 

[Orrrules]

Me thinks that some of you don't grasp what it means to be a good team. Good teams win low scoring games, that's how you win in the playoffs. It's why the Leafs and Oilers flame out in the playoffs. Offense is way overrated, defense and goaltending win cups.

 

[pateramus]

I think at this point its pretty obvious Lowry will not be the coach next year. Anyone hear who may be available or options?

 

[tbcwpg]

I think at this point its pretty obvious Lowry will not be the coach next year. Anyone hear who may be available or options?

Way too early to tell. I think a lot of teams who miss or have early exits when they shouldn't (*cough*Vegas) might be looking at changing things up.

I think they'll want someone with a track record and who can control a dressing room. I fear a new style out of the box type coach would get walked over too much.