NCAA Hockey Expansion Thread


Tennessee State University starts their fundraising campaign to add NCAA DI hockey. Earlier in this thread it was brought up their feasibility studies and partnership with NHL Nashville Predators.

They do not state how much money they have so far or their goal, but they specifically stated they need enough to cover scholarship money as well as an on campus arena, etc.
TSU will certainly need a lot considering there is not an arena. So that gets into the $80 million and up range for an arena alone.
 
TSU will certainly need a lot considering there is not an arena. So that gets into the $80 million and up range for an arena alone.
They could do a smaller one, which considering the size of the school could be an intelligent decision, for the $40-$50 million range. Colorado College and Idaho Falls both put in ones in the 3k-4k range for that price tag. Total costs from starting everything from scratch is probably going to be half of the construction costs and that is to run the bare minimum program.
 
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TSU will certainly need a lot considering there is not an arena. So that gets into the $80 million and up range for an arena alone.

Considering that Tennessee State's endowment is around $65 million, there are a lot of other things they should be raising money for before starting a campaign for a rink and scholarships.
 
They could do a smaller one, which considering the size of the school could be an intelligent decision, for the $40-$50 million range. Colorado College and Idaho Falls both put in ones in the 3k-4k range for that price tag. Total costs from starting everything from scratch is probably going to be half of the construction costs and that is to run the bare minimum program.
Very true, my post was based on the Penn State or ASU arena figures, the new arena at Bentley Arena that is in the 2300 seating range was a construction cost of $45 million.
Considering that Tennessee State's endowment is around $65 million, there are a lot of other things they should be raising money for before starting a campaign for a rink and scholarships.
It will be interesting to watch how their campaign progresses.
 
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Interesting that these tiny schools are being granted, recycled into, and touted for D1 programs, but I see nothing about much larger "name" schools, presumably with much more financial and recruiting clout, in parts of the country where hockey is played at least somewhat seriously. I'm thinking Iowa, Iowa State, Indiana, Missouri, Rutgers, Temple, Villanova, Maryland, Virginia, etc. And it's puzzling that Army and Air Force have D1 teams, but Navy doesn't.

I don't follow D1 Hockey all that closely. I know that establishing a D1 program can be enormously expensive, e.g. PSU, but what am I missing about the many other potential teams? Browsing this thread suggests there's more than enough talent to stock teams for at least a few more "serious" schools.

(No knock against Lindenwood, Robert Morris, et al. Best of luck to all of them.)
 
Interesting that these tiny schools are being granted, recycled into, and touted for D1 programs, but I see nothing about much larger "name" schools, presumably with much more financial and recruiting clout, in parts of the country where hockey is played at least somewhat seriously. I'm thinking Iowa, Iowa State, Indiana, Missouri, Rutgers, Temple, Villanova, Maryland, Virginia, etc. And it's puzzling that Army and Air Force have D1 teams, but Navy doesn't.

I don't follow D1 Hockey all that closely. I know that establishing a D1 program can be enormously expensive, e.g. PSU, but what am I missing about the many other potential teams? Browsing this thread suggests there's more than enough talent to stock teams for at least a few more "serious" schools.

(No knock against Lindenwood, Robert Morris, et al. Best of luck to all of them.)
There was brief speculation in late 2020 about the Naval Academy being involved in an NCAA DI ice hockey study, but it was quickly denied by Annapolis officials. In 2017 this TwinCities.com/Pioneer Press rainy day piece tried to stir the rumor pot on several large Midwest universities being possible Big Ten entries for DI men's programs, with the only credible conclusion being the lack of suitable campus or nearby municipal ice facilities to house a team. As your "enormously expensive" observation supports, it's all about the bucks. A secondary factor is an existing DI conference willing to accept the program as a partner.

I'll let other denizens of this sleepy little forum address the other schools cited in your post, and your assertion & its implications that any/all of those "name"/"serious" educational institutions are "in parts of the country where hockey is played at least somewhat seriously." :popcorn:
 
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Interesting that these tiny schools are being granted, recycled into, and touted for D1 programs, but I see nothing about much larger "name" schools, presumably with much more financial and recruiting clout, in parts of the country where hockey is played at least somewhat seriously. I'm thinking Iowa, Iowa State, Indiana, Missouri, Rutgers, Temple, Villanova, Maryland, Virginia, etc. And it's puzzling that Army and Air Force have D1 teams, but Navy doesn't.

I don't follow D1 Hockey all that closely. I know that establishing a D1 program can be enormously expensive, e.g. PSU, but what am I missing about the many other potential teams? Browsing this thread suggests there's more than enough talent to stock teams for at least a few more "serious" schools.

