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Nazem Kadri - Part 3

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[QUwhOTE=Interactif;80303569]How is comparing Kadri to other 2009 draftees being very critical? Please explain to me what is very critical about this?[/QUOTE]

Why do you keep pretending he compares poorly to his draft class?


Career Points

1 Tavares 315
2 Duchene 243
3 Kane 188
4 Orielly 168
5 johansson 131
6 hedman 126
7 kadri 104


Career PPG

1 Tavares 0.90
2 Duchene 0.76
3 Kadri 0.67
4 Kane 0.62
5 Orielly 0.52

Last two years:

1. Tavares 107gms, 53gls, 113pts (82gms, 41gls, 87pts)
2. Duchene 102gms, 36gls, 93pts (82gms, 29gls, 75pts)
3. Kadri 104gms, 33gls, 85pts (82gms, 26gls, 67pts)
4. Orielly 85gms, 27gls, 61pts (82gms, 26gls, 59pts)
5. Kane 90gms, 32gls, 62pts (82gms, 29gls, 57pts)

And kadris one of the most physical, and the only one not receiving top PP time.


Why do you keep saying he doesn't compare well to his draft class?
 
LeafOfBread said:
From picks 8 to the end of the first round there is not a single player I would take over Nazem. The only ones who have even seemed good so far in the NHL are Leddy, Kreider and Johansson. So considering where he was picked it was an excellent pick, especially when the next 3 guys immediately selected were Glennie, Cowen and Paajarvi.
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That wasn't the point, really the point is the players I mentioned that didn't include Reilly Smith, should have added him are well on their ways to development. People thinking Kadri has miles of upside to his game may want to think again. He is a #2C on a good team. If he can tighten up his defensive play, be more consistent, and improve on his 44.2 and 45.2 face-off % in his first 2 years as a NHL center. He will be a good NHL'er.
 
zeke said:
[QUwhOTE=Interactif;80303569]How is comparing Kadri to other 2009 draftees being very critical? Please explain to me what is very critical about this?
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Why do you keep pretending he compares poorly to his draft class?


Career Points

1 Tavares 315
2 Duchene 243
3 Kane 188
4 Orielly 168
5 johansson 131
6 hedman 126
7 kadri 104


Career PPG

1 Tavares 0.90
2 Duchene 0.76
3 Kadri 0.67
4 Kane 0.62
5 Orielly 0.52

Last two years:

1. Tavares 107gms, 53gls, 113pts (82gms, 41gls, 87pts)
2. Duchene 102gms, 36gls, 93pts (82gms, 29gls, 75pts)
3. Kadri 104gms, 33gls, 85pts (82gms, 26gls, 67pts)
4. Orielly 85gms, 27gls, 61pts (82gms, 26gls, 59pts)
5. Kane 90gms, 32gls, 62pts (82gms, 29gls, 57pts)

And kadris one of the most physical, and the only one not receiving top PP time.


Why do you keep saying he doesn't compare well to his draft class?[/QUOTE]

That is what asked, who saw comparing Kadri to the 2009 draft class as being critical? As a fan do you not want to see how he is stacking up to his contemporaries?
 
You are trying to argue he doesn'tcompare well to his draft class, when he clearly does.

You just tried to compare him to johansson....and even kyle clifford.
 
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Should be fun to see what the future holds for him, either traded, stayes as a #2C longterm or gets that #1C spot from Bozak. I'm thinking he gets a longterm tryout at #1C when he's 25, not a 10 game garbage he did this year a serious tryout when he's nearly fully developed, and I'm thinking he runs with it.
 
Diatomic said:
Should be fun to see what the future holds for him, either traded, stayes as a #2C longterm or gets that #1C spot from Bozak. I'm thinking he gets a longterm tryout at #1C when he's 25, not a 10 game garbage he did this year a serious tryout when he's nearly fully developed, and I'm thinking he runs with it.
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Kadri actually showed effort in his time as number 1 C. Its not his fault phil and JVR were complete garbage when he was there. They just didnt play.
It amazes me people blame kadri. Saying he was terrible. When really its his wingers that didnt show up.
 
