New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

[Walkingthroughforest]

@The Management, Humphries's lawyer already responded and said the accusations against Katz were false and they never had a sexual relationship.

I mean, I think it's pretty clear that's bullshit. However, it's going to be extraordinarily difficult for their lawyers to prove it unless they have a smoking gun or admissions from either Katz or Humphries.

 

[Mr Positive]

This is the definition of Cognitive Dissonance.

How ironic. You're the one falling into a thinking pattern and can't get out of it. I'm the one who was totally against Katz in this and then changed my mind when I saw more information. But of course I might be misunderstanding what you exactly mean since you throw out a random comment with zero detail

 

[CF84]

I think the correct word would be is "authority". I mean, some jacked up roid monkey on the street could be in a position of power merely by stature

Not only authority. Here is the exact wording from the Department of Justice in Canada:

Sexual exploitation​

A 16 or 17 year old cannot consent to sexual activity if:

• their sexual partner is in position of trust or authority towards them, for example their teacher or coach
• the young person is dependent on their sexual partner, for example for care or support
• the relationship between the young person and their sexual partner is exploitative

The following factors may be taken into account when determining whether a relationship is exploitative of the young person:

• the young person's age
• the age difference between the young person and their partner
• how the relationship developed (for example, quickly, secretly, or over the internet)
• whether the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person

If Katz gave her money and if they also had sexual relations before or afterwards, he then violated the dependency law in Canada and should rightfully face the consequences for his actions.

Also, there should be laws in place that prevent the rich from paying their way out of criminal activities. If an impoverished person goes to prison for 10 years because of a crime they've committed, it should be no different for a rich individual committing the same crime.

 

[Bond]

I get that he is rich and probably gets what he wants but like wait till the girls are 18. It is still creepy as f*** but why be dumb and creepy.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Why is this even being discussed? The suit was filed in Nevada; there's nothing to indicate that the alleged assault occurred in Canada.

A) There is no alleged assault or complaining victim. There is an alleged underage prostitution.
B)Suit location is due to it being a countersuit in an existing lawsuit that was filed in Nevada, that doesn't mean, it happened in Nevada. Not sure there is any indication where it was alleged to have happened, but Alberta isn't out of the question.

 

[Reggae Shark]

How ironic. You're the one falling into a thinking pattern and can't get out of it. I'm the one who was totally against Katz in this and then changed my mind when I saw more information. But of course I might be misunderstanding what you exactly mean since you throw out a random comment with zero detail

Not trying to offend you and this could be all about payment for an actual acting gig. But even if that is the case, most wealthy men that have many companies and employees know that they should have no direct interaction with minors. He has people that can handle every aspect of hiring an actress for a job. The texts are out of line, period. A 50 year old man telling a 17 year old girl that she's perfect and she scares him? If one of my daughters had a man text her that he would be deleted.

 

[Lempo]

If it was coming from one of the 7 girls that would be a different story but when they themselves have called BS on this then thats where im going to leave it

They call the prostitution accusations in the counter-suit BS... after having filed their own initial suit in the prostitution-friendly Nevada, of all places. Unless the case has some legit connection to the state of Nevada, in face of this new turn of events it's a curious choice of the venue. To me the choice of venue looks like it was made in anticipation that prostitution claims would become an element in the trial.

Did I understand correctly there were only two plaintiffs initially (Humpries and another) and the other girls joined the suit later?

edit: yes, two plaintiffs initially:

Boston Ballet dancer sues husband of principal dancer of sex assault

Dancers Sage Humphries and Gina Menichino have filed a federal lawsuit against Mitchell Button, the husband of former Boston Ballet star Dusty Button, accusing him of being a sexual predator.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Panteras]

looks like there’s no shortage of these stories every season now

 

[DaGap]

They call the prostitution accusations in the counter-suit BS... after having filed their own initial suit in the prostitution-friendly Nevada, of all places. Unless the case has some legit connection to the state of Nevada, in face of this new turn of events it's a curious choice of the venue. To me the choice of venue looks like it was made in anticipation that prostitution claims would become an element in the trial.

Did I understand correctly there were only two plaintiffs initially (Humpries and another) and the other girls joined the suit later?

edit: yes, two plaintiffs initially:

Boston Ballet dancer sues husband of principal dancer of sex assault

Dancers Sage Humphries and Gina Menichino have filed a federal lawsuit against Mitchell Button, the husband of former Boston Ballet star Dusty Button, accusing him of being a sexual predator.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes it started as two and now has 7.

Not sure how someone who is the accused can just throw out another suit and say wait look over there. Especially when one of the people that the third party supposedly had relations with say no

 

[TampaBayLightning]

what are the odds it is not true?

