Nazem Kadri - Part 3

[Joey Hoser]

Good to see him get rewarded for making simple effective plays.

 

[JackJ]

I don't mean to say otodaso but I was preaching for a very long time to get Raymond off of Kadri's line because he was killing his offense with his annoying puck-hog play-style, everyone told me "hurr durr were paying him 1M he's the least of our problems" despite that statement having nothing to do with their on-ice chemistry (incredibly annoying logical fallacy). Now that Mason "lives in a tunnel" Raymond is off of his line is offense has come back to life..

I don't mean to say otodaso BUT I ****IN ATODOSO!!!!

His puck-hog style is perfect for the third line. Add in Holland & Clarkson

 

[Duffman955]

Such a player.

Tantalizing with the puck.

 

[Kagunoshi]

What a player excellent game. I expect Kadri, JVR and Rielly to explode next year offensively.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

61% on the draw. 3 assists in just over 12 minutes. Nice.

 

[StringsAttached]

Nathan isn't going anywhere. He is the future.

 

[Durrr]

I doubt it. Leafs needed an upgrade at center badly. But, not anymore. Plus, I doubt a bunch of NHL analysts would risk their credibility to play along with a hoax.

Directly from Nonis's mouth;

-Will not trade youth for vets.
-IF Kadri is traded, a center has to come back

Directly from sportsnet "insiders" tonight;

-Would want a defensemen like Giordano (Doug Mac)
- Kadri doesn't fit in to a team looking for veteran presence, leafs could shop.

I don't know about you but it seems like these "analysts" are just as bad as any other Toronto media. They're blatantly reporting news that has been wrong since the beginning. I can't think of one "insider" who I'd actually conciser a legit analyst besides LeBrun.

 

[Mindrust]

I'd agree with that, trading Kadri just doesn't make sense. Didn't seem like a Dave Nonis move to be "desperately" trying to get rid of a young C with #1 potential. (Our only one for that matter)

I know anyone's touchable if it makes the team better but C depth is the Leafs biggest weakness and I don't see anytime wanting to trade us an upgrade over Kadri.

It'll be quite nice to watch a Leaf's first rounder develop on our roster for once.

It's not really a hoax for the analysts though, they were simply relaying what Nonis was saying, they're not exactly liable for what a GM says as it could/could not be true. Nonis is the one who flat out said that he would trade Kadri if a good offer was made but wasn't 'actively' looking to trade him, which is a strange statement for a GM to make as usually they just flat out deny everything completely.

Nonis could've just been the typical GM and said "Kadri is not going anywhere" or whatever.

I just find it really strange how it was so persistent right up until the Montreal game, and literally right after the trade talk completely evaporated.

We don't know if that's true or not, we can only speculate. The way I see it, sure it didn't make sense to trade a C with #1 potential, but ONLY if the return was weak. If you got a proven #1 out of it, then it would've made sense.

On Kadri stepping up lately, while the trade rumours probably had something to do with it, the slump had to end some time. He usually elevates his game against the Habs, so maybe a dose of the Habs was just the right catalyst to get him going. (and then playing with Kulemin on his line again helped a bit, too)

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

The trade rumours are starting to get annoying. Everyday, I go to a local sports website and its Kadri trade rumours or its Gardiner trade rumours

I still think we need a 1C and if we could trade Kadri in a package for one, I would do it. However, the likelihood of that happening is small

 

[LeafOfBread]

We don't know if that's true or not, we can only speculate. The way I see it, sure it didn't make sense to trade a C with #1 potential, but ONLY if the return was weak. If you got a proven #1 out of it, then it would've made sense.

On Kadri stepping up lately, while the trade rumours probably had something to do with it, the slump had to end some time. He usually elevates his game against the Habs, so maybe a dose of the Habs was just the right catalyst to get him going. (and then playing with Kulemin on his line again helped a bit, too)

How many #1 centres who are established and not upcoming UFAs are traded away though? Especially for 'potential' players in return. It simply never happens.

 

[I Believe]

On pace for 60 points.

Not bad 2C numbers at all, especially considering how hard the line struggled at the beginning of the year.

 

[Bluejaysfan*]

Did not know he was 61% on the dot in tonights game.

 

[BigWilly]

On pace for 60 points.

Not bad 2C numbers at all, especially considering how hard the line struggled at the beginning of the year.

Historically a 60 point campaign would place you at around the 21st or 22nd highest scoring centre. That's a '1C'. Your definition of a first line center might be different from mine, but I don't see how these are decent second line numbers.

 

[leafsfuture]

Directly from Nonis's mouth;

-Will not trade youth for vets.
-IF Kadri is traded, a center has to come back

Directly from sportsnet "insiders" tonight;

-Would want a defensemen like Giordano (Doug Mac)
- Kadri doesn't fit in to a team looking for veteran presence, leafs could shop.

I don't know about you but it seems like these "analysts" are just as bad as any other Toronto media. They're blatantly reporting news that has been wrong since the beginning. I can't think of one "insider" who I'd actually conciser a legit analyst besides LeBrun.

