Neely concedes Bruins need to handle 'off ice' issues better

[JEM28]

To me, it depend on how deep Sweeney want to change the system. I don't see Loui earning 6 or 5.5 per year. He's a very dependable player but i have the feeling that the Bruins will have to rebuild more then they think. To me, a teade is more likely but don't expeft an hefty return. Loui's a pending UFA which mean a prospect or picks (4th rounder and higher).

You think?

Antoine Vermette was a pending UFA last year who the Hawks gave a first rounder and Dahlbeck to acquire.

Loui is more valuable than Vermette. Not saying the B's will do as well or better if they did move him at the deadline, but a 4th rounder or higher? They'd do better than that.

 

[compan]

While I'm sad they dealt Seguin, as I don't believe his problems were as bad as perceived. I am glad they hold the players up to a certain standard, the Bruins are the role models for the local hockey players, and getting away with partying if you can play hockey isn't a good standard. I'm glad Kane isn't a Boston Bruin even if he would bring us cups, I need to like the players on my team in order to like my team.

Similarly I understand Ladyfan's dislike of Rinaldo, he has a lot to do to prove he isn't out to hurt people. Fear of getting suspended keeping him from acting dirty doesn't change who he is. Not that I necessarily share that sentiment for Rinaldo but I can understand it.

Don't get me wrong, I do like how we hold our players up to a certain standard. I also realize at the end of the day, we are dealing with kids who have been stars at every stage of hockey in their life and are about to be teenage millionaires. Professional athlete teenage millionaires. While it's fair to hold a standard, it's unfair to give up so quick. Marchand has had his fair share of partying as well as on-ice disciplinary issues (something Seguin never has and likely never will have). I'm only 26 now, but when I was Seguin's age when he was on the Bruin's, I was no angel so I reserve my criticism for him in that regard. Especially because I was just a poor college kid and he is that age with millions and girls holding up signs with his name all over the country. Some kids just take a little bit longer and I hope the Bruins have learned to acknowledge that in the future. Especially if we come across another player of his caliber again.

 

[Tampbear]

Don't get me wrong, I do like how we hold our players up to a certain standard. I also realize at the end of the day, we are dealing with kids who have been stars at every stage of hockey in their life and are about to be teenage millionaires. Professional athlete teenage millionaires. While it's fair to hold a standard, it's unfair to give up so quick. Marchand has had his fair share of partying as well as on-ice disciplinary issues (something Seguin never has and likely never will have). I'm only 26 now, but when I was Seguin's age when he was on the Bruin's, I was no angel so I reserve my criticism for him in that regard. Especially because I was just a poor college kid and he is that age with millions and girls holding up signs with his name all over the country. Some kids just take a little bit longer and I hope the Bruins have learned to acknowledge that in the future. Especially if we come across another player of his caliber again.

This I completely agree with, Seguin certainly isn't Kane or Mike Richards and deserved more of a chance before being sent off. They very much are kids growing up, just glad they have standards. I suppose on the other foot, I was upset about Dougie Hamilton at first, but at this point I'm glad he is gone; wish the return was better; but glad he is gone.

 

[Tampbear]

On the other side of all of these trades, Toronto really came out the loser. We have a lot of valuable assets that all stem from Toronto signing Kessel from us than trading with us to make it right.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

That's plan B. Plan A is in Talbot's chicken coop.

 

[jgatie]

That's plan B. Plan A is in Talbot's chicken coop.

Plan B is part of Plan A. You don't think Claude would let a dead chicken go to waste, do you?

 

[LSCII]

On the other side of all of these trades, Toronto really came out the loser. We have a lot of valuable assets that all stem from Toronto signing Kessel from us than trading with us to make it right.

What does it matter about assets though? ?It's all futures, and the prospects they've gotten from that trade are not contributing. All while the player they moved for said assets went on to be a perennial 30 goal scorer and PPG caliber player. And when they lucked out and got a guy like Seguin to replace Kessel, they dumped him only to see him become a perennial 30 goal per year scorer and a ppg caliber player. So even if they get lucky and one of the current slew of prospects goes on to be a stud, is there much hope he sticks around long term, given their recent track record? Also, saying Toronto is the loser is silly to me. They at least loaded up and took a shot. Sure it didn't work out for them, but they at least tried. Boston had devalued those assets every chance they've gotten, and have nothing at this point to show for developing two 30+ goal per year/PPG players. And they gave up having those skill sets on teams that were legitimate contenders.