Diatomic said:
Should be fun to see what the future holds for him, either traded, stayes as a #2C longterm or gets that #1C spot from Bozak. I'm thinking he gets a longterm tryout at #1C when he's 25, not a 10 game garbage he did this year a serious tryout when he's nearly fully developed, and I'm thinking he runs with it.
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Your 1st mistake is the same as just about everybody does is labeling lines in where players should be playing but your right in the sense for his future... Kadri is the 2nd best offensive player in this entire organization only to Kessel. Like last year when this season is done he will be 2nd in team scoring to Kessel providing offensive weapons on 2 different lines that makes the Leafs a better team. It's funny Kadri has been ripped apart, traded, perceived Holland as a better player LOL yet he's only 6 points behind JVR for 2nd in team scoring and JVR is having a career year. If that doesn't wake people up at just how talented Kadri is I don't know what will to be honest. The stud winger JVR has produced just 6 points more than Kadri who's being talked about having a bad year YIKES.

The Leafs in time will have 2 #1 lines as you guys like to lable it. one with Kessel as the catalyst and the other with Kadri... give it some time cause in my humble opinion it wont be too long when Kadri challenges Kessel for the teams top point producer. This is what we have in Kadri if the organization has the patience to allow Kadri to grow & develop. He's a top line point producing offensive player talent who plays with an edge

Having Kessel kill teams on one line just opens it up for Kadri to kill teams on another.
 
mikebel111 said:
Kadri actually showed effort in his time as number 1 C. Its not his fault phil and JVR were complete garbage when he was there. They just didnt play.
It amazes me people blame kadri. Saying he was terrible. When really its his wingers that didnt show up.
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You're seriously trying to blame the wingers? lol wow
 
Quares27 said:
You're seriously trying to blame the wingers? lol wow
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I am not wrong. Kadri actually played. Where were his wingers?
I am not saying kadri played well. He was average at best but atleast he tried
Wingers were nowhere to be seen.
 
There is some chemistry between kessel and kadri. But nothing with JVR. with that being said, i was upset by the effort of the wingers
 
mikebel111 said:
There is some chemistry between kessel and kadri. But nothing with JVR. with that being said, i was upset by the effort of the wingers
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Last time I checked, Kessel's the one with the 8 million dollar contract. Kadri should have adapted his game to fit Kessel, not the other way around. He couldn't (or wouldn't) and he rightfully lost his chance for now.
 
ULF_55 said:
Then Nonis should get better wingers!

:naughty:
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In retrospect, Kadri should have done what Pavelski said he did, look at Bozak's game and adapt his game so he could make Kessel and JVR just as effective. It isn't rocket science playing with those 2, get Kessel the puck.
 
The Thin White Duke said:
Last time I checked, Kessel's the one with the 8 million dollar contract. Kadri should have adapted his game to fit Kessel, not the other way around. He couldn't (or wouldn't) and he rightfully lost his chance for now.
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Someone didnt read my post. I never said anything about adapting. I said that there wasnt any effort from the wingers
 
Interactif said:
In retrospect, Kadri should have done what Pavelski said he did, look at Bozak's game and adapt his game so he could make Kessel and JVR just as effective. It isn't rocket science playing with those 2, get Kessel the puck.
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And kadri should not play his game? Bozak has always been like that. There wasnt really any adaption on his part. Kadri and kessel shouldnt adapt to each other. Plus if kadri adapts, thats taking away his game. In order to be a number 1 C, he doesnt have to be with phil. Create 2 great lines
 
When Kadri played with Kessel and JVR all three had similar stats, something like 3 points and a -7 each in 10 games lol. However, you'd have to be blind to not notice that they were the best line on the ice each game, the scoresheet doesn't tell you everything.
 
Interactif said:
In retrospect, Kadri should have done what Pavelski said he did, look at Bozak's game and adapt his game so he could make Kessel and JVR just as effective. It isn't rocket science playing with those 2, get Kessel the puck.
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But kessel was held scoreless in his final 2 games with pavelski as his center, since were judging Nazem on a small sample size pavelski as his center was an epic failure too :sarcasm:
 
Some posters are acting like Kadri is an established NHL player and can just step into a 1st line position and perform.

Give him some time and let develop.

Kessel and van Riemsdyk are established players I'm sure they tried to pull Kadri up to their level but it is just premature.

Impatience is showing again.
 
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