(No knock against Lindenwood, Robert Morris, et al. Best of luck to all of them.)
Hockey is a (potential) revenue sport, and as such, all of those schools aren't going to start a program without making the full effort of doing everything at the highest possibly level - because when you skimp, you're less likely to make money or break even.

The other thing to remember is that the bigger and more high profile the school, the more ripe a target they are for a Title IX suit, especially at schools that play football. This is a legal issue that I've elaborated on earlier in this thread, and no, it's not as simple as, "Just start a women's team at the same time!"

As for the schools you rattled off, Villanova once had a varsity hockey program, but that ended in 1997-98. They were a Division I independent and were, frankly, not competitive, even against Division III teams.

Navy has been rumored to want to play Division I hockey, and Dr. McMullen gave them a small but decent facility, but nothing more has come of it.

I'd think Big Ten schools would be profitably, but Mizzou, IU, Iowa State, Rutgers and Maryland don't have viable facilities to host games and sell enough tickets and sponsorships to break even and provide a student-athlete experience commensurate with their brand level as an athletic program in a Power 5 conference.

Virginia's campus culture is decidedly southern. Varsity hockey has probably never been considered there. Also, Title IX is a problem.

Temple? Whatever. They'd probably have a decent chance at building a good program, but they threw piles of money at their perenially-miserable football team and now they're perenially mediocre. Football and hoops are what matter there.
 
... (Stonehill College) men's ice hockey will compete as an NCAA Division I independent while the College continues to work towards a conference affiliation.
So LOTS of games vs. LIU, plus a few long weekend trips to Alaska?
 
Stonehill's men's program will probably find its way into Atlantic Hockey before long. They made a great coaching hire for the women's team.
With Robert Morris already being accepted into AHA when they rejoin in 23-24 that would give them an opportunity to bring a 12th team to keep everything even and Stonehill could certainly be that team.
 
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Me as an Illini fan seeing multiple smaller schools (re)creating programs without much delay or issue:

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They've previously been allegedly on the verge of making a varsity announcement a number of times. The U of I should just admit that they have different priorities right now and haven't found a mega donor to build the Jimmy John Arena or something along those lines yet. Covid was just a convenient excuse for them not having any ducks lined up for the umpteenth time.
 
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I will say this regarding Stonehill. With the move to DI their facilities overall are going to need big upgrades fast, and that includes their hockey rink the Foxboro Sports Center. Even for Atlantic Hockey which has some other more recreational facilities in it, this is subpar
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I will say this regarding Stonehill. With the move to DI their facilities overall are going to need big upgrades fast, and that includes their hockey rink the Foxboro Sports Center. Even for Atlantic Hockey which has some other more recreational facilities in it, this is subpar
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FPHL approved!
 
I will say this regarding Stonehill. With the move to DI their facilities overall are going to need big upgrades fast, and that includes their hockey rink the Foxboro Sports Center. Even for Atlantic Hockey which has some other more recreational facilities in it, this is subpar
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They no longer play out of Foxboro, they now play out of Bridgewater Ice Arena in Bridgewater, MA. A facility much smaller and 20 minutes away from campus.

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If I'm Atlantic Hockey, I’m going with BobbyMo + LIU or Utica over Stonehill to get to 12.

Atlantic Hockey already has teams in the Boston media market so Stonehill provides nothing. None of their athletic facilities are DI level, I'm not even sure why/how they got the DI bid. Their main conference, the NEC is an upstart/transitional conference where regional schools earn DI status and move to bigger things. And it seems like their few longer members don't put a lot of resources into athletics. LIU gives the NYC/Long Island market and is already a good size DI school of 15,000 students. Utica is twice as big in enrollment as Stonehill and also in good travel to other AHA schools, plus they have a DI-level hockey facility that AHA used for their conference championship right in the Central NY state/Mohawk Valley.

Coincidently, Utica is exploring moving their athletic department from NCAA DIII to DII, Stonehill leaving gives the NE-10 an opening. NE-10 is a strong DII conference for Utica’s other sports and their facilities look comparable to other NE-10 members.
 
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They no longer play out of Foxboro, they now play out of Bridgewater Ice Arena in Bridgewater, MA. A facility much smaller and 20 minutes away from campus.

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:facepalm: :doh:And now that you say it I do remember reading they switched rinks.

Well at least as of this post I can blame my confusion on the Stonehill facilities page still listing Foxboro as their rink. I would still apply my previous statement about the Foxboro to the Bridgewater rink as well.
 
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I will say this regarding Stonehill. With the move to DI their facilities overall are going to need big upgrades fast, and that includes their hockey rink the Foxboro Sports Center. Even for Atlantic Hockey which has some other more recreational facilities in it, this is subpar
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I played hockey there when I was in Junior High and High School...that place isn't ready for prime time D1 Hockey.
 

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