 

[bb_fan]

I beg to differ. He **** the bed in 2014 for Dallas putting up his customary .5 PPG with an absolutely beast mode Benn on his wing (so much for him not performing because he's not at center or on a third line). Anyone who watched that series saw a timid Tyler Seguin curling away from contact and taking perimeter shots.

I didn't watch that series, I am going by what I saw in Boston (which is what I assumed was were the discussion of him ended)

 

[jgatie]

I didn't watch that series, I am going by what I saw in Boston (which is what I assumed was were the discussion of him ended)

Are you really saying Seguin didn't wilt when the play got more physical in the playoffs, for Boston or otherwise? If so, you are going against what some of the most ardent Seguin defenders will grudgingly admit.

 

[bb_fan]

Are you really saying Seguin didn't wilt when the play got more physical in the playoffs, for Boston or otherwise? If so, you are going against what some of the most ardent Seguin defenders will grudgingly admit.

yes I am.

wilting and not being physical are two very different things.

and I am not a huge Seguin defender.

 

[jgatie]

yes I am.

wilting and not being physical are two very different things.

and I am not a huge Seguin defender.

All I've ever seen of Seguin in the playoffs (aside from the Tampa series) is an overall lack of compete, particularly when competing means being physical and winning puck battles. That is what I call "wilting when the play got more physical." If we are arguing semantics, fine. But if you are saying his compete level stayed the same or increased in the playoffs, I'm afraid you are not going to get much support, Seguin defender or not.

 

[bb_fan]

All I've ever seen of Seguin in the playoffs (aside from the Tampa series) is an overall lack of compete, particularly when competing means being physical and winning puck battles. That is what I call "wilting when the play got more physical." If we are arguing semantics, fine. But if you are saying his compete level stayed the same or increased in the playoffs, I'm afraid you are not going to get much support, Seguin defender or not.

I could care less.

I saw a kid (even going pointless) who looked like he was hustling and competing more often than not (and no I am not going to get into a statistical debate about exactly how much) but I sure don't remember him taking games off, not hustling, looking tired, or not trying. (no more than anyone else I should probably add as a disclaimer)

trash him all you want, I don't really care, he's gone, he had his issues and his problems, but his compete level was hardly one of them.

as far as being physical, no, he wasn't. it wasn't his game, and may never be.

you can argue all you want about the effectiveness (or more like ineffectiveness) of him trying to use skill and speed along the boards vs trying to be physical because he probably wasn't going to win a physical battler, but all that is is a player trying to use what he's good at, again, whether its effective or appropriate are two different arguments.

 

[jgatie]

I could care less.

I saw a kid (even going pointless) who looked like he was hustling and competing more often than not (and no I am not going to get into a statistical debate about exactly how much) but I sure don't remember him taking games off, not hustling, looking tired, or not trying. (no more than anyone else I should probably add as a disclaimer)

trash him all you want, I don't really care, he's gone, he had his issues and his problems, but his compete level was hardly one of them.

as far as being physical, no, he wasn't. it wasn't his game, and may never be.

you can argue all you want about the effectiveness (or more like ineffectiveness) of him trying to use skill and speed along the boards vs trying to be physical because he probably wasn't going to win a physical battler, but all that is is a player trying to use what he's good at, again, whether its effective or appropriate are two different arguments.

Agree to disagree, though I must note that most posters whom I admire agree with me.

 

[bb_fan]

Agree to disagree, though I must note that most posters whom I admire agree with me.

I'm pretty happy for ya.

good to know I'm not on the admired list.

that's why they're called opinions.

they can differ.

 

[compan]

This I completely agree with, Seguin certainly isn't Kane or Mike Richards and deserved more of a chance before being sent off. They very much are kids growing up, just glad they have standards. I suppose on the other foot, I was upset about Dougie Hamilton at first, but at this point I'm glad he is gone; wish the return was better; but glad he is gone.

