New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

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Might be because it's common to extort rich people? Not saying that's what happened here but let's not pretend that Daryl Katz is some hf darling
Not that common to list them as a 3rd party defendant, publicly, which kind of loses the leverage if extorting him specifically for money is the goal.
It's also fairly common, relatively speaking, for extremely rich people to use their money to do gross and/or illegal things.
He doesn't have to be an HF darling, some hockey fans are weirdly defensive of all things hockey.
 

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Not that common to list them as a 3rd party defendant, publicly, which kind of loses the leverage if extorting him specifically for money is the goal.
It's also fairly common, relatively speaking, for extremely rich people to use their money to do gross and/or illegal things.
He doesn't have to be an HF darling, some hockey fans are weirdly defensive of all things hockey.
At the end of the day the only people who have accused him of sexual abuse are people being sued for sexual abuse. No victim has actually said that Katz abused them. Due process is needed here.
 
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It's pretty common knowledge, why was maxwell case lock tight court room amd heard and Depp a live broadcast? Not hear to convince you or why one of anything you can believe what you like.
It wasn't terribly difficult to gain access to the courtroom. I know 2 podcasters that reported on a lot of that trial, neither are with mainstream news outlets or have journalist accreditation and one of them is probably on many government lists for going over seas to fight with a militia group...the courtroom wasn't exactly Fort Knox (and watching 2 actors go at it on stand is more fun to people than watching a pedophile and her victims describe the sexual abuse).

At the end of the day the only people who have accused him of sexual abuse are people being sued for sexual abuse. No victim has actually said that Katz abused them. Due process is needed here.
That makes the proposed extortion of him for his money even less likely.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn’t find anything particularly wrong here? Creepy, absolutely - but legal age here, and if you put yourself in the reverse situation you’d probably do it happily. I know when I was 17/18, even older I would have happily had sex with a 50 year old woman for 75,000$

If she was doing this through her own free will, and if a billionaire wants to have consensual sex with a pretty young woman, who cares?

Morality aside...

I don't think you understand the severity of the allegation. Even though she was of the age of consent, this could still fall under solicitation of a minor/sex trafficking because he paid for the sex and she was not 18 and that's a very serious crime that would destroy someone's life.

Luckily for Katz, this seems like there's a good chance this is all bullshit as his and the women's attorney deny it.
 
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Did you read the texts this adult wrote to a young girl?

The woman was closer to an 'adult' than a 'young girl'. Those texts don't say anything about a payment for sex and don't even read creepy or inappropriate. They only look bad because you're reading them through the lens that the encounter/payment happened (both he and her say it didn't)...

Did any reporters hammer Katz and his lawyer about the texts, if they're even from him and what they mightbe referencing?
 

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There's this little thing in society called the law. He broke it.

If you think the law is unjust? This isn't the place to discuss that (this is not and will not be a political forum). This is the place to discuss NHL related matters, and currently this guy, who works in the NHL, can't follow the laws within the society he is choosing to live.
well, we don't know that he broke the law, yet. The victim has denied what the buttons said. Thats pretty concrete. You kind of have to take it at face value when the alleged victim claims nothing happened and isn't accusing Katz of anything. l

Unless of course something has changed. I haven't read anything on this since Friday when Humphries denied it.
 

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Not that common to list them as a 3rd party defendant, publicly, which kind of loses the leverage if extorting him specifically for money is the goal.
It's also fairly common, relatively speaking, for extremely rich people to use their money to do gross and/or illegal things.
He doesn't have to be an HF darling, some hockey fans are weirdly defensive of all things hockey.
The folks who put his name on the 3rd party are the ones that stand accused. And their chief complaint was "the media coverage is hurting our business"

Since they listed Katz as a 3rd party, despite the denial of both Katz and the victim, all media coverage has now shifted to him, because billionaire NHL owner is a wee bit more newsworthy than a ballet dance couple
 

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The woman was closer to an 'adult' than a 'young girl'. Those texts don't say anything about a payment for sex and don't even read creepy or inappropriate. They only look bad because you're reading them through the lens that the encounter/payment happened (both he and her say it didn't)...

