New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

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Steerpike

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And the court of public opinion is making huge strides of taking us back to the time of public floggings and stockades. There is a reason there is due process....

Supporting due process and not blindly following every red herring....especially thrown out there by a lawyer of disrepute representing people accused does not equate to being a pedophile supporter.
The problem is that they non-disputed facts are already f***ed up.

Already acknowledged that he was sleeping with an 18 year old girl and wiring her large sums of money. That's already gross. Whether or not he paid for sex with her while she was 17...

The birthday matters in terms of strict legality. But we can absolutely be disgusted by this kind of behavior even if it's slightly less illegal. It's effectively still the same behavior.
 

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“Ignore the texts ignore the texts!”

Hint: If you have to tell people to disregard exhibits in a suit, you are probably on the wrong side.
I really think those need to be investigated more. Also know that the Button couple released these. That couple is still innocent until proven guilty as well but it looks like they hold onto these pieces of evidence to keep girls scared and under control. Participating in the smear of this woman by assuming Katz is guilty does give power to people like the Buttons.

Also I'm all in favor of further investigation including getting a fuller and more accurate record of the texts. And yes they are bad enough that I hope it would be investigated
 

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Shocking to see all the pedophile sympathizers on HFboards outing themselves.

We're making strides but I guess we just aren't there yet as a society. There's still a systemic toxicity of pedophilia permeating through our society and culture.

Eh. There’s some gray area to that topic. But I don’t wade into it on the internet because of posts like that.
 

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I don't believe the people have read the CBC article about this lawsuit, so I wanted to give you a summary.

Seven ballerinas have launched a sexual abuse lawsuit against Mitchell Taylor Button, a dance teacher, and his wife Dusty Button.

The Buttons, as part of their defence strategy, are issuing a counter-claim and accusing one of the ballerinas, who's also the main plaintiff, of being a former underage prostitute that would engage in relationship with older men, including Katz.

They are also admitting a sexual relationship took place, but it only took place when she was 18 years old.

The Buttons are trying to destroy her credibility so that her testimony can be discredited on cross-examination by bringing up her alleged sexual history.

Relevant quote from the article:
"Humphries was literally a child prostitute to a billionaire," the claim says, "and her mother assisted her in laundering the money she was paid and in trafficking her to Katz."

 
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The problem is that they non-disputed facts are already f***ed up.

Already acknowledged that he was sleeping with an 18 year old girl and wiring her large sums of money. That's already gross. Whether or not he paid for sex with her while she was 17...

The birthday matters in terms of strict legality. But we can absolutely be disgusted by this kind of behavior even if it's slightly less illegal. It's effectively still the same behavior.

Allegations in a lawsuit, not even made by her, are far from undisputed facts…
 

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The problem is that they non-disputed facts are already f***ed up.

Already acknowledged that he was sleeping with an 18 year old girl and wiring her large sums of money. That's already gross. Whether or not he paid for sex with her while she was 17...

The birthday matters in terms of strict legality. But we can absolutely be disgusted by this kind of behavior even if it's slightly less illegal. It's effectively still the same behavior.

Did that happen here? Don't recall seeing that in regards to this case.

The Buttons admitted to it....not Katz.
 

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The Buttons are trying to destroy her credibility so that her testimony can be discredited on cross-examination by bringing up her alleged sexual history.
Generally speaking, isn't that what defendant normally tries to do to the plaintiff and their witnesses, both when they are lying and when they are not.

Nome of us have seen the court documents and the full claims, only the reported tiny bits relating to Katz, in the light the journalists have put them into in a Katz-centered article. Apparently there are more men in similar position as Katz, and presumably more evidence.

I'm not sure if the "alleged sexual history" is that much the targeted thing, if the kernel of the Button claim is that she's a child prostitute and the relations with the Button couple were consentual. Someone asked above properly, what/who is the link connecting the 17-year old ballerina to receive money from rich old men. I think I could hazard to take a speculative guess, in these circumstances, who have the needed connections to be the middleman.
 

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The guy is just all kinds of creepy. He's had so much plastic surgery he now looks like a wax troll doll.

We'll likely never know the extent or the truth but it'd be nice if people like him were not associated with the game I love.
 

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The guy is just all kinds of creepy. He's had so much plastic surgery he now looks like a wax troll doll.

We'll likely never know the extent or the truth but it'd be nice if people like him were not associated with the game I love.
Yeah, dude's nose basically fell off due to an illness that required a number of nasal surgeries a few years ago from what I recall. It was essential surgeries to save his life, not the "I don't like my nose, let's get it operated on" kind.

Agree we won't know the truth here.
 

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My favourite part of this thread is that all the people accusing him of sexually abusing minors are clinging to the word of adults being accused of sexually abusing minors… by those same minors.

