Speculation: NCAA (Drafted) Players set to become Free Agents on August 15th

[captainpaxil]

Any idea where jay obrien ends up?

I understand given his age and the current state of the team why the flyers took the pick but I think there's an NHL future for him

 

[Mrfenn92]

I understand given his age and the current state of the team why the flyers took the pick but I think there's an NHL future for him

Think he’ll get a nice chance somewhere. Will be interesting to see where he ends up

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Any idea where jay obrien ends up?

If Hextall was still in Pittsburgh I think there is a very good chance he ends up there. Maybe Boston?

 

[Mrfenn92]

If Hextall was still in Pittsburgh I think there is a very good chance he ends up there. Maybe Boston?

Boston would be a good option.

 

[Brodeur]

Despite growing up in New Jersey, Farinacci was a Penguins fan because of Crosby. Pens might be an enticing landing spot since they don't have a ton of AHL players in his age range, so in theory he'd have less competition for an NHL spot. Boston and Florida would make sense as well.

If I were O'Brien's agent, I'd probably check with PIT/BOS/FLO too, plus somebody like Tampa and San Jose. Basically teams who forked over a lot of draft picks from 2017-2021. But I don't think he's going to be sniffing at an NHL spot this season.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I’m curious about Matt Stienburg for Colorado, can someone give me an opinion on that one? His rights are listed as expiring next year but he was drafted in 2019 so it’s been 4 years and I know he actually graduated from Cornell. Here’s the thing, he played last spring in the AHL on a ATO, so doesn’t that burn any remaining NCAA eligibility and therefore his rights would expire this Aug 15 as he can’t go back to school. Am I reading this right?

 

[cwede]

I’m curious about Matt Stienburg for Colorado, can someone give me an opinion on that one? His rights are listed as expiring next year but he was drafted in 2019 so it’s been 4 years and I know he actually graduated from Cornell. Here’s the thing, he played last spring in the AHL on a ATO, so doesn’t that burn any remaining NCAA eligibility and therefore his rights would expire this Aug 15 as he can’t go back to school. Am I reading this right?

these are my understandings, experts willsurely corect inaccuracies

(1) ATO's alone may not cost them their eligibility, they are what draftees sign to attend NHL Dev Camps in July, but having played games as a pro may indeed have ended his eligibility
(2) Because of Covid, players whose teams' seasons were affected were granted extended eligibility
(3) AND NCAA has loosened their eligibility rules re 5th/Graduate seasons
Many 5th year guys have transferred, or stayed in school for extended time (a grad year, red shirt year, Covid makeup year), and NHL rights won't expire until the player is no longer enrolled as an eligible player

 

[mouser]

I’m curious about Matt Stienburg for Colorado, can someone give me an opinion on that one? His rights are listed as expiring next year but he was drafted in 2019 so it’s been 4 years and I know he actually graduated from Cornell. Here’s the thing, he played last spring in the AHL on a ATO, so doesn’t that burn any remaining NCAA eligibility and therefore his rights would expire this Aug 15 as he can’t go back to school. Am I reading this right?

That seems correct to me.

Also note if he hadn’t spent that first year at non-NCAA St Andrew’s College his rights should have expired on June 1st 2023 rather than Aug 15th. Just like other three year NCAA players who leave school “early”.

 

[McSuper]

As a Rangers fan so was Kravtsov. I wanted Farabee. All teams miss on 1st round picks from time to time.

Could be worst. The Oilers missed on Yakupov 1st OA and Puljujarvi 3rd OA. They Oilers are pretty good right now but imagine if they hit on those picks.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

these are my understandings, experts willsurely corect inaccuracies

(1) ATO's alone may not cost them their eligibility, they are what draftees sign to attend NHL Dev Camps in July, but having played games as a pro may indeed have ended his eligibility
(2) Because of Covid, players whose teams' seasons were affected were granted extended eligibility
(3) AND NCAA has loosened their eligibility rules re 5th/Graduate seasons
Many 5th year guys have transferred, or stayed in school for extended time (a grad year, red shirt year, Covid makeup year), and NHL rights won't expire until the player is no longer enrolled as an eligible player

