Kadri helps winning by scoring, not being Shea Weber lol. I mean you're actually making things up and projecting them onto me, it's hilarious.
Nazem Kadri - Part 3
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Kadri helps winning by scoring, not being Shea Weber lol. I mean you're actually making things up and projecting them onto me, it's hilarious.
Mess
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If you're saying the Leafs were better when Kadri was playing sheltered minutes on the 3rd line, then when he is playing unsheltered minutes in the top 6.
He was better offensively and better defensively last year compared to this year.
If one wanted what was best for the team and the player wouldn't moving him back and down the line-up be the best course of action?
You said Leafs were better when Kadri was better. This is true. The Leafs played better hockey last season when Kadri was playing better hockey. Ulf seems to be fabricating some kind of opposite thinking and trying to put it into my posts.
ULF_55
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http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014...hi-olympics-mens-hockey-gold-medal-game-live/
So are you saying Kadri is better than those Golden boys?
Mess
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You seem to be saying Player before Team and Ulf seems to be saying Team before Player.
Team USA was Player before Team and Team Canada was Team before player.
Are you focused on Kadri's points or the Leafs points ?
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The Winter Soldier
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Mike Richards going to LA and sacrificing individual points is a good example for Kadri and his fans.
Winning trumps individual accomplishments.
ULF_55
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I can see his position if he believes the Leafs are not going to be a contender.
When your team is slated for failure you can gravitate towards personal, perhaps selfish goals.
Don't get the Kadri selfish talk on here at all, he needs to be producing for the Leafs to be successful, and be solid defensively (where I think he has been fine) Since he has joined the team on a full time basis I'd say they have been pretty successful compared to the previous years teams
When Kadri is putting up points, the Leafs are a better team. When they're a better team, they win more. I dont care what his point totals are lol, Ulf literally made that up.
Why is this difficult for you both to grasp lol.
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The team has been far better since kadri became the fulltime 2nd line center last year than it has been in near a decade.
Its amazing the BS that is being spun about this kid.
Of course, its the exact same BS that was spun about kessel at the same age, when he was scoring the same as kadri.
Leaf fans are the worst.
Its amazing the BS that is being spun about this kid.
Of course, its the exact same BS that was spun about kessel at the same age, when he was scoring the same as kadri.
Leaf fans are the worst.
Hey interactif. If kadri is not good on D, than why did RC say he is good on D?
Ofcourse a SC winning coach is making things up!
IDK how many times i have asked this question and even presented proof yet people continue to ignore it.
Kadri has been playing great for some time now on both ends.
Ofcourse a SC winning coach is making things up!
IDK how many times i have asked this question and even presented proof yet people continue to ignore it.
Kadri has been playing great for some time now on both ends.
Mess
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Lupul and Kadri comprise 2/3rds of Leafs 2nd line, created to generate offense.
However Lupul -10 +/- and Kadri -9 +/- are the #1 and #2 worst forwards on the team at ES as they give up more goals against then they score.
This does not put their team in a position to win, despite how many points they produce.
Last year Kadri put up more points in less games and was a +15 which was #1 best forward on the team +/- at ES.
Kadri went from being the best defensively to one of the worst and what has changed?
I suggest now that he is playing in the top 6 regularly he believes scoring is more important then defending. Team Canada taught the entire World the opposite is true!!
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Oddly reminds me of what people often said about Kessel, he's selfish, not a team player, etc. and those people were easily proven wrong over time. I guess we see the new whipping boy for being selfish is the best prospect that we've developed since Kaberle, Kadri.
Kadri is fine. Last year he played so well that everyone blew their load a little early. I saved my load, and I'll be saving it for a couple more years. He'll get even better if leaf fans can be patient enough.
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The thing I hate about your argument, is first of all we are looking at a 6 game sample of the best team ever.
And even still they almost lost in the quarter finals because they couldn't finish anything. What if Latvia won? What if the USA got a lucky goal in the semi-finals?
The entire discussion about how offense doesn't matter turns into we lost because no one could score. No one should be using team Canada as an example of how to win in the NHL cause #1, a sample of 6 games is far too small to prove anything a bad bounce changes the entire outcome , #2 that is arguably the best defensive core ever set up.
