New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

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nabob

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Or, like, people have read the text messages introduced as exhibits and think it’s worth discussion. Not everything is a conspiracy, as indicated by the NHL saying today they are looking into it.
If anyone is acting as if something is a conspiracy it’s you by claiming that the victim is a liar and continually supporting the sex predators who are slut shaming her based on a few text messages that provide zero evidence of wrong doing by Katz.

The NHL has to look into this, that’s just common sense lol. You trying to claim that your correct somehow in all of your takes because the NHL is looking accusations against a team owner is hilarious.
 
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Which is it? You’re saying there was a sexual relationship between her and Katz, she says there wasn’t. Do you believe she’s lying or not?

Where have I said, since she released a statement specifically stating she did not have a relationship with Katz, that she was lying?
 

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Or, like, people have read the text messages introduced as exhibits and think it’s worth discussion. Not everything is a conspiracy, as indicated by the NHL saying today they are looking into it.
The text messages didn't really reveal anything other then Katz giving her money for who knows what. There was nothing to show ot was a payment for sexual favors at all. Yes Katz was showing a soft spot for said girl, but maybe you think Katz new what this girl was going thru with the buttons and wanted to help?

And shouldn't all doubt be removed when said victim comes out amd states that nothing happened between her amd the accused(Katz)?
 

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If anyone is acting as if something is a conspiracy it’s you by claiming that the victim is a liar and continually supporting the sex predators who are slut shaming her based on a few text messages that provide zero evidence of wrong doing by Katz.

The NHL has to look into this, that’s just common sense lol. You trying to claim that your correct somehow in all of your takes because the NHL is looking accusations against a team owner is hilarious.
Who is claiming the victim is a liar?

The "victim" here actually came out and said Katz is innocent and not part of this.

The victim is suing the Buttons. The Buttons allegedly pimped their young ballet dancers out and that is who the Victim filed against.

The buttons then dragged Katz into this via third party, probably because a hockey Owner is a bigger media target and takes the heat off them.

Since the victim and Katz both deny it, its pretty much case closed.

The Buttons on the other hand......they admit they were in a 3 way sexual relationship with the victim and say it was consensual and only began exactly the day after she turned 18 and that she initiated it. Which sounds horrific even if the Buttons were possibly telling the truth, which is highly unlikely given a lot of people are stepping forward against the Buttons now.
 

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The original suit by Humpries et al against Mitchell Button (Dusty was added as a defendant later on):


Apparently the suit is in Nevada because defendant M. Button is a resident of Las Vegas
 

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What's gross about Bill Gates?

Is there some skeletons I'm not aware of or is he just this weird dude who spends a boatload of money trying to make the world not such a shitty place to live in?
Ol' Billy was quite the pal of a Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. After that become public, Melinda divorced him because of it. Being asked about it in an interview went about as poor as it possibly could have.
1+1=?



 

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You might have the person he was responding to on ignore. It's a poster from our board who has been wrong since the story broke.
He’s also started quoting posts from the Oiler board and posting them here, taking them out of context and acting as if he never said the things on the Oiler board that he did lol. One of the most disingenuous things I’ve seen on HF lol.
 
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Ol' Billy was quite the pal of a Mr. Jeffrey Epstein. After that become public, Melinda divorced him because of it. Being asked about it in an interview went about as poor as it possibly could have.
1+1=?





Gotta wonder how that list is STILL being kept from seeing daylight, eh?

Epstein dead, Maxwell probably going to follow the same route, meanwhile there's countless celebrities, politicians and scumbags like Gates who roam free despite being just as involved in the whole mess. :shakehead
 

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Gotta wonder how that list is STILL being kept from seeing daylight, eh?

Epstein dead, Maxwell probably going to follow the same route, meanwhile there's countless celebrities, politicians and scumbags like Gates who roam free despite being just as involved in the whole mess. :shakehead
Yeah it’s such a mystery

Why are all of society’s elites satanic pedophiles?
 

