Nazem Kadri - Part 3

[mikebel111*]

Some posters are acting like Kadri is an established NHL player and can just step into a 1st line position and perform.

Give him some time and let develop.

Kessel and van Riemsdyk are established players I'm sure they tried to pull Kadri up to their level but it is just premature.

Impatience is showing again.

Tried? By tried do u mean not giving effort when kadri was there?
Not sure how you can say that. The lack of effort by his wingers was not good

 

[Diatomic]

Tried? By tried do u mean not giving effort when kadri was there?
Not sure how you can say that. The lack of effort by his wingers was not good

Kessel was decent during the stint but was just shooting garbage from the perimeter most of the time, JVR was horrible though. Probably the worst I've seen him as a leaf, was a floater every game.

 

[mikebel111*]

Kessel was decent during the stint but was just shooting garbage from the perimeter most of the time, JVR was horrible though. Probably the worst I've seen him as a leaf, was a floater every game.

Agreed

 

[ULF_55]

Tried? By tried do u mean not giving effort when kadri was there?
Not sure how you can say that. The lack of effort by his wingers was not good

So are you suggesting Kessel and van Riemsdyk have no use for Kadri?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Tried? By tried do u mean not giving effort when kadri was there?
Not sure how you can say that. The lack of effort by his wingers was not good

Are you suggesting 2 of our best players for the last 2 seasons intentionally dogged it when Kadri became their center? I hope you re-examine what you are saying.

That's quite insulting on Kessel and JVR's character.

 

[mikebel111*]

So are you suggesting Kessel and van Riemsdyk have no use for Kadri?

This is what i am talking about.. Posters not reading. Or dont want to.
I am speaking of effort by his wingers or lack there of.
Are u suggesting his wingers were playing well, its just that kadri was terrible?
I know thats not what u implied but if people dont read my posts than i will act like that i didnt either.

 

[ULF_55]

This is what i am talking about.. Posters not reading. Or dont want to.
I am speaking of effort by his wingers or lack there of.
Are u suggesting his wingers were playing well, its just that kadri was terrible?
I know thats not what u implied but if people dont read my posts than i will act like that i didnt either.

You can't have it both ways you are saying his wingers tanked it.

Why would they tank it?

 

[mikebel111*]

Are you suggesting 2 of our best players for the last 2 seasons intentionally dogged it when Kadri became their center? I hope you re-examine what you are saying.

That's quite insulting on Kessel and JVR's character.

I am sorry. What???
When did i say that? Their effort was non existent. That is all.
And if we are talking about character which u brought up, not me.
How about that garbage that was said about kadri. U know character issues and all that fun stuff. How come when i called out kessel and JVR on their lack of effort when kadri was their C, that is considered insulting? But when people said nazem has character issues, that is considered right?

BTW. kessel and JVR are 2 of my fav leafs on the team.

 

[mikebel111*]

You can't have it both ways you are saying his wingers tanked it.

Why would they tank it?

Yeah. No i didnt.
READ MY POSTS AGAIN

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Some posters are acting like Kadri is an established NHL player and can just step into a 1st line position and perform.

Give him some time and let develop.

Kessel and van Riemsdyk are established players I'm sure they tried to pull Kadri up to their level but it is just premature.

Impatience is showing again.

Kessel and JVR can play with practically anyone that has the intelligence to give them the puck, know that they are the stars of the line, and support them by allowing them to succeed.

Problem was, some players have a very high a regard for themselves, and tried to make themselves the show on the line.

Kessel is one of the most productive players in the NHL right now, he drives the bus on the line, he doesn't need someone else to drive the bus for him, it has been tried and it has been proven unsuccessful. Only room for one alpha dog on that line, and with the way Kessel has produced. We are lucky we have a coach that knows this too.

 

[pooleboy]

You can't have it both ways you are saying his wingers tanked it.