Did any reporters hammer Katz and his lawyer about the texts, if they're even from him and what they mightbe referencing?
well, they do read creepy, but they were obviously cherry picked by the buttoms who knows what is said above and below the screenshots.

The alleged victim denies these allegations, thats enough for me to not give them any attention.
 

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If you are gonna cite law and be some purveyor of it you have to also give the benefit of due process.
I've not convicted him, I've just stated my opinion of him allegedly involved in sex trafficking. He's a POS.

The Victim in this case says Katz has nothing to do with it and nothing happened, and she is suing the Buttons, not Katz.

The Buttons(the ones 7 Young women have come out saying sexually abused them) , have complained about media scrutiny ruining their dance business, used a 3rd party lawsuit to try to involve Katz to take the media heat off themselves.

The buttons say that "She approached us the day she turned 18 and we began a 3 way sexual relationship with her, completely consensual and she started it, but we knew she was an underaged prostitute previously and her mother helped her hide the money!"

Like, I don't know much, but if both the Victim and the 3rd party accused(Katz) are saying "This is BS", I don't know how far an investigation can go here.

Essentially, this is like Harvey Weinstein saying "im innocent of my charges, but this guy Katz paid this girl for a ballerina film project from this legit Studio that does Film projects he owns, I am sure it was for sex!"

Is it possible? Sure. But i doubt they are going to be able to prove it if those texts were the worst things they could dig up after controlling 100% of her phone, social media and life for years
If he's paying $75k, he is financially supporting and encouraging sex trafficking.
 

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Am i missing something? Other than soliticing a prostitute, what crime would he have committed here?
And was it before the 2014 law in Canada took effect?
That is if he did in fact pay her for sex
 

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If this was some random guy, I feel like a lot of people would have a less "due process is my favourite thing" and more of a "throw away the key" attitude who are currently defending rich hockey guy.

I think its more of a case of the alleged victim of Katz's abuse has said she wasn't abused by Katz and has not levelled any accusations against him and that the abuse allegations are from a 3rd party who is being sued by the alleged victim, along with 6 others.
 

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I think its more of a case of the alleged victim of Katz's abuse has said she wasn't abused by Katz and has not levelled any accusations against him and that the abuse allegations are from a 3rd party who is being sued by the alleged victim, along with 6 others.
So, the fact that me might have paid $75k to support sex trafficking doesn't disturb you at all, as long as he himself didn't "abuse" the individual being trafficked?

His willingness to put down that kind of cash is why sex trafficking occurs.
 
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So, the fact that me might have paid $75k to support sex trafficking doesn't disturb you at all, as long as he himself didn't "abuse" the individual being trafficked?

His willingness to put down that kind of cash is why sex trafficking occurs.
That 75k was for a film deal, as reported by this CBC article according to Katz and Humphries. I certainly take their word over that of the Buttons in this case, unless actually evidence comes out of a sexual relationship between Katz and Humphries (denied by both)

Theres nothing here that is corroborated by any evidence yet of a sexual relationship or sex trafficking by Katz.

 

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If he was looking for a young girl he should have been in Halifax for the 2003 WJC. Team Canada boys had to beat the chicks off them with a stick, according to Jordan Tootoo.
 

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That 75k was for a film deal, as reported by this CBC article according to Katz and Humphries. I certainly take their word over that of the Buttons in this case, unless actually evidence comes out of a sexual relationship between Katz and Humphries (denied by both)

Theres nothing here that is corroborated by any evidence yet of a sexual relationship or sex trafficking by Katz.

Yeah, and why would she need to keep that quiet if it was for a film deal? The texts don't line up with that.

If this was such an innocent venture, it wouldn't need to be kept secret.

If this is true, he's a POS.
 

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Yeah, and why would she need to keep that quiet if it was for a film deal? The texts don't line up with that.

If this was such an innocent venture, it wouldn't need to be kept secret.

If this is true, he's a POS.
The texts are cherry picked by the Buttons ( the people being accused here) who knows what is said above and below what has been released?

