New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

[MarkusKetterer]

You're not making him look any better here.

You want your daughter to have a billion dollar sugar daddy, and have her on retainer for sex?

Just for future reference:

Sugar daddy: a male who gives a female money or things in exchange for attention or sex, and no relationship occurs

Pay pig: a male who gives a female money or things

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

I'm not prosecuting anything. All i'm doing is calling him a POS and people are trying to defend him from my opinion.

You have said multiple times that if he gave her
75k then he is supporting sex trafficking. If he gave her 75k with no strings attached it’s a legal sugar daddy arrangement. If he implied or made her agree to have sex with him for 75k then it’s prostitution.

We have zero evidence he transported her illegally and exploited her for sex, so maybe chill with the sex trafficking comments.

 

[TaLoN]

You have said multiple times that if he gave her
75k then he is supporting sex trafficking. If he gave her 75k with no strings attached it’s a legal sugar daddy arrangement. If he implied or made her agree to have sex with him for 75k then it’s prostitution.

We have zero evidence he transported her illegally and exploited her for sex, so maybe chill with the sex trafficking comments.

He's a POS in any of those scenarios

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

He's a POS in any of those scenarios

That’s fair. I personally have zero issue with legal and consensual sugar daddy arrangements. Many of them seem honest and mutually beneficial.

Sex trafficking on the other hand is disgusting. Luckily that doesn’t seem to be the case here, and it looks like the couple that allegedly raped and exploited sage and other ballet dancers is where the attention should be focused In this case, not on Katz.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Why does the title say "teenager" and not "minor"?

If he had paid for sex with a 18yr or 19yr old... who cares.
It's a very different story with the proper title.

 

[Dave92]

Why does the title say "teenager" and not "minor"?

If he had paid for sex with a 18yr or 19yr old... who cares.
It's a very different story with the proper title.

Age of consent is 16. In this context she's not a minor. It's probably why this is a civil suit and not a criminal one.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

That’s fair. I personally have zero issue with legal and consensual sugar daddy arrangements. Many of them seem honest and mutually beneficial.

Sex trafficking on the other hand is disgusting. Luckily that doesn’t seem to be the case here, and it looks like the couple that allegedly raped and exploited sage and other ballet dancers is where the attention should be focused In this case, not on Katz.

But do you see how a girl who may have been raped and sex trafficked may not be in a place to have "legal and consensual" sugar daddy arrangements?

A 52 year old billionaire and a teenager. The power dynamic is immediately awful.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

But do you see how a girl who may have been raped and sex trafficked may not be in a place to have "legal and consensual" sugar daddy arrangements?

A 52 year old billionaire and a teenager. The power dynamic is immediately awful.

Rape victims don’t lose their rights to have relationships.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Seems as though Katz has done nothing wrong.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Seems as though Katz has done nothing wrong.

There are currently zero credible accusations against him currently and no evidence , in fact the alleged victim denies the story as laid out by the buttons.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

In the name of justice I will gladly volunteer to be Gary Bettman's puppet owner of the Oilers if the league forces Katz out. I'll even stop booing him at the Drafts.

 

[Lempo]

or, the media is just showing the relevant portion of the texts they have.

The problem is that media is showing only the portion directly related to Katz, but the bigger context of the supposed Buttons's evidence is in the dark. If we knew whether there are texts between other wealthy men and what kind of texts those are, there would be more meat on the bone for what the Katz-related evidence among other evidence is supposed to show according to the Buttons.

The media is reporting Katz's third party sideshow involvement with texts attached to him but giving us jack's squat on the Buttons' big picture claim in the trial (= the core of the Button suit) on what Katz is supposed to be involved in, and what evidence the Buttons are trying to back their case up with.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Age of consent is 16. In this context she's not a minor. It's probably why this is a civil suit and not a criminal one.

Thanks for the clarification

 

[pearljamvs5]

But given that both Katz and Sage Humphries (the woman in question) have both come out and said that there was nothing sexual that happened between the two of them, I would say this post is incorrect in this instance.

In general I agree with the post, though.

If that’s what you want to believe, that is your opinion. I feel it’s telling in what post you are comfortable quoting. I’m an also entitled to my opinion, and with the latest facts, I am comfortable with my beliefs. Ifu am proven wrong in the future, I would ecstatic to admit it. But I’m comfortable in my believe.

 

[SaltNPeca]

Is anyone really shocked when news like this comes out about a billionaire?

Billionaires gonna Billionaire.

 

[TaLoN]

But do you see how a girl who may have been raped and sex trafficked may not be in a place to have "legal and consensual" sugar daddy arrangements?

A 52 year old billionaire and a teenager. The power dynamic is immediately awful.

Exactly. His "you're wise beyond your years" comment is nothing but manipulation on his part, so she would think she knows more than anyone else who would advise her against him.

We all went through a phase at that age where we thought we knew far more about life than we actually did, and did rather stupid things as a result.