Why would they tank it?

some players just dont play well with each other? Bozak never carries the puck so with Bozak JVR gets passed to more and its usually a basic quick pass. Kessel and Kadri imo didn't look to bad, but JVR didn't play well on that line with Kadri not used to being the #3 option to pass too. Its okay though, we can hide kadri from top defences and let him play against inferior defences with Lupul and Clarkson spread the scoring around, just because he isn't on our top line doesn't mean he isn't our best center.

 

[pooleboy]

Kessel and JVR can play with practically anyone that has the intelligence to give them the puck, know that they are the stars of the line, and support them by allowing them to succeed.

Problem was, some players have a very high a regard for themselves, and tried to make themselves the show on the line.

Kessel is one of the most productive players in the NHL right now, he drives the bus on the line, he doesn't need someone else to drive the bus for him, it has been tried and it has been proven unsuccessful. Only room for one alpha dog on that line, and with the way Kessel has produced. We are lucky we have a coach that knows this too.

i agree with this, as weird as that sounds... however u tried to stab kadri in that 2nd paragraph which is unwarranted because idk if you should critisize a player who likes to be creative and have the puck on his stick.

Kadri could be a #1 Center but like Gardiner we can hide him behind the big boys and he can succeed, (both have potential to be traded, but we could use both players)

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Yeah. No i didnt.
READ MY POSTS AGAIN

You can't say Kessel and JVR didn't try hard enough with Kadri, and then claim you are not critiquing their character.

There is no reason to critique Kessel's character and try the last 2 years certainly, and there is no reason to critique JVR's effort level ever since he and Kessel were linemates.

Many nights this year these 2 were the only 2 players doing anything positive at all, well actually a 3rd guy too, but I won't mention him since he seems to bring out the worst in posters.

 

[Funk21]

I really like Kadri, I think that the media and critics need to leave him be. Kadri has officially had one shortened season and a full schedule of games this year plus a handfull the previous years(not to mention one of the worst coaches to stand behind the bench).

All i ask is that i don't care who you have to bribe or how much you have to pay you got to get down to Stamkos's training camp with Gary Roberts this summer. I'm sure training with the likes of them will show you just how hard the best of the best work to be better. We know you got the skill's, you just got to do the work.

 

[mikebel111*]

You can't say Kessel and JVR didn't try hard enough with Kadri, and then claim you are not critiquing their character.

There is no reason to critique Kessel's character and try the last 2 years certainly, and there is no reason to critique JVR's effort level ever since he and Kessel were linemates.

Many nights this year these 2 were the only 2 players doing anything positive at all, well actually a 3rd guy too, but I won't mention him since he seems to bring out the worst in posters.

First of all. Their effort wasnt good at all. JVR more than kessel. No i am not judging their character. Just saying their work ethic wasnt strong.
Second. Looks as if ur making me into a bozak hater which i am not. I am a fan of tyler. If u didnt know already

 

[ULF_55]

First of all. Their effort wasnt good at all. JVR more than kessel. No i am not judging their character. Just saying their work ethic wasnt strong.
Second. Looks as if ur making me into a bozak hater which i am not. I am a fan of tyler. If u didnt know already

You are very clearly calling out the character of Kessel and van Riemsdyk.

So why do you think they have no interest in working hard when Kadri is their center?

 

[mikebel111*]

You are very clearly calling out the character of Kessel and van Riemsdyk.

So why do you think they have no interest in working hard when Kadri is their center?

Wow again. Quit making up things like i am questioning their character.
Remember when kadri was struggling? People said he has attitude issues. Were those true?

 

[Quares27]

I am not wrong. Kadri actually played. Where were his wingers?
I am not saying kadri played well. He was average at best but atleast he tried
Wingers were nowhere to be seen.

So let me get this straight

With Bozak in the first 10 games - The line was good
With Holland for about 5 games - The line was good
With Kadri for 15 games - The line was awful, they all had like 3/4 pts in 15 games
Since Bozak has come back - they're all over PPG in their last 20 games

And you're trying to say it wasn't because of Kadri that the line was bad? lol wow

 

[Diatomic]

So let me get this straight

With Bozak in the first 10 games - The line was good
With Holland for about 5 games - The line was good
With Kadri for 15 games - The line was awful, they all had like 3/4 pts in 15 games
Since Bozak has come back - they're all over PPG in their last 20 games

And you're trying to say it wasn't because of Kadri that the line was bad? lol wow

Lol wow you make dumb judgements on small sample sizes, how easy it is for people to forget that Kessel is a streaky player and this team went on a stretch of ~22 games without a regulation win? Was It Kadri's fault too that this team couldn't win in regulation for 22 games? Was it Kadri's fault Kessel went cold for a stretch of 15 games?