What Nonis says is completely logical. If we trade Kadri, it has to be for an upgrade at the same position, in a similar age range.

In this league true no 1 center's are more so a premium than no 1 defenceman (in terms of sheer numbers IMO). If you get a chance you have to take it.

Where people need to calm down is the fact that no 1 centers are rarely thrown around. So the possibility of this kind of deal where Kadri + is dealt for a true no 1 is highly, highly unlikely.

The guys who fit the true no 1 Center in similar age bracket (basically prime years):
- Crosby
- Malkin
- Getzlaf
- Tavares
- Seguin
- Toews
- Duchene
- Kopitar
- Backstrom

I didnt include Eric Staal (point production has been inconsistent for a true no 1, and is 30), Joe Thornton (too old), O'Rielly (never will be true no 1), RNH (purely because he is a similar style player).

Two young guys I MIGHT be willing to trade for (in terms of Kadri +) would be Ryan Johansen and Nate Mackinnon. However that would depend on how much those teams would ask in addition for Kadri. I wouldnt add much more for Johansen because he was drafted just 1 year after Naz and isnt proven to be better offensively yet.

For Mackinnon, I would give up a lot, but aside from the fact that the Avs will NEVER trade him so soon, its a risk to trade a guy like Kadri plus more for younger player in Mackinnon, who could top out potentially at 65 - 70 points

Obviously this is all purely hypothetical, buts its meant to show Kadri wont be traded unless some other team loses their mind, Sid and Geno have a fallout, Seguin parties too much in Dallas.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Historically a 60 point campaign would place you at around the 21st or 22nd highest scoring centre. That's a '1C'. Your definition of a first line center might be different from mine, but I don't see how these are decent second line numbers.

Numbers aren't everything

Is Mike Riberio a 1C in anybody's eyes?

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

What Nonis says is completely logical. If we trade Kadri, it has to be for an upgrade at the same position, in a similar age range.

In this league true no 1 center's are more so a premium than no 1 defenceman (in terms of sheer numbers IMO). If you get a chance you have to take it.

Where people need to calm down is the fact that no 1 centers are rarely thrown around. So the possibility of this kind of deal where Kadri + is dealt for a true no 1 is highly, highly unlikely.

The guys who fit the true no 1 Center in similar age bracket (basically prime years):
- Crosby
- Malkin
- Getzlaf
- Tavares
- Seguin
- Toews
- Duchene
- Kopitar
- Backstrom

I didnt include Eric Staal (point production has been inconsistent for a true no 1, and is 30), Joe Thornton (too old), O'Rielly (never will be true no 1), RNH (purely because he is a similar style player).

Two young guys I MIGHT be willing to trade for (in terms of Kadri +) would be Ryan Johansen and Nate Mackinnon. However that would depend on how much those teams would ask in addition for Kadri. I wouldnt add much more for Johansen because he was drafted just 1 year after Naz and isnt proven to be better offensively yet.

For Mackinnon, I would give up a lot, but aside from the fact that the Avs will NEVER trade him so soon, its a risk to trade a guy like Kadri plus more for younger player in Mackinnon, who could top out potentially at 65 - 70 points

Obviously this is all purely hypothetical, buts its meant to show Kadri wont be traded unless some other team loses their mind, Sid and Geno have a fallout, Seguin parties too much in Dallas.

There are almost 20 1C in the league right now IMO

Still difficult to trade for which is why I would hang onto Kadri until an opportunity opens itself where I can trade for a 1C. However, at some point in the near future, that move needs to be made. Whether it is trading Kadri or Bozak or signing a free agent

 

[Durrr]

Numbers aren't everything

Is Mike Riberio a 1C in anybody's eyes?

Production wise yes, and I'd argue that if he was on team with a larger fan base when he was putting up those points he would be considered a #1 C.

Regardless, the real reason he isn't considered a higher level center is his compete level, and you already know Kadri can raise that compete level.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

Numbers aren't everything

Is Mike Riberio a 1C in anybody's eyes?

No but a guy like Ribeiro lets you get away with having a low-scoring Hanzal as your top center. They basically split the duties of the ideal number one center. Kadri/Bozak, then Kadri/Gauthier down the line could be our version of that.

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

Production wise yes, and I'd argue that if he was on team with a larger fan base when he was putting up those points he would be considered a #1 C.

Regardless, the real reason he isn't considered a higher level center is his compete level, and you already know Kadri can raise that compete level.

I would say the reason why Riberio and Kadri are not 1Cs is because they aren't 2 way centers. I want my 1C to be that

Both Riberio and Kadri are not up to par defensively and both have struggled on the faceoff dot (which is huge). Kadri is not someone I want on the ice when protecting a lead with one minute left in the game

 

[pooleboy]

What Nonis says is completely logical. If we trade Kadri, it has to be for an upgrade at the same position, in a similar age range.

In this league true no 1 center's are more so a premium than no 1 defenceman (in terms of sheer numbers IMO). If you get a chance you have to take it.

