New Accusations Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz paid for sex with a teenager.

[Leafsfan74]

Similar protection of people in positions of power regularly occur in Ontario. They aren't in sports, but are in positions of authority that enjoy unheard of protections, even legislated in some cases.

Protections occur for the powerful in many places but Canada presents itself as a democratic nation based on the Rule of Law apparently with a Charter of Rights. This is simply not accurate, the protections afforded to some go well beyond wealth. Our ranking on Access to Justice in the G20 explains some of this deficiency.

I will thus presume Mr. Katz is innocent until proven guilty as I do all accused in society.

What others on here must appreciate however, is that Canadas track record, from Ontario to Alberta; is sadly impacting the average citizens prejudice on whom they assume is guilty or innocent. Unfairly or not, some innocent accused in positions of power today are victims of egregious abuses committed by other powerful people in the not so distant past.

I suppose time will reveal if this accusation is legtiimate or not.

 

[snag]

Lol what's going on with the "their" being underlined

For emphasis.

 

[Breakers]

dude offered half a million for a one night with a famous actress back in 2018


this isnt shocking.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Katz: I paid her for a film project. Gave her $50,000 and told her to keep it quiet as people wouldn’t understand. And told her to spend it on herself.

What a great guy!
(Sarcasm off)

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

What is age of consent in Alberta?

Same as the everyother province. The federal government are the only ones that can make criminal laws in Canada.

 

[Voight]

What's gross about Bill Gates?

Is there some skeletons I'm not aware of or is he just this weird dude who spends a boatload of money trying to make the world not such a shitty place to live in?

Well for one, did he not fund one of the COVID vaccines and say it would be free (to help impoverished countries) only to turn back and start charging for it?

Theres also a lot of rumors around him, some of which make you wonder if they are true or not.

dude offered half a million for a one night with a famous actress back in 2018


this isnt shocking.

So hes the real life version of the guy from Indecent Proposal

 

[North Cole]

Man there's a lot of disinformation floating around this
Say what you want about Katz, but the facts that we KNOW right now are
1) there is no evidence he slept with this girl, like it or not he paid her $75,000 for a project
2) Katz is not being sued, he is being named as a 3rd party as the main party is trying to discredit the girl

We have no proof of anything beyond that

A "project".... did you see the exhibit 6 that was tweeted out with the lawsuit?

Generally when you pay someone for a project you just send them the money, that does not involve these three steps:

1 - Hey, we set up a bank account for you to deposit the money in.
People don't work for you without already having given you banking info. Never seen an employer need to set an account up for an employee...most employees don't want their employer to have access to their bank accounts, yes?

2 - Hey, we are getting you a prepaid debit card for a bunch of money otherwise you won't buy stuff which is what I want you to do.
What stuff is she buying that you need to front her an under-the-table prepaid card that's likely untraceable? She going to report that to the CRA/IRS? I'm sure they would have some questions why you are paying people in prepaid cards instead of via bank transfers or cheques. Hard to take source deductions from a prepaid card, unless she is a contractor...In which case its still hard to trace and have the contractor remit the source deductions. Not much different than paying someone in BTC.

3 - You don't need to tell you employees to not tell anyone because of an age gap if they are just working on a project...
no one gives a shit if your boss is 40 years older than you, unless you are doing more than working on a "project" together.

Maybe a world exists where those texts are all faked, but until then that is evidence submitted into the lawsuit. Paying 75K for services does not automatically mean the services performed were illegal, but the context around how the payments were executed insinuates that this was not a legitimate transaction for legitimate services.

 

[TheBeard]

Even Evander Kane is disgusted by his team’s owner.

Settlement agreements are almost universally contingent on a clause that the the Defendant makes no admission of liability. I know that's not always how the public views it, but sometimes people just settle to expedite making the claims go away rather than spend years fighting said claims.

I'm not saying Katz didn't do it but a settlement agreement shouldn't be viewed as proof of liability or guilt.

It’s also the publicity aspect. I work in adult and there’s a reason Lucas didn’t sue the creators of the Star Wars porn parody.