LeafOfBread
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It's incredible how you twist and twist over again. I'd hate to see your shoes, I'm sure the laces have a thousand knots in them by now.
Jimmy Firecracker
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Lest we forget that Team Canada was a bad bounce away from being out in the Quarters. This whole conversation could be different had the States gone on to trounce Larvia in the Semis and gone to win Gold.
But forgetting all of that in a world of could'ves and would'ves, I do value good defensive play, and Canada was far and away the best team in the tournament.
Back to Kadri, it's no coincidence that the best stretch of Leafs hockey was when our best offensive players were hot. Pointing to Kadri's +/- isn't very fair as this season also serves as a transition period for him, moving from sheltered 3rd line minutes to top 6 minutes against tougher match ups. It doesn't help that Lupul's looked less than stellar and it's been a rotation of guys on his right. He's been a +4 since the start of our 6 game win streak and hot run.
Kadri will improve on the defensive side of things. Patience will once again be needed for him. Patience has paid off with him before, it will again.
The Winter Soldier
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Carlyle has always said, Kadri is a young player, and with young players they need to learn. If you can provide the quote you are referring to, then maybe I can give some context to it. But it is clear Kadri is the weakest defensive Center on the team, behind Mcclement, Bozak, and Bolland. Any suggestion he is better is ludicrous.
Mess
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Kadri is young and impressionable and still learning.
He is also Canadian so he was likely watching his own Nation very closely in the Olympics. Seeing how essential play away from the puck is as important as play with it in a winning system. Strong backchecking is as important as strong forechecking.
Even when you have possession that controlling the puck and the clock in the offensive zone is playing defense also. Your opponent can't score when you control the play 200ft from your own net. So not tossing it blindly into traffic and causing turnovers and giveaways while trapping teammates will only lead to opponent scoring chances not your own. The best offense is a strong defense.
If Kadri doesn't trust his own eyesight and judgement, he can always turn to his teammates who where fortunate to participate first hand and ask to see & hold their medals, and ask them what they did that brought them success.
The Winter Soldier
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Kadri is young and impressionable and still learning.
He is also Canadian so he was likely watching his own Nation very closely in the Olympics. Seeing how essential play away from the puck is as important as play with it in a winning system. Strong backchecking is as important as strong forechecking.
Even when you have possession that controlling the puck and the clock in the offensive zone is playing defense also. Your opponent can't score when you control the play 200ft from your own net. So not tossing it blindly into traffic and causing turnovers and giveaways while trapping teammates will only lead to opponent scoring chances not your own. The best offense is a strong defense.
If Kadri doesn't trust his own eyesight and judgement, he can always turn to his teammates who where fortunate to participate first hand and ask to see & hold their medals, and ask them what they did that brought them success.
Nazem is a Canadian through and through that has participated for Team Canada on the world stage, he probably watched 2 guys from his draft class in Duchene and Tavares, commit to team goals forsaking individual goals for the betterment for the team. We as Leafs fans hope Kadri keeps learning, if he can he will be a better player for the team.
commit to team goals forsaking individual goals for the betterment of the team
what a load of crap. Honestly, what are you even saying? What is it you want Kadri to do? If he became a defensive stalwart overnight at the expense of his offense, he'd get torn a new one and people JUST LIKE YOU and Ulf and Mess would be clamouring that he needs to be better offensively, 50 points isn't enough, needs to get back to being a creative player, etc. It's hilarious. You three watched the Olympics and now it's like you're actually expecting that standard of play to be imposed on the Leafs now and that they need to play that style to win.
News flash, that was on big ice in a best-on-best tournament. It's wildly, vastly different from NHL play. You'll see the leafs buckle down in the playoffs and probably even down the stretch a bit, but the way you guys talk you'd rather have a bunch of 35-40 point defensive players who can barely scrape together 2 goals a game. Like reeeeeelax.
The Winter Soldier
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I don't care for the Edmonton blueprint of one way skilled players that are only interested in individual points that look good on paper. Team goals are more important to me, I would happily see lower points totals if this meant we kept the puck out of the net, and in turn win more games, rather than pile on points and lose 7-6 games. This isn't the Oilers dynasty era. Different strokes for different folks.