Any type of Sanctioned game against paid proffesionals disqualifies players NCAA eligibility .... Summer leagues in some cities that NCAA players play with with pro's and those are ok.

there is / was some rule where if a player played in CHL or Major Junior ( those are considered Pro leagues because players are paid and are on NHL signed contracts ) he could sit out day for day and when that sitting out time has been completed he would be NCAA eligible but would lose the year he played towards his 4 years of NCAA

 

[Peat]

Despite growing up in New Jersey, Farinacci was a Penguins fan because of Crosby. Pens might be an enticing landing spot since they don't have a ton of AHL players in his age range, so in theory he'd have less competition for an NHL spot. Boston and Florida would make sense as well.

If I were O'Brien's agent, I'd probably check with PIT/BOS/FLO too, plus somebody like Tampa and San Jose. Basically teams who forked over a lot of draft picks from 2017-2021. But I don't think he's going to be sniffing at an NHL spot this season.

O'Brien was due to be coming to Pens development camp but didn't. Reason was never shown but one guess is Hextall invited him, Dubas uninvited him.

The one player the Pens have been linked with is Mastrosimone.

 

[McGarnagle]

What's Farinacci's ceiling? 2nd line C on a decent team?

Bruins really should be in on him but I'd have to imagine that he's going to want NHL playing time guarantees from whichever team he signs with and I don't know if they can do that.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Could be worst. The Oilers missed on Yakupov 1st OA and Puljujarvi 3rd OA. They Oilers are pretty good right now but imagine if they hit on those picks.

Yeah, thing is some of these situations nothing different would have occurred. Not counting trade down scenarios, the first "good" player in the Yakupov draft was Rielly at 5 and he was never going 1st overall (unless you are Brian Burke who famously said they had Rielly ranked number one in that draft haha). Sometimes everyone is wrong.

 

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[Brodeur]

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From the CBA:

College Players. (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

So I assume you could bug the player at midnight on August 16th. Here's a (probably incomplete) list of players who went the August 15th route and what day they signed:

2006: RD Nate Guenin (NYR=>PHI) - August 16th
2014: C Kevin Hayes (CHI=>NYR) - August 20th
2016: LW Jimmy Vesey (NSH/BUF=>NYR) - August 19th, Thomas Di Pauli (WSH=>PIT) - August 19th
2017: LD Doyle Somerby (NYI=>CLB) - August 23rd, C Alex Kerfoot (NJD=>COL) - August 23rd, LD Will Butcher (COL=>NJD) - August 27th
2019: RD Chase Priskie (WSH=>CAR) - August 16th
2020: C Matt Filipe (CAR=>BOS) - August 17th, LW Cam Morrison (COL=>CHI) - August 18th, LD Ryan Shea (CHI=>DAL) - August 19th
2022: RD Jack St. Ivany (PHI=>PIT) - August 20th

It might take a few days, especially if a player wants to have an in person visit and get a free meal or two.

 

[cwede]

From the CBA: ...
So I assume you could bag the player at midnight on August 16th. ...
Here's a (probably incomplete) list of players who went the August 15th route...
2017: ... C Alex Kerfoot (NJD=>COL) - August 23rd, LD Will Butcher (COL=>NJD) - August 27th

this was my favorite 'Aug 15' outcome

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

From the CBA:



So I assume you could bug the player at midnight on August 16th. Here's a (probably incomplete) list of players who went the August 15th route and what day they signed:

2006: RD Nate Guenin (NYR=>PHI) - August 16th
2014: C Kevin Hayes (CHI=>NYR) - August 20th
2016: LW Jimmy Vesey (NSH/BUF=>NYR) - August 19th, Thomas Di Pauli (WSH=>PIT) - August 19th
2017: LD Doyle Somerby (NYI=>CLB) - August 23rd, C Alex Kerfoot (NJD=>COL) - August 23rd, LD Will Butcher (COL=>NJD) - August 27th
2019: RD Chase Priskie (WSH=>CAR) - August 16th
2020: C Matt Filipe (CAR=>BOS) - August 17th, LW Cam Morrison (COL=>CHI) - August 18th, LD Ryan Shea (CHI=>DAL) - August 19th
2022: RD Jack St. Ivany (PHI=>PIT) - August 20th

It might take a few days, especially if a player wants to have an in person visit and get a free meal or two.