Remember 2 years ago when Kessel started the season goalless in 10 games with Bozak as his center? Ofcourse you don't because Kessel and Bozak fit like 2 pieces of a stanley cup winning puzzle in your mind.

 

[Diatomic]

You are very clearly calling out the character of Kessel and van Riemsdyk.

So why do you think they have no interest in working hard when Kadri is their center?

Everyone knows JVR and Kessel's character, when their cold Kessel is a low percentage perimeter shooter and JVR is a floater, and when their hot their amazing. If the Kadri experiment went on for say 30-40games and they were brutal, just terrible then I'd agree that Kadri's at fault, but a 10-15 game performance when the team hasn't won in regulation in 20+ games, I'm not faulting the center for the teams and lines overall crappy performance

 

[Eb]

First of all. Their effort wasnt good at all. JVR more than kessel. No i am not judging their character. Just saying their work ethic wasnt strong.
Second. Looks as if ur making me into a bozak hater which i am not. I am a fan of tyler. If u didnt know already

Excuses. Sounds exactly like you are making excuses why they didn't work.

 

[Eb]

Remember 2 years ago when Kessel started the season goalless in 10 games with Bozak as his center? Ofcourse you don't because Kessel and Bozak fit like 2 pieces of a stanley cup winning puzzle in your mind.

It was quite obvious Kessel was playing well just not converting on his chances. Plus, he was still putting up points.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

So let me get this straight

With Bozak in the first 10 games - The line was good
With Holland for about 5 games - The line was good
With Kadri for 15 games - The line was awful, they all had like 3/4 pts in 15 games
Since Bozak has come back - they're all over PPG in their last 20 games

And you're trying to say it wasn't because of Kadri that the line was bad? lol wow

Remove the game against the Oilers, what are the stats for the Kadri, Kessel, JVR line?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Tried? By tried do u mean not giving effort when kadri was there?
Not sure how you can say that. The lack of effort by his wingers was not good

I think Ulf said is best for Kadri.

People are so quick to anoint him as a #1C here, they get carried away with the reasons why it didn't work when it was tried, as we have seen when he was played with Kessel and JVR, he clearly isn't there yet. He needs to develop more, probably more mentally more than anything else.

And even then, he and Kessel are probably at cross differences because both want the puck on their stick to make plays.

We have to remember, the vast majority of points Kadri got last year was against 3rd pairing defence men. It is quite a jump to face Kelly and Mcquade to the Chara's and Bergeron.

Be patient, he is not there yet.

 

[Durrr]

So let me get this straight

With Bozak in the first 10 games - The line was good
With Holland for about 5 games - The line was good
With Kadri for 15 games - The line was awful, they all had like 3/4 pts in 15 games
Since Bozak has come back - they're all over PPG in their last 20 games

And you're trying to say it wasn't because of Kadri that the line was bad? lol wow

I love how you leave out how bad the line was playing before/after Kadri got a shot. Kadri's first game with Kessel saw Kessel pot a hatrick, and Kadri put up 2 points (when only Bozak was out); it was only after BOTH Bozak and Bolland went down that the line really struggled (this doesn't even include how awful they looked with JVR as a center).

You're fooling yourself if you think a team can survive with ONE of it's top 3 centers in game. The reason the leaf's have been so dynamic offensively in the past is the ability to roll more then 1 scoring line, forcing other teams to spread their defensive coverage to more then 1 line. Despite this, Kadri and Kessel looked dangerous almost every game during that stretch, with chance after chance that just couldn't find the twine.

Again, if you think it was Kadri's fault alone that line was flat you need to take a look beyond words on a page.