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Do you believe the victim and her lawyer, or do you believe the accused abusers? That's up to you.
That's a false dichotomy. Let me draw out a possible scenario.

A girl who is trying to become an elite dancer becomes trapped by predators who both use her, and peddle her for cash or favors (or blackmail opportunities?). In the course of that, she meets a billionaire who becomes besotted with her, and she tries to use that relationship to obtain independence from her abusers through a dubious financial arrangement. The girl, now a young woman, needs that independence, and is (understandably) insecure about her future. Her abusers are vengefully using their power over her to make sure that the cost of her independence is high. Of course the young woman wants to discount their story.

The scenario, as I imagine it, is agnostic about whether the girl/young woman had a physical relationship with Katz. It can both be true (seems likely to me) that Katz is a giant creep, and that he represented a major positive change in the girl/woman's life *from her point of view*.

I feel absolutely certain of is that the Buttons are absolutely horrible abusers. The fact that they had her texts ready for production is, for me, pretty blatant evidence of their scheming. Their admissions that they had a sexual relationship with a 18 year old who was totally dependent upon them for her career is already terribly awful, and the reality seems very likely much worse that that.

I feel less certain about Katz's behavior because I don't understand the full context of the texts. It seems creepy, and that coheres with other reports of Katz's creepiness. I don't see how we get a complete picture unless there's a defamation suit, and I don't understand how that works in Canada. I tend to understand that in the US, Katz may have more to lose than to gain from that.

This is why I want to know how Katz got connected to the victim in the first place. If it was through the Buttons, that's really bad, and I don't really need to know much more to judge him.

In my almost 50 years as a guy, I've found that it's really easy to spot creepy behavior, and dissociate oneself from it. Creeps say creepy stuff as trial balloons to see if you'll go along with it. If you raise your eyebrows, and find any excuse to walk away, they know not to bother you again. If Katz associates with awful creeps like the Buttons, he's a creep.
 
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Why are people getting so upset about this?! The edmonton owner is getting dragged into this by a third party. The girl isn't complaining that Katz did anything wrong. Plus in that picture the girl looks older than 17 as well, so it's not like Katz couldn't have thought she was 21 instead. Instead of letting this drag them down, the Oilers should spin it in a more positive direction to help the franchise.
 

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I feel less certain about Katz's behavior because I don't understand the full context of the texts.
What you describe in your post is more or less my own work hypothesis.

That's why I consider it meaningful that Katz seems to insist that the $75k goes to (or the very least looks like it's going to) and is perceivably used by Sage herself and not to and by a third party.

If I was an amoral legal counsel to someone who insists on soliciting a minor, I'd advise them to make certain that the money trail won't lead to a third party AKA a pimp.

But then again, I would advise that for a perfectly innocent $75k transfer to a 17-y.o. girl for a film making purposes, too, because of the questionable optics of such a payment.

Obviously I would also advice them to get some Harvard guy as their legal counsel and not a waged employee in the steel industry like myself. I don't want idiots as clients.
 

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Why are people getting so upset about this?! The edmonton owner is getting dragged into this by a third party. The girl isn't complaining that Katz did anything wrong. Plus in that picture the girl looks older than 17 as well, so it's not like Katz couldn't have thought she was 21 instead. Instead of letting this drag them down, the Oilers should spin it in a more positive direction to help the franchise.
Because they only read the headline of the thread which doesn’t represent the facts of the situation.

Oh, so it’s “since she released a statement”.

So you mean when facts came out you changed your mind?

Weird.
Also since he’s had about 30 posts deleted by mods lol.
 

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What is age of consent in Alberta?
I am not an expert on Canadian law, but typically the age of consent would be different in cases of sex-for-money type situations, no? If the age of consent is normally 16 as someone else wrote, if payment is involved it would still be 18 or whatever is the age when you are not a minor anymore.
 

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If he paid her before the act happened, then why complain about it. If he paid her to keep quiet, then that's a different story.
 
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