Ifs, maybes and buts...

I'll worry about it when there is actual evidence of wrongdoing or allegations are made against him from the victims, or he is convicted. Until then, I'm not going to speculate on fantasy scenarios. There is zero evidence of these allegations against Katz at the moment.
 

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The texts are cherry picked by the Buttons ( the people being accused here) who knows what is said above and below what has been released?

Ifs, maybes and buts...

I'll worry about it when there is actual evidence of wrongdoing or allegations are made against him from the victims, and he is convicted. Until then, I'm not going to speculate on fantasy scenarios. There is zero evidence of these allegations against Katz at the moment.
or, the media is just showing the relevant portion of the texts they have.

I don't need a conviction to consider him a POS here. Many who commit such acts unfortunately continue to walk free, getting hints of such ties for a person like this is unfortunately far too common and their wealth is used to protect them.

He's not some cherry picked individual, he's got clear involvement with these people.
 

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or, the media is just showing the relevant portion of the texts they have.

I don't need a conviction to consider him a POS here. Many who commit such acts unfortunately continue to walk free, getting hints of such ties for a person like this is unfortunately far too common and their wealth is used to protect them.

He's not some cherry picked individual, he's got clear involvement with these people.
well, you certainly are entitled to your opinion, not matter how not based in fact or evidence it is. I am finished on this topic with you. You have no evidence and when shown that the alleged victim denies these allegations from the Buttons, you continue to focus on them and only the Katz portion, not the Buttons, who these allegations are actually levied against, so that just tells me you aren't interested in an actually conversation and we are just wasting our time. If some real evidence or allegations actually come to light, I'll be back.
 

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"Standard sex trafficking case?"

Child prostitution may sound worse but it's not like sex trafficking is somehow better or should be considered run of the mill.
Prostitution is looked at as considerably less harmful than sexual exploitation of a child/minor. The latter has much harsher sentencing, as it should.
 
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well, you certainly are entitled to your opinion, not matter how not based in fact or evidence it is. I am finished on this topic with you. You have no evidence and when shown that the alleged victim denies these allegations from the Buttons, you continue to focus on them and only the Katz portion, not the Buttons, who these allegations are actually levied against, so that just tells me you aren't interested in an actually conversation and we are just wasting our time. If some real evidence or allegations actually come to light, I'll be back.
People judge others all the time based on social queues. This is a major social queue, being involved with a group of people behind sex trafficking. He's involved with them, that is known.

There's an accusation that he made payments for sex, that is yet unknown, but his being involved with them? Makes it not at all far fetched. It actually makes it likely, since sex trafficking is done specifically because of the large amounts of money typically involved.

It's so easy to get through life without being involved with people like this. Sorry if i'm not being empathetic with him "being accused without evidence".

If he's not involved, let him be cleared. Johnny Depp had his day in court and his day in court cleared his name. I'm guessing this gets hushed up before anything is cleared up. That's how cases like this typically go.
 

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I've not convicted him, I've just stated my opinion of him allegedly involved in sex trafficking. He's a POS.


If he's paying $75k, he is financially supporting and encouraging sex trafficking.
You need to distinguish the difference between a sugar daddy arrangement and sex trafficking. He didn’t exploit this woman, or illegally move her across state lines for sex.
 

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Msybe I’m missing something, but how come a billionaire hockey team owner even know these Button people and their ballet girls? Does Katz have a daughter in the ballet so that’s the way he knows these people.
 
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You're not making him look any better here.

You want your daughter to have a billion dollar sugar daddy, and have her on retainer for sex?
You’re not making any sense. Do you want to wrongly prosecute someone for sex trafficking because you are repulsed by sugar daddy/baby arrangements? Because that’s what you’re insinuating.
 
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You’re not making any sense. Do you want to wrongly prosecute someone for sex trafficking because you are repulsed by sugar daddy/baby arrangements? Because that’s what you’re insinuating.
I'm not prosecuting anything. All i'm doing is calling him a POS and people are trying to defend him from my opinion.
 
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