Age of consent she may be, but the money/ power/ manipulation by a 52yro married billionaire over this 17yro is utterly disgusting.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Why does the title say "teenager" and not "minor"?

If he had paid for sex with a 18yr or 19yr old... who cares.
It's a very different story with the proper title.

Because she was 17, and the age of consent is 16 in Canada (and 17 in NY, where I think the two were talking about meeting up at in the texts). Legally, its no different with a 16 year old than a 19 year old, even if that is messed up.

There is a lot of talk her about what is "right" versus what is "legal". Everyone is entitled to what they believe is right, but when it comes to the legalities of it, those opinions don't mean anything.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Rape victims don’t lose their rights to have relationships.

Which is something exactly no one was saying.

I was pointing out the reality of the situation between human beings. The difference in agency between a 52 year-old billionaire and a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked and raped. This isn't some Pretty Woman fantasy hooker with a heart of gold and benevolent John.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Which is something exactly no one was saying.

I was pointing out the reality of the situation between human beings. The difference in agency between a 52 year-old billionaire and a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked and raped. This isn't some Pretty Woman fantasy hooker with a heart of gold and benevolent John.

This probably isn't even a prostitute. There's no evidence to show they actually did anything like that, and she is saying it wasn't that type of relationship, so why doesn't anyone believe that?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

This probably isn't even a prostitute. There's no evidence to show they actually did anything like that, and she is saying it wasn't that type of relationship, so we doesn't anyone believe that?

Because a 52 year old gave $75,000 to a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Because a 52 year old gave $75,000 to a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked.

Alleged by who? The only people alleging that are two people who that teenager is suing for sexual assault They aren't exactly credible people to believe. You are believing the two accused of sexual assault over the girl who is accusing them here, just so you are aware.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Which is something exactly no one was saying.

I was pointing out the reality of the situation between human beings. The difference in agency between a 52 year-old billionaire and a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked and raped. This isn't some Pretty Woman fantasy hooker with a heart of gold and benevolent John.

That’s a good point. The connection of Sage and Katz seems very sketchy after looking deeper into it.

Katz lawyer issued this statement

“One of Daryl’s friends connected him with Sage because Sage was working with some producing partners on shopping a motion picture project that they had put together, basically, and it was based in the ballet world.”

And he told CBC News:

“They ultimately decided to pass on the project. But during the period of time that the project was under consideration, they asked for some help to keep with the funding of the project to keep it going. And that’s the $75,000 that is at issue.”

So we are to believe Katz randomly got extremely interested in a small investment he has in his friend’s production company, and all because he strongly believed in a low budget ballet movie, which we have little evidence was even a thing.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Alleged by who? The only people alleging that are two people who that teenager is suing for sexual assault They aren't exactly credible people to believe. You are believing the two accused of sexual assault over the girl who is accusing them here, just so you are aware.

That's not what I'm doing at all, but keep spinning things to defend the married 53 year old who gave $75k to a teenager to "finance her film project."

Weird how Katz keeps stumbling into these unfortunate misunderstandings where he wants to give women tens of thousands of dollars and they somehow misconstrue it's payment for sex.

 

[saintunspecified]

Because a 52 year old gave $75,000 to a teenager who was allegedly sex trafficked.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that those texts were released by the Buttons in order to imply that SH prostituted herself to Katz. Moreover, they alleged that SH's mother helped SH launder the money. The Buttons are doing this in order to cast doubt on SH's claims that the Buttons abused her.

From what I understand no one is allegaing that SH was trafficked. There is concern that she was trafficked, but if so the obvious concern is that the Buttons trafficked her. But, again, the Buttons are the source of the texts.

Do I believe that Katz is a giant sleezeball? Yeah, I do.

Is he worse? Quite possibly. Does have a relationship with the Buttons? Did he get introduced to SH through the Buttons? If the answer to either/both is "yes", Katz goes from sleezy to radioactive.

Realize that there's not much patience for complexity or precision, but there should be.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that those texts were released by the Buttons in order to imply that SH prostituted herself to Katz. Moreover, they alleged that SH's mother helped SH launder the money. The Buttons are doing this in order to cast doubt on SH's claims that the Buttons abused her.

From what I understand no one is allegaing that SH was trafficked. There is concern that she was trafficked, but if so the obvious concern is that the Buttons trafficked her. But, again, the Buttons are the source of the texts.

Do I believe that Katz is a giant sleezeball? Yeah, I do.

Is he worse? Quite possibly. Does have a relationship with the Buttons? Did he get introduced to SH through the Buttons? If the answer to either/both is "yes", Katz goes from sleezy to radioactive.

Realize that there's not much patience for complexity or precision, but there should be.

To be clear, my discussion has not come from saying Katz should be hung by a lynch mob or anything. The courts will sort this out. I'm pushing back on the extremely unlikely narrative that this was two consenting adults who had equal agency and power in deciding upon a mutually beneficial sexual arrangement.

It's the Pretty Woman fantasy when that is almost never the case.