 

[Lempo]

2 - Hey, we are getting you a prepaid debit card for a bunch of money otherwise you won't buy stuff which is what I want you to do.
What stuff is she buying that you need to front her an under-the-table prepaid card that's likely untraceable? She going to report that to the CRA/IRS? I'm sure they would have some questions why you are paying people in prepaid cards instead of via bank transfers or cheques. Hard to take source deductions from a prepaid card, unless she is a contractor...In which case its still hard to trace and have the contractor remit the source deductions. Not much different than paying someone in BTC.

I do fear that this is for the purpose that there would be a record of her personally spending (some of) the money instead of it going to a third person who would be deemed a pimp in the eyes of the law, making it much more severe crime in the eventuality of him getting caught.

Would also be the reason for point 1 and why he wants the account the money is paid to to be in her name. Plausible deniability against any accusations that he knowingly paid a third person to sleep with a minor.

 

[LMFAO]

"You are wise beyond your years" is essentially admitting that he knew how old she was, and in general is just a creepy thing to say. The NHL is supposed to be calm and normal, why the constant scandals?

People have their heads so far up their ass when it come to sexual assaults. The estimation is that there’s 450 000 sexual assaults in Canada PER YEAR. That means around 4.5 Millions per year in the States. Alot of those are committed by star Athletes, Comedians, TV personalities, famous business people, etc. Public personalities are just the reflection of society. Alot of those aggression are also done by your coworkers, friends, family members,etc. It’s a societal problem.

 

[ThatGuy22]

A "project".... did you see the exhibit 6 that was tweeted out with the lawsuit?

Generally when you pay someone for a project you just send them the money, that does not involve these three steps:

1 - Hey, we set up a bank account for you to deposit the money in.
People don't work for you without already having given you banking info. Never seen an employer need to set an account up for an employee...most employees don't want their employer to have access to their bank accounts, yes?

2 - Hey, we are getting you a prepaid debit card for a bunch of money otherwise you won't buy stuff which is what I want you to do.
What stuff is she buying that you need to front her an under-the-table prepaid card that's likely untraceable? She going to report that to the CRA/IRS? I'm sure they would have some questions why you are paying people in prepaid cards instead of via bank transfers or cheques. Hard to take source deductions from a prepaid card, unless she is a contractor...In which case its still hard to trace and have the contractor remit the source deductions. Not much different than paying someone in BTC.

3 - You don't need to tell you employees to not tell anyone because of an age gap if they are just working on a project...
no one gives a shit if your boss is 40 years older than you, unless you are doing more than working on a "project" together.

Maybe a world exists where those texts are all faked, but until then that is evidence submitted into the lawsuit. Paying 75K for services does not automatically mean the services performed were illegal, but the context around how the payments were executed insinuates that this was not a legitimate transaction for legitimate services.

To be fair. It's a screenshot of section of text thread, produced by a lawyer that's been sanctioned in three states and represents nothing but the shady as shit clients (Alex Jones, Daily Stormer publishers, Nazis).

Who knows what proceeds those texts, follows them, or if some in the middle were deleted. It's an incomplete record of their interaction at best, and fraudulently presented at worst.

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

Time to sell and get rid of the old boys club- I think oilers fans will approve of that.

What a brutal week for hockey fans in Alberta.

 

[Sol]

That’s really interesting the age of consent having like different Grey areas like authority and dependency. Never knew that was a thing m. Pretty cool qualifiers.

 

[Akrapovince]

16

16 only if the person is not in a position of power. I know that mainly falls under someone like a teacher, landlord, etc but I think there could be a case made that billionaire Oilers owner falls under that.

 

[snag]

16 only if the person is not in a position of power. I know that mainly falls under someone like a teacher, landlord, etc but I think there could be a case made that billionaire Oilers owner falls under that.

I think the correct word would be is "authority". I mean, some jacked up roid monkey on the street could be in a position of power merely by stature

 

[Lempo]

That’s really interesting the age of consent having like different Grey areas like authority and dependency. Never knew that was a thing m. Pretty cool qualifiers.

