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Nazem Kadri - Part 3

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Will JVR-Kadri-Kessel be our top-line eventually, or does Kadri top out as a second line guy?

I wouldn't mind Carlyle using that as our top PP unit for this season to let them get some chemistry. Of course all Carlyle cares about is winning games.
 
Tony Clifton Leaf said:
Will JVR-Kadri-Kessel be our top-line eventually, or does Kadri top out as a second line guy?

I wouldn't mind Carlyle using that as our top PP unit for this season to let them get some chemistry. Of course all Carlyle cares about is winning games.
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I don't see Kadri ever playing with them. It's possible for Kadri to be a #1 without centring JVR and Kessel.

Not many lines have three skill guys on them, you need a utility guy to grind in the corners and watch the defensive side of the puck (Kulemin, Bozak).

I'd argue that the team as a whole would score less goals with those three as the top unit.

Mindrust said:
We don't know if that's true or not, we can only speculate. The way I see it, sure it didn't make sense to trade a C with #1 potential, but ONLY if the return was weak. If you got a proven #1 out of it, then it would've made sense.
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Very true, there's not many C's on the market that are a significant upgrade over Kadri's high end potential though. I'd rather stick with him and see what he develops into then chase down a deal where we'd have to add an asset for a player who Kadri could become better than down the line.

The Getzlaf, Kopitars etc. aren't being traded for a package with Kadri being the most significant piece.
 
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Glenn Healy said:
I would say the reason why Riberio and Kadri are not 1Cs is because they aren't 2 way centers. I want my 1C to be that

Both Riberio and Kadri are not up to par defensively and both have struggled on the faceoff dot (which is huge). Kadri is not someone I want on the ice when protecting a lead with one minute left in the game
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Funny thing every time Kadri was rewarded with that late game assignment he was excellent in doing so... It's your fault that you look at Kadri's defensive game like he's Kessel in that area of the game. He is a 2 way player... faceoffs is a work in progress
 
Tony Clifton Leaf said:
Will JVR-Kadri-Kessel be our top-line eventually, or does Kadri top out as a second line guy?

I wouldn't mind Carlyle using that as our top PP unit for this season to let them get some chemistry. Of course all Carlyle cares about is winning games.
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I think he's a top tier second line center when he's on his game. I'd much prefer building the top six around Kessel and Kadri separately. Having both going at the same time separates the Leafs from the pack.
 
iPunch said:
I think he's a top tier second line center when he's on his game. I'd much prefer building the top six around Kessel and Kadri separately. Having both going at the same time separates the Leafs from the pack.
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Agree with this
 
You guys realize that kadri has been a top 15 scoring center over the last two years, at age 22 & 23, right?

How is that a 2nd line center?
 
Tony Clifton Leaf said:
Will JVR-Kadri-Kessel be our top-line eventually, or does Kadri top out as a second line guy?

I wouldn't mind Carlyle using that as our top PP unit for this season to let them get some chemistry. Of course all Carlyle cares about is winning games.
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With the way the first line is able to produce, why try to stack the first line when you could use Kadri as the main cog to build another great scoring line out of?

Winning games is what he's paid to do. I don't think Kadri's role as a 2C is hindering his development. He's still getting PP time as well. Your top PP unit is the one that gives you the better odds of scoring with the man advantage. With Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf and Franson on the ice, Bozak gives that line the better chance of possession off the draw than any other centre in our line up (while still being able to keep up with the play).
 
LeafOfBread said:
With the 3 pt night against the Panthers, he's playing at a 60 pt pace now :naughty:
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If this is an inconsistent kadri,
Than ladies and gentlemen, we have a darn good player on our hands.
Silly haters. Wanting to trade him.
 
So lets compare Nazem Kadri and the player which this board is/was soo in love over, Brayden Schenn



Nazem kadri
GP 151
Goals 40
Assists 61
Points 101
PPG: 0.67
GPG: 0.26
APG: 0.40 (rounding issue)



Brayden schenn
GP 165
Goals 34
Assists 43
Points 77
PPG: 0.47
GPG: 0.21
APG: 0.26



In conclusion.
Kadri has 6 more goals, Astonishing 18 more assists, and amazing 24 more points than B.Schenn in 14 less games played
 
I honestly can't see Kadri not passing the 80 point mark per season in a couple years.
On pace for ~60 points this season during a sophomore season? Sky is the limit for Kadri. And it's not like he's your prototypical offence-only C like a Ribeiro.. His hitting and physicality has been on the increase this season.
 
Phion Keneuf said:
I honestly can't see Kadri not passing the 80 point mark per season in a couple years.
On pace for ~60 points this season during a sophomore season? Sky is the limit for Kadri. And it's not like he's your prototypical offence-only C like a Ribeiro.. His hitting and physicality has been on the increase this season.
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He isnt throwing those huge hits as much now but its coming back
 
I could see him develop into a +30 goal scorer consistently. His release is extremely underrated and if he his linemates can consistently create space, he can finish in so many ways. As I said before, he's looking a lot like our Tyler Seguin with more physicality.
 