 

[Divine]

Force him to sell the team.

Bettman needs to grow a pair. Sterling was forced to sell the Clippers for less.

Things were so much better back in the day now whats the point of getting all this money and power when you cant do shit with it anymore

Are you from Alberta?

 

[RipsADrive]

Yes it started as two and now has 7.

Not sure how someone who is the accused can just throw out another suit and say wait look over there. Especially when one of the people that the third party supposedly had relations with say no

The lawyer of the original accused isn't exactly the most scrupulous of characters.

 

[Seachd]

Force him to sell the team.

For what, exactly? Force him to sell the team based on an accusation from people being accused of sexually abusing kids?

 

[DaGap]

Force him to sell the team.

Bettman needs to grow a pair. Sterling was forced to sell the Clippers for less.



Are you from Alberta?

Wait force him to sell the team because sexual abusers are saying he abused a girl and the girl who is suing the abusers say no he didn't.

 

[Soundwave]

Honestly as an Oilers fan, I've never really liked Katz, so I'd be fine with him just moving on, but looking at the actual details of this case, I don't think there's nearly enough here to force him to do anything.

The woman in question denies Katz did anything wrong, and Katz does too, the people alleging anything are alleged child abusers who are bringing Katz into this to try and deflect from the woman in question levelling charges against them (not Katz).

This isn't much like the Sterling thing in the NBA, if anything it's maybe like the Robert Kraft thing in the NFL with less evidence and no accusation from a credible accuser.

From what I understand Katz is going to eventually hand over ownership of the team to his kids at some point anyway.

 

[MardyBum]

Can the OP be updated to clarify the allegations in this? Would maybe limit the amount of idiots thinking they're defending an at the time 17 year old victim when they are instead calling her a prostitute and a slut and siding with the people she said abused her.

Just a thought lol.

 

[ShootIt]

Honestly as an Oilers fan, I've never really liked Katz, so I'd be fine with him just moving on, but looking at the actual details of this case, I don't think there's nearly enough here to force him to do anything.

The woman in question denies Katz did anything wrong, and Katz does too, the people alleging anything are alleged child abusers who are bringing Katz into this to try and deflect from the woman in question levelling charges against them (not Katz).

This isn't much like the Sterling thing in the NBA, if anything it's maybe like the Robert Kraft thing in the NFL with less evidence and no accusation from a credible accuser.

From what I understand Katz is going to eventually hand over ownership of the team to his kids at some point anyway.

Wasn't Sterling using racial slurs? Not a good look for the NBA. While this is a bad look if neither side wants to talk then I see this going away.

 

[Soundwave]

Wasn't Sterling using racial slurs? Not a good look for the NBA. While this is a bad look if neither side wants to talk then I see this going away.

Sterling was on tape using slurs yes, even more problematic because the NBA is a majority African American league. The NBA had to act.

Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots I believe was caught on video frequenting massage parlors for sex, but nothing really came out of that.

This situation, I think there's even less here, the woman and Katz both deny anything happened, the people alleging anything are two people who are being charged with sexual assault by several women and are trying to say "hey we can't be guilty of rape, the girl was pimping herself out".

Really weird case.

Like I said as an Oilers fan I wouldn't mind Katz going away, he hasn't done much for the team IMO other than strong arm the city into getting an arena built, but there's just not enough here from what I see to really do anything.

Even the text messages there's no like "I need you" or "I can't be without you" type of smoking gun style message, and it also calls into question why these people were monitoring her text messages anyway (on top of whether or not they're even legitimate).

The accussers (towards Katz) are also apparently like Alex Jones nutters/supporters, so there's that too.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

Things were so much better back in the day now whats the point of getting all this money and power when you cant do shit with it anymore

Yo wtf

 

[Dust]

I think it's obvious that Katz is a sleazeball, he's done a bunch of shady stuff over the years... but, I don't think anything sticks from these allegations.

 

[cc]

I don't think it should come as a shock to anyone to discover that a lot of billionaires aren't exactly upright moral pillars

 

[Church Hill]

I don't think it should come as a shock to anyone to discover that a lot of billionaires aren't exactly upright moral pillars

Humans are not upright moral pillars.

Grouping humans and saying this group is less moral than that group is silly, childish, and potentially dangerous.

 

[psycat]

Bring the pitchforks.

 

[Cypher]

Only 75k? Surprised he didn't just pay it off/hush money. Value seems extremely low

 

[cc]

Humans are not upright moral pillars.

Grouping humans and saying this group is less moral than that group is silly, childish, and potentially dangerous.

I think it's naive and ignorant to think that having an obscene amount of money and power is not more of a corrupting influence for people but you are free to believe whatever you wish