I am happy with Dougie being gone. If the report out of Toronto is true, added to the fact that he didn't really seem like he wanted to be here based on the contract talks, I'm glad he is somewhere else.

 

[22Brad Park]

Dumb trade.O well.Be years of regretting it .Move on.

 

[Daishi]

I could care less.

I saw a kid (even going pointless) who looked like he was hustling and competing more often than not (and no I am not going to get into a statistical debate about exactly how much) but I sure don't remember him taking games off, not hustling, looking tired, or not trying. (no more than anyone else I should probably add as a disclaimer)

trash him all you want, I don't really care, he's gone, he had his issues and his problems, but his compete level was hardly one of them.

as far as being physical, no, he wasn't. it wasn't his game, and may never be.

you can argue all you want about the effectiveness (or more like ineffectiveness) of him trying to use skill and speed along the boards vs trying to be physical because he probably wasn't going to win a physical battler, but all that is is a player trying to use what he's good at, again, whether its effective or appropriate are two different arguments.

Exactly. (mod) also ignoring the fact that Seguin was (still is) very young then, and has shown to be able to improve every year. Even if the Bruins perceived some on ice issues, he had the potential to overcome those weaknesses. You can't decide that a superstar talent is a finished product, as an athlete or as a human being, when he's 20.

All of these 'look at Seguin in this video he's not even trying' clips are just attempts at revisionist history. You can find similar clips of every superstar player, including Crosby and 'controller disconnected' Ovechkin.

 

[Blowfish]

to me this trade is too difficult to assess without knowing all the facts prior to the trade taking place.

 

[BNHL]

Exactly. Jgatie in his blind Seguin hate and Neely ballwashing is also ignoring the fact that Seguin was (still is) very young then, and has shown to be able to improve every year. Even if the Bruins perceived some on ice issues, he had the potential to overcome those weaknesses. You can't decide that a superstar talent is a finished product, as an athlete or as a human being, when he's 20.

Minus Benn and add the winger of your choice here,what would his numbers be?

 

[BNHL]

to me this trade is too difficult to assess without knowing all the facts prior to the trade taking place.

EXACTLY! Arguing his departure without the ability to include ALL the facts is fruitless.

 

[Daishi]

Minus Benn and add the winger of your choice here,what would his numbers be?

Is that the new excuse around these parts? Before it was 'haha good luck in Dallas Tyler you're going to need it with those scrubs', and now it's 'well he's only good because he's with Benn'.

 

[BNHL]

Is that the new excuse around these parts? Before it was 'haha good luck in Dallas Tyler you're going to need it with those scrubs', and now it's 'well he's only good because he's with Benn'.

Noone at this address said that,but isn't playing with Benn versus Pastrnak or Koko or Hayes or Beleskey a factor?

 

[Daishi]

Noone at this address said that,but isn't playing with Benn versus Pastrnak or Koko or Hayes or Beleskey a factor?

Go ask that question from the guys at the Dallas Stars forum. I don't watch all their games to be able to answer who Seguin's been playing with when the lines are getting shuffled. You'll also get a much more honest opinion on the quality of his work both on and off ice.

 

[BNHL]

Go ask that question from the guys at the Dallas Stars forum. I don't watch all their games to be able to answer who Seguin's been playing with when the lines are getting shuffled. You'll also get a much more honest opinion on his level of play both on and off ice.

I can tell you. He's played 193 even strength minutes this year and played 175 with Benn. Last year he played 1021 mins ES and played 900 with Benn,more than twice any other player.

 

[Daishi]

I can tell you. He's played 193 even strength minutes this year and played 175 with Benn. Last year he played 1021 mins ES and played 900 with Benn,more than twice any other player.

They compliment each other well. Seguin had a higher PPG than Benn last season, so I'm sure Benn greatly benefits from Tyler's play as well. I'm sure they'd both produce less if they had to play with guys of Hayes' and Koko's caliber instead of each other. I'm not sure what the question even is. Are Seguin and Benn better players than Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin? I don't know, but they're certainly better than anyone on the Boston Bruins.