There’s obviously nowhere near enough information to come to a conclusion, but that doesn’t stop the instant pitchforks.
 

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I could do without all these constant reminders that the richest and most powerful people in the world are entangled in pedophilic black-mail schemes.
 

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My favourite part of this thread is that all the people accusing him of sexually abusing minors are clinging to the word of adults being accused of sexually abusing minors… by those same minors.

There’s obviously nowhere near enough information to come to a conclusion, but that doesn’t stop the instant pitchforks.
Ive got no opinion until more comes out. The whole thing is sketchy from so many angles and lenses.
 

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The guy is just all kinds of creepy. He's had so much plastic surgery he now looks like a wax troll doll.

We'll likely never know the extent or the truth but it'd be nice if people like him were not associated with the game I love.
Considering he was disfigured due to a very agressive sinus infection...yeah....guess we should make generalizations about burn victims too?
 

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Yeah, dude's nose basically fell off due to an illness that required a number of nasal surgeries a few years ago from what I recall. It was essential surgeries to save his life, not the "I don't like my nose, let's get it operated on" kind.

Agree we won't know the truth here.
It was a MRSA infection and it nearly killed him. It's untreatable so if it spreads into the brain or spine it's all over
 
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I would just point out, to the extent that anyone is interested, that the plaintiff and the defendants on the lawsuit appear to be Humphries et. al. and the Buttons, respectively. It appears the Buttons have third-partied Katz into the litigation, which is a way for the Buttons to defray their potential exposure for paying damages to the plaintiffs for any psychological suffering or other losses they claim to have experienced.

So it is important to appreciate that what we appear to know about Katz and his relationship to these girls is entirely through the allegations as framed and presented by Mitchell and Dusty Button, both of whom have a strategic interest in making this story about someone else's bad behaviour and not their own.

Obviously the text messages are troubling. But I'd like to hear how Humphries et. al. respond before drawing any conclusions. Because at the stage, unless I missed an update, the accusations are not being directly leveled by the plaintiffs against Daryl Katz.
 

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What substance? They sound creepy but even according to the woman it was for acting.

What I'm seeing is a lot of people going through thr motions of typical sexual accusations against powerful older men. Except, that's not what's happening here. If you are believing the victim you would be pointing the finger at the Button couple. If you want to participate in the smear of Ms Humphries then go ahead and call her a liar and a prostitute for Katz

I really think those need to be investigated more. Also know that the Button couple released these. That couple is still innocent until proven guilty as well but it looks like they hold onto these pieces of evidence to keep girls scared and under control. Participating in the smear of this woman by assuming Katz is guilty does give power to people like the Buttons.

Also I'm all in favor of further investigation including getting a fuller and more accurate record of the texts. And yes they are bad enough that I hope it would be investigated

This is the definition of Cognitive Dissonance.
 

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I would just point out, to the extent that anyone is interested, that the plaintiff and the defendants on the lawsuit appear to be Humphries et. al. and the Buttons, respectively. It appears the Buttons have third-partied Katz into the litigation, which is a way for the Buttons to defray their potential exposure for paying damages to the plaintiffs for any psychological suffering or other losses they claim to have experienced.

So it is important to appreciate that what we appear to know about Katz and his relationship to these girls is entirely through the allegations as framed and presented by Mitchell and Dusty Button, both of whom have a strategic interest in making this story about someone else's bad behaviour and not their own.

Obviously the text messages are troubling. But I'd like to hear how Humphries et. al. respond before drawing any conclusions. Because at the stage, unless I missed an update, the accusations are not being directly leveled by the plaintiffs against Daryl Katz.
Miss Humphrise and her lawyers have said there is no truth to the accusations and that the relationship with Katz was purely professional. So it depends on how much you could believe those texts were about paying for acting work (or if those texts even happened, as they were produced by the Buttons, not the person with the phone, Ms Humphrise)
 
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I would just point out, to the extent that anyone is interested, that the plaintiff and the defendants on the lawsuit appear to be Humphries et. al. and the Buttons, respectively. It appears the Buttons have third-partied Katz into the litigation, which is a way for the Buttons to defray their potential exposure for paying damages to the plaintiffs for any psychological suffering or other losses they claim to have experienced.

So it is important to appreciate that what we appear to know about Katz and his relationship to these girls is entirely through the allegations as framed and presented by Mitchell and Dusty Button, both of whom have a strategic interest in making this story about someone else's bad behaviour and not their own.

Obviously the text messages are troubling. But I'd like to hear how Humphries et. al. respond before drawing any conclusions. Because at the stage, unless I missed an update, the accusations are not being directly leveled by the plaintiffs against Daryl Katz.
If it was coming from one of the 7 girls that would be a different story but when they themselves have called BS on this then thats where im going to leave it
 
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