I have not verified if I was beaten to it, but
2008: Blake Wheeler (ARI => BOS) July 1st.

 

[Brodeur]

I have not verified if I was beaten to it, but
2008: Blake Wheeler (ARI => BOS) July 1st.

Yup, there's a separate bucket for the guys who leave before graduating.

(ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of: (a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student; provided that if the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player: (1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility, or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to 19 ARTICLE 8 8.6-8.6 graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights.

Blake Wheeler (2004 pick, left after junior year) - signed July 1, 2008 by Boston
Justin Schultz (2008 pick, left after junior year) - signed June 30, 2012 by Edmonton
Cal Petersen (2013 pick, left after junior year) - signed July 1, 2017 by Los Angeles

Irish goalie Petersen leaving school for NHL

Notre Dame goalie Cal Petersen, a finalist for the Mike Richter Award, will forgo his final year of college eligibility with the intention of signing an NHL contract, the school announced Wednesday.

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Touted goalie prospect Cal Petersen commits to Kings - LA Kings Insider

It appears as though the Kings will be landing a highly touted goaltending prospect through free agency. LA Kings Insider has learned that goaltender Cal Petersen, who announced in May that he would forego his senior season at Notre Dame to turn pro, has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles...

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One article mentioned that Petersen had met/agreed to terms with the Kings before July 1, but they waited until the new league year to make it official? Or maybe they had to wait out the 30 day exclusive signing period?

I seem to recall Wheeler making the rounds in advance of officially signing as well.

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Under terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, any player who does not remain a college player through the graduation of his applicable class (in this case 2009), must submit a letter stating his intention to turn professional. Upon submission of that letter, the drafting club shall have 30 days to sign the player. If the player and team cannot reach an agreement within that 30 day period, the player becomes a free agent. Wheeler submitted his letter of intention to turn professional on May 8.

 

[Brodeur]

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[mouser]

Yup, there's a separate bucket for the guys who leave before graduating.



Blake Wheeler (2004 pick, left after junior year) - signed July 1, 2008 by Boston
Justin Schultz (2008 pick, left after junior year) - signed June 30, 2012 by Edmonton
Cal Petersen (2013 pick, left after junior year) - signed July 1, 2017 by Los Angeles

Irish goalie Petersen leaving school for NHL

Notre Dame goalie Cal Petersen, a finalist for the Mike Richter Award, will forgo his final year of college eligibility with the intention of signing an NHL contract, the school announced Wednesday.

www.espn.com

Touted goalie prospect Cal Petersen commits to Kings - LA Kings Insider

It appears as though the Kings will be landing a highly touted goaltending prospect through free agency. LA Kings Insider has learned that goaltender Cal Petersen, who announced in May that he would forego his senior season at Notre Dame to turn pro, has agreed to sign with the Los Angeles...

lakingsinsider.com

One article mentioned that Petersen had met/agreed to terms with the Kings before July 1, but they waited until the new league year to make it official? Or maybe they had to wait out the 30 day exclusive signing period?

I seem to recall Wheeler making the rounds in advance of officially signing as well.

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All of these players became UFAs on June 1st, but were not eligible to sign a contract until the next League Year started on July 1st. Hence they had the entire month of June to talk to teams.

Schultz didn't actually sign on June 30th. He agreed on June 30th to sign with Edmonton on the following day.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Get me O'Brien, Wise and Farinacci to Rangers please

 

[Brodeur]

And a token reminder that the ELC length isn't negotiable for (North American trained) players under 25. [Edit: AHL only deal also possible, ELC length wouldn't apply]

22-23 years old: 2 years
24 years old: 1 year
25+: not required to sign ELC

 

[Mrfenn92]

I think the Blackhawks sign Robert mastrimone and jay O’Brien

 

[The Crypto Guy]

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