I don't think there is a better comparable then Claude Giroux. I think when people here Giroux they still think of the 90 + point season he had but for the most part it seems like he will average out to be a 75 point undersized playmaker... pretty much exactly what I think Kadri will be but with more of an edge. Both 5'11-6ft playmakers, both make their line mates better... both can also put the puck in the net.There games are literally the exact same and their career numbers after 150 games are almost the exact same. Giroux is a franchise center maybe not a strong big guy like a Tavares, getzlaf, kopitar type but still very good and talented enough to get the job done. Kadri can make those jaw dropping plays out of nothing the same way Giroux can... and with Kadri's talent, confidence, motivation and edge to his game he simply is to good to not succeed. I've been a die hard fan for 20+ years but if Toronto gives up on Kadri then I may be done with this team... though I don't think Nonis is that stupid.
 
I absolutely think that Kadri is going to be a borderline #1 centerman in the league.

I think he will put up 60-80 points, be a decent pest, and be somewhat physical. A #1 on most teams, but ideally behind a large physical centerman ala eric staal or getzlaf.

I love kadri, I would love having him as our #1 centerman for years to come, but he is not a generational talent that is for sure.
 
HappyGilmourr said:
I don't think there is a better comparable then Claude Giroux. I think when people here Giroux they still think of the 90 + point season he had but for the most part it seems like he will average out to be a 75 point undersized playmaker... pretty much exactly what I think Kadri will be but with more of an edge. Both 5'11-6ft playmakers, both make their line mates better... both can also put the puck in the net.There games are literally the exact same and their career numbers after 150 games are almost the exact same. Giroux is a franchise center maybe not a strong big guy like a Tavares, getzlaf, kopitar type but still very good and talented enough to get the job done. Kadri can make those jaw dropping plays out of nothing the same way Giroux can... and with Kadri's talent, confidence, motivation and edge to his game he simply is to good to not succeed. I've been a die hard fan for 20+ years but if Toronto gives up on Kadri then I may be done with this team... though I don't think Nonis is that stupid.
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The only way that Kadri moves is if we are getting a bonifide #1 defenseman/centerman in the deal. Thank god!
 
Another good game for Mr Kadri, keeping it simple.

Was concerned after that defensive gaff on Bjugstad's goal, but he redeemed himself after. Doing ok in the faceoff dept again, but those Offensive Zone FO's have to get better; he's just not good enough against the other team's defensive centres in the O Zone. Once he gets better at that, the puck possession will continue to come and secondary scoring will not be a question.

Hoping he's finally turned the corner.

Kulemin has been an absolute catalyst, and his workhorse, defense first play is exactly what's needed for a couple of guys like Lupul and Kadri. Coach has to get a little credit there.

Sadly, I think Nonis really digs Mason Raymond; I'd hate to see Kulemin sacrificed to re sign Raymond.
 
mikebel111 said:
So lets compare Nazem Kadri and the player which this board is/was soo in love over, Brayden Schenn



Nazem kadri
GP 151
Goals 40
Assists 61
Points 101
PPG: 0.67
GPG: 0.26
APG: 0.40 (rounding issue)



Brayden schenn
GP 165
Goals 34
Assists 43
Points 77
PPG: 0.47
GPG: 0.21
APG: 0.26



In conclusion.
Kadri has 6 more goals, Astonishing 18 more assists, and amazing 24 more points than B.Schenn in 14 less games played
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Good post. Let's not forget many, many of Kadri's games much like last night he only got 12 minutes a night. Yet in the long run he puts up numbers better than players getting 20+ minutes a game.

Also remember he was the number 1 player in the entire league drawing penalties last season and seems to be continuing it this year (at least on our club).
 
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I remember people mocking me on the main board when I said the Leafs had three young forwards (Kessel, JVR Kadri) who could regularly finish top 30 in scoring and three who would probably flirt with PPG scoring during their careers (which I elaborated to say 70 + point potential).
 
zeke said:
You guys realize that kadri has been a top 15 scoring center over the last two years, at age 22 & 23, right?

How is that a 2nd line center?
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That 10 game stint he had in the top line has abolished his chances of ever being a #1C on the leafs :sarcasm:. I'm trying to be sarcastic but its probably true :help:
 
Faltorvo said:
He was picked 7th overall,

lol,

what ya all think is left sitting on the table after the 6 top rated kids have been claimed, a bona fide superstar?

He is turning into a player that should be considered a great pick at 7.
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The last 10 drafts produced pretty nicely in the seven slot. There was Kadri,skinner,nurse,dumba,suter,voracek,okposo,scheifele.(olesz and colin Wilson). You do ok at the seven slot.
 
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