The Blue Devil
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Why would you remove games played? That's the most ridiculous argument that can be made on here. Maybe we should remove Bozak's 4 point game as well?
Nazem Kadri - Part 3
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Why would you remove games played? That's the most ridiculous argument that can be made on here. Maybe we should remove Bozak's 4 point game as well?
The Winter Soldier
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Because Our number #1 line has proven that it can play against the tough NHL teams without Kadri?
9 points against Boston, 8 points against Ottawa, 6 points against Colordo, 5 points against the Pens, 4 points against TB as well as bad teams like Carolina with 6 points.
Dude we agree with u that bozak fights with our first line better, everyone is also saying that Kadri is a better player. Both are true
The Winter Soldier
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The topic is about Kadri, let's keep it on track. Kadri is the better offensively talented player on our team, he is not however, the best Center on the team. He may not be the 2nd best center on the team if Bolland was healthy all year.
Being good at one thing, does not make one the best of anything.
People are jumping my throat and acting like i am questioning their mental character. I was judging their play. The effort wasnt there. Not because of their character, play just wasnt good what so ever.
Point out where i said kadri is our number 1 C. I would like to know.
I am probably one of the patient posters around here. Whether that is players or prospects.
I think the truth is clear at this point.
Bozak is a better complimentary player for Kessel than Kadri is. The line works better with Bozak there.
With that being said, the majority of other combinations will be better with Kadri as a centerman.
Kadri can carry a line, and raise the level of players around him. However, when he plays with a guy like Kessel, who is a better player, his skills aren't as complimentary. They clash with each other.
Bozak is a complimentary player. Solid. But he will never be the main piece of a line. Kadri has the ability to be that type of player.
Bozak is a better complimentary player for Kessel than Kadri is. The line works better with Bozak there.
With that being said, the majority of other combinations will be better with Kadri as a centerman.
Kadri can carry a line, and raise the level of players around him. However, when he plays with a guy like Kessel, who is a better player, his skills aren't as complimentary. They clash with each other.
Bozak is a complimentary player. Solid. But he will never be the main piece of a line. Kadri has the ability to be that type of player.
I should hope that the player who has had 3 seasons with Kessel would be able to play a style that meshes with his line...
I disagree though, in my opinion Kadri and Kessel looked just as dangerous as JVR and Kessel normally do despite Bozak. I don't think it matters if Kadri plays with Kessel, but I do think it's dumb to write off a player from a 10 game sample when our other 2 top 9 C's were out.
Yikes lol, did you not just say in the same paragraph that he is the better offensive talented player on the team? Does that not make him the best offensive center we have? Since I know you're referring to Bozak as the center who is our best center (lol), all I have to say is that Kadri can learn the aspects of the game that make Bozak so great to you, where as Bozak will never pick up the offensive talent that Kadri has.
Kadri may be evaluated by many on potential, but what's real is that he is probably going to beat Bozak's career high point wise on what many consider to be a slump year, with lesser line mates and pp time. Again, not sure how that doesn't make him our best offensive center, who at the same time is making strides in all other aspects of his game as well. Unless he seriously regressed/ fell off, I don't see how he wont be a much better center then Bozak at a similar age.
Lets keep in mind in Bozak's second season (age 23-24) he scored 32 points in 82 games, and was a -29 (worse team obviously). Pretty good example of how players get better over time considering Bozak could be having a career year right now.
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LeafOfBread
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Kadri actually plays decently with Kessel, and Kessel's point per minute ratios with Kadri are better but it's a small sample size. If anything, I think JVR and Kadri don't mesh.. when Kadri is on that line JVR becomes the odd man out and doesn't get the puck much. His stats are also worse with Kadri on the line. But again, small sample size there too.
I don't disagree with you. My point is that Bozak is better with Kessel right now. I'd rather have Kadri as the “second" line center right now anyway. It spreads out our offense. Nothing wrong with that.
Cart before the horse here, IMO. Bozak has had 3 seasons with Kessel BECAUSE he meshes with Kessel's style.
There have been a number of more talented players come through the lineup who couldnt support Kessel the way Bozak does.
Kadri and Kessel were dangerous during the playoffs against Boston when Bozak was injured. <--That's to counter Interactif's argument about them playing poorly against tough teams. But even still I do agree that it's two games but the sample size is small. But we still had more than 1 scoring line. Bozak and Bolland were both down so most teams focused on the first line. Give him time, he may or may not be our #1 C in the future. But who cares if he's on a line with Kessel or not? As long as the leafs are winning and they are both productive either way, it's all good.