Dependent of legislation, that may be a very limited qualifier, though. We have the same exception in Finland's law, but I understand that it mainly means persons at some actual level in charge of the minor, like a teacher, or a warden and similar if the minor is in an institution. I'm not sure if it could be made to legally apply to a producer in a metoo-like situation or similar.

 

[Drytoast]

He f***ed.

 

[beowulf]

So if I get this, it's not the actually ballet dancer that said she had sex with Katz but a third party?

 

[North Cole]

To be fair. It's a screenshot of section of text thread, produced by a lawyer that's been sanctioned in three states and represents nothing but the shady as shit clients (Alex Jones, Daily Stormer publishers, Nazis).

Who knows what proceeds those texts, follows them, or if some in the middle were deleted. It's an incomplete record of their interaction at best, and fraudulently presented at worst.

Sure, the lawyer's almost never play fair, but I'm struggling to think of what conversation could be had in the middle that would make those transactions seem normal. Unless she's like, his housekeeper or his personal assistant and needs cards to buy things for him or his family, I don't really see why she needs a prepaid card with 25K on it... and then also not tell anyone.

I think the best case for him is that the texts are faked, because there's not much context to add to them in mind (if they are real), that puts them above board.

 

[Saltcreek]

So if I get this, it's not the actually ballet dancer that said she had sex with Katz but a third party?

Yes, that is correct and the layer representing the Humphries and other dancers said this:

"As is typical of abusers facing serious litigation, the Buttons have filed counterclaims that distract from and distort the truth and weaponize the serious allegations of abuse that have been brought against them," wrote Sigrid McCawley, managing partner at Boies Schiller LLP.

"Their counterclaims falsely implicate others and are an unfounded attempt to portray the women they abused as liars."

There is a lot of people assuming guilt when there is a lot missing information. People are quick to judge and condemn Katz but they completely overlook who the accusing people are, their lawyer, or any other information. There is a lot we do not know to make any assumption.

 

[beowulf]

Yes, that is correct and the layer representing the Humphries and other dancers said this:

"As is typical of abusers facing serious litigation, the Buttons have filed counterclaims that distract from and distort the truth and weaponize the serious allegations of abuse that have been brought against them," wrote Sigrid McCawley, managing partner at Boies Schiller LLP.

"Their counterclaims falsely implicate others and are an unfounded attempt to portray the women they abused as liars."

There is a lot of people assuming guilt when there is a lot missing information. People are quick to judge and condemn Katz but they completely overlook who the accusing people are, their lawyer, or any other information. There is a lot we do not know to make any assumption.

Indeed while it would not surprise me if he had done it, billionaires with their money think they can do anything and are above the law so often, this is a case where much more information is required before I'll say he is guilty or anything.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Must've been hanging out too much with Artie Lange.

Waaaaah my nose fell off my face waaaaaah

 

[Mr Positive]

So if I get this, it's not the actually ballet dancer that said she had sex with Katz but a third party?

Yes. She is suing this other guy and his wife, with some claims of heinous stuff, and that couple's defense is that she is prostituting herself to billionaires, and released this info. So she is not claiming she ever had sex with Katz even, and that money was just for the legit ballet or acting. I'm skeptical of this but those texts don't mention sex although they are creepy and odd sounding

 

[Cup or Bust]

I am sure Katz is likely guilty. He has been accused of this before and he is a very rich and troll looking individual who likely has to pay women. He seems like a shady individual based on past accusations and rumors.

 

[joestevens29]

I am sure Katz is likely guilty. He has been accused of this before and he is a very rich and troll looking individual who likely has to pay women. He seems like a shady individual based on past accusations and rumors. I would have more respect for the process if they were pursuing criminal charges. She readily took the money and continued to see him. Now she is pursuing a civil reward. If he was not rich and she was so terribly damaged by the situation, I am sure that would not be the case.

She's not even going after him or claiming that there was a crime committed.