Where people need to calm down is the fact that no 1 centers are rarely thrown around. So the possibility of this kind of deal where Kadri + is dealt for a true no 1 is highly, highly unlikely.

The guys who fit the true no 1 Center in similar age bracket (basically prime years):
- Crosby
- Malkin
- Getzlaf
- Tavares
- Seguin
- Toews
- Duchene
- Kopitar
- Backstrom

I didnt include Eric Staal (point production has been inconsistent for a true no 1, and is 30), Joe Thornton (too old), O'Rielly (never will be true no 1), RNH (purely because he is a similar style player).

Two young guys I MIGHT be willing to trade for (in terms of Kadri +) would be Ryan Johansen and Nate Mackinnon. However that would depend on how much those teams would ask in addition for Kadri. I wouldnt add much more for Johansen because he was drafted just 1 year after Naz and isnt proven to be better offensively yet.

For Mackinnon, I would give up a lot, but aside from the fact that the Avs will NEVER trade him so soon, its a risk to trade a guy like Kadri plus more for younger player in Mackinnon, who could top out potentially at 65 - 70 points

Obviously this is all purely hypothetical, buts its meant to show Kadri wont be traded unless some other team loses their mind, Sid and Geno have a fallout, Seguin parties too much in Dallas.

I wouldn't suggest Jvr in any proposals but Kadri + Jvr for mackinnon would be worth it IMO, will never happen because mackinnon is unreal but handful fb guys I'd be willing to trade for Jvr and Kadri, however both, mackinnon is that special but won't happen

 

[BigWilly]

Numbers aren't everything

Is Mike Riberio a 1C in anybody's eyes?

The post I quoted was referencing his stats (meaning goals, assists and points).

I guess you missed it?

 

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

No but a guy like Ribeiro lets you get away with having a low-scoring Hanzal as your top center. They basically split the duties of the ideal number one center. Kadri/Bozak, then Kadri/Gauthier down the line could be our version of that.

Which is fine. However, if I am running a team, I want my center to be a solid 2 way center or in the rare case, a combination of elite offence and a bit weaker defense or elite defense and a bit weaker offence. The only player that fits the latter category is Patrice Bergeron

 

[Future]

This site is hilarious. Kadri who is having a meh year has 38 points. Ryan Johansson has 40. They are also about the same age. But on the mainboards RJ is a potential franchise centre and Kadri is not even close to being worth Ryan O'Reilly. Not to mention Kadri as a 22 year old put up a PPG season.

Nothing against RJ and I know there is more to the game than points, but I just find it hilarious how differently these players are viewed in the eyes of the league.

 

[leafsfuture]

There are almost 20 1C in the league right now IMO

Still difficult to trade for which is why I would hang onto Kadri until an opportunity opens itself where I can trade for a 1C. However, at some point in the near future, that move needs to be made. Whether it is trading Kadri or Bozak or signing a free agent

Even if there are 20 1C's a lot of them simply CANNOT come at the cost of Kadri +. For example Joe Thornton. Great player, but how many years as a 1C does he have left? Same for Henrik Sedin

Also, some 1C's RIGHT NOW may not have the consistency to be worth what Kadri becomes. For example here, is David Krecji a better player than kadri? Absolutely, and he is a borderline 1C, with abilities to take over games. Issue with Krecji is that even he has only hit 70 points once (partly due to his team, but he has had some seasons where he only hits 60, and IMO we would need more from our 1C).

Basically if you trade Kadri it has to be for a guy who has proven to be a legit no 1 C for the past couple of years but still has 5+ years of similar production.

This site is hilarious. Kadri who is having a meh year has 38 points. Ryan Johansson has 40. They are also about the same age. But on the mainboards RJ is a potential franchise centre and Kadri is not even close to being worth Ryan O'Reilly. Not to mention Kadri as a 22 year old put up a PPG season.

Nothing against RJ and I know there is more to the game than points, but I just find it hilarious how differently these players are viewed in the eyes of the league.

I would trade Kadri for Johansen. And I love Kadri. Merely because Johansen has the size and strength in addition to the skating ability. He is like a mini Getzlaf IMO. I dont know if I would be willing to add extra in addition to Naz though.

And your right, I dont do Kadri for ROR. ROR isnt a no 1 centre

I wouldn't suggest Jvr in any proposals but Kadri + Jvr for mackinnon would be worth it IMO, will never happen because mackinnon is unreal but handful fb guys I'd be willing to trade for Jvr and Kadri, however both, mackinnon is that special but won't happen

I dont do that trade right now if I am offered.

Mackinnon PROBABLY at his peak is worth more than JVR or Kadri.

HOWEVER, right now Kadri + JVR is worth more, they are both safer bets than Nate. Nate as I said could top out at 65 - 70 points if his offensive awareness doesnt continue to improve (I imagine it does, but its possible it doesnt). Meanwhile, Kadri right now is a 60 point guy (if you take last 2 seasons), as is JVR. Both have multiple years of experience and are also still improving

 

[diceman934]

Kadri is a boss again tonight....had a great game all over the ice. First star...lets trade him.