Agreed, much rather roll 2 scoring lines, especially because Kadri has been the better player on his line for awhile now.
Well I'd argue he had 3 seasons with Kessel because the leafs had absolutely no one else to put there without putting all their eggs in one basket. I really don't see any other more talented centers that have come through the organization who are better then Bozak/Grabo/Kadri.
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Honestly, i think jvr-kadri would be great together. They obviously weren't so good with Kessel also on that line, but i think with Kadri doing his thing, jvr doing his thing and a 'bozak' type winger (kulemin?), i think they would be great.
Lupul - bozie - Phil
JVR - Kadri - Kule
Also, the reason Kadri with kessel and jvr didn't work, imo was clearly because of a combination of different reasons; a very short time to adjust, phil and naz having to share the puck(they're both very used to entering the zone with the puck), not being as good defensively as they would be with bozak and Naz not being much of a "rush" player. However, using those 10-15 games as a reason why kadri is not a top centre is idiotic. He has ppg potential while being gritty and strong defensively.
Lupul - bozie - Phil
JVR - Kadri - Kule
Also, the reason Kadri with kessel and jvr didn't work, imo was clearly because of a combination of different reasons; a very short time to adjust, phil and naz having to share the puck(they're both very used to entering the zone with the puck), not being as good defensively as they would be with bozak and Naz not being much of a "rush" player. However, using those 10-15 games as a reason why kadri is not a top centre is idiotic. He has ppg potential while being gritty and strong defensively.
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The Winter Soldier
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You are a young hockey fan Mike, I like your loyalty, I like your passion for the Leafs. You have a lot of potential as a hockey poster.
But I have been around since the 70's. Got some years of experience under my belt. There is more to being a #1C than stick handle in a telephone booth skills. Again, skill is not defined by just one skill, offence. What wins is well rounded players, players that can play all facets of the game.
The Game has evolved, this isn't the 80's of fire wagon hockey, where the Oilers outscored everyone to their Stanley Cups.
Some of the young hockey fans should take a lesson from how Team Canada played this Olympics. This is the type of hockey and players you need to be effective.
Kadri has a ways to go, he took a big step fwd last year, he is taking steps fwd and backward this year. Given a choice between he and last year's #2C, Kadri is an easy choice. But he is still a work in progress. We do not know what the final outcome he will be as a finished product.
The cautionary tale here, is as I said for Gardiner last summer, to much resistance on this board. We don't know what Gardiner is also. When most disagreed with me rather vociferously, now more agree. Let's give Kadri some time to see what we have before some posters declare he is Toronto's best Center.
U brought up our #1 c before just because I named him doesn't mean I should "stay on topic" lmao. Sorry, Kadri is our best offensive center....
Duke Silver
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Dude he just makes up stuff to make Kadri seem like a non top 6 player and is lobbying for him to he traded, I don't really understand why tbh... Bozak doesn't like too carry the puck/be a catalyst on his line so he works well with kessel, he gets the puck and gives it to kessel, which every center should do that plays with kessel, Kadri likes to make plays, be the offensive star and carry his line. This shouldn't be a reason to trade him or criticize him as u see a lot of teams seperste their best players around for more balanced scoring
To be fair, you could use this as a default response to 85% of the posts on this board.
Duke Silver
Truce?
To be fair, you could use this as a default response to 85% of the posts on this board.
This is above and beyond, though. Embarrassing.
Could you please cut this trash of number 1 C. I am very well aware of a good number 1 C. You need skill. Smarts and need to be reliable. It seems u are describing kadri as a one trick pony. I am sorry to say but that is plain wrong.
He hits. Annoys other team. Elite skill. Improving on draws. Good 2 way game (yes his defensive game is good. U dont have to believe me. But i am going by watching games and on what randy said).
I may be a young fan but i know some things. Like what it takes to be a good number 1 C. Kadri isnt there yet but he is well on his way. He has lots of developing to go. But am happy where he is at.
Give Kadri a linemate who is skilled, strong on his skates and thrives in traffic, and we'll have another legitimate top line. I'd love to see how Kadri would do with someone like Jagr, Ladd, or Vanek. JVR and Kessel don't seem very compatible with Nazem due to their high speed game. Kadri likes to slow things down, and needs a more appropriate linemate.
