Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[4thline]

I can't believe Pookie expects anyone to listen to him talk about Kadri. Guy hates Kadri and has been arguing to trade him for the last 5 years no matter the circumstances.

Cry wolf for too long and nobody will listen you. Nobody believes that Kadri's recent antics are the reason he wants him gone.

I'm actually open to trading him at this point in the right deal, but Pookie can **** off with whatever he has to say on the subject.

We need warriors. Players that provide pushback and physical presence, will go to war for their teammates and play with fire. If a warrior occasionally crosses the line we will deal with the repercussions as the cost of doing business, because that's the kind of player we need.

Nazem Kadri provides pushback and physical presence, will go to war for his teammates and plays with an undeniable fire. But he's not a warrior, he's an irredeemable dirt bag and an unacceptable liability. Because reasons.

I'm actually in favour of trading him this off-season. But I'm under no illusion why.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We need warriors. Players that provide pushback and physical presence, will go to war for their teammates and play with fire. If a warrior occasionally crosses the line we will deal with the repercussions as the cost of doing business, because that's the kind of player we need.

Nazem Kadri provides pushback and physical presence, will go to war for his teammates and plays with an undeniable fire. But he's not a warrior, he's an irredeemable dirt bag and an unacceptable liability. Because reasons.

I'm actually in favour of trading him this off-season. But I'm under no illusion why.

This seems like it's a bit much.

 

[4thline]

This seems like it's a bit much.

It's not a belief that I hold.

 

[willmma]

I guess some people just refuse to believe their hero's are human.


I guess we can look at it another way, we keep Kadri and maybe get 2 or 3 more OK seasons out of him or we trade for assets and get 8 to 10 seasons of good to great performance out of him (them).

What?
You're talking like he's 35 already.

The guy is 29. He still has 6 to 10 years in him.

 

[Dough72]

Kadri will not take another suspension like that for the rest of his career. Next time he will drop the gloves like a man.

 

[al secord]

Kadri will not take another suspension like that for the rest of his career. Next time he will drop the gloves like a man.

...and the time after that?

 

[Tak7]

Kadri was really good in the playoffs when he played. Then he got suspended and his value dropped to zero, that's also part of the reality.



Agreed.



QFMFT.

I haven't seen anyone here with as much bias against any player as Pookie has against Kadri. His posts on the subject are a tire fire that's been burning for I don't know how many years now, I stopped responding to his posts a very long time ago and I'd be amazed if anyone pays attention to him any more.

I'll take your advice.

Thanks.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Kadri will not take another suspension like that for the rest of his career. Next time he will drop the gloves like a man.

that's what people said last year.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

that's what people said last year.

The guy plays with passion and emotion. We drafted him. It means something to him to be a Leaf. Same with Marner, Tavares, Dermott, Muzzy, Brown and Hyman. We have to be careful to keep our local guys.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The guy plays with passion and emotion. We drafted him. It means something to him to be a Leaf. Same with Marner, Tavares, Dermott, Muzzy, Brown and Hyman. We have to be careful to keep our local guys.

And why is that?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Because their heart is in the right place. From time they laced up at 4 they dreamed of being Leafs. It is a passion hard to explain in words. There are some guys on team (not getting into names here) whose heart is in making NHL which is a huge accomplishment on its own but if they play on Tampa or LA it does not matter. They are not fighting for same cause.

 

[Daisy Jane]

The guy plays with passion and emotion. We drafted him. It means something to him to be a Leaf. Same with Marner, Tavares, Dermott, Muzzy, Brown and Hyman. We have to be careful to keep our local guys.

no we do not have to be careful to keep our local guys.
we need to build a team that can win us a cup. the end. that's the priority.

but a lot of people here like putting their love of the player ahead of the love of the team.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

no we do not have to be careful to keep our local guys.
we need to build a team that can win us a cup. the end. that's the priority.

but a lot of people here like putting their love of the player ahead of the love of the team.

All the guys I mentioned bleed blue. That's how you win a Cup. I may be wrong but that's how I feel. Now once they start to have issues like Brownie well it gets tough. but I don't see Kadri with any less skill then he has always had. his issue is like Marchand his emotions take over at times. but it is all for the right hockey reasons. his lack of production this year was entirely related to Marleau and lesser extent Willy. Put a 4th liner of your line and an out of shape guy and guess what even McJesus suffers.

 

[Bluelines]

What?
You're talking like he's 35 already.

The guy is 29. He still has 6 to 10 years in him.

16 goals suggests otherwise.

before is two 32 goal seasons, he was in the 17 to 20 goal range. I would suggest his previous 2 seasons were anomalies and he has returned to right about where he should be. At 32 goals per, he was a steal, at 16 goals per, he is an over priced luxury that we cannot afford.

 

[sparxx87]

no we do not have to be careful to keep our local guys.
we need to build a team that can win us a cup. the end. that's the priority.

but a lot of people here like putting their love of the player ahead of the love of the team.

For me, it’s the complete opposite. I think Kadri makes the team better and provides exceptional value at 4.5M..but I’d be open to trading him if they can find a way to parlay that into a good defenseman that might make the team even better.

@Gary Nylund The thing about lowered value - I think we’re both right. Some GM’s May see it as a liability while others won’t be bothered by it. IF he is to be moved, it has to be to a GM who views him as a valuable 2C rather than a depreciating asset. That, I think we can all agree on.

It never makes cents to sell for pennies on the dollar.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

16 goals suggests otherwise.

before is two 32 goal seasons, he was in the 17 to 20 goal range. I would suggest his previous 2 seasons were anomalies and he has returned to right about where he should be. At 32 goals per, he was a steal, at 16 goals per, he is an over priced luxury that we cannot afford.

Put him with Moore and normal Willy for a season and my guess he is back to 30+ again and his numbers at start of year will look even better. You don't trade a guy in his prime when things going bad for him. You never get full value back. Did Ducks trade Getzlaf after a couple bad seasons with many things going against him? No in fact he made Team Canada.

 

[Jozay]

What?
You're talking like he's 35 already.

The guy is 29. He still has 6 to 10 years in him.

Basic google search of aging curves for NHL players will tell you otherwise.

Leafs locked Kadri up for all his good years. At the end of this current contract, he'll barely be a 2C.

Leafs should 100% trade him before he falls off. I would've traded him next summer, but him getting suspended in the playoffs again changes things.

I like Kadri, but I dont know how anyone could trust the guy to stay on the ice.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

For me, it’s the complete opposite. I think Kadri makes the team better and provides exceptional value at 4.5M..but I’d be open to trading him if they can find a way to parlay that into a good defenseman that might make the team even better.

@Gary Nylund The thing about lowered value - I think we’re both right. Some GM’s May see it as a liability while others won’t be bothered by it. IF he is to be moved, it has to be to a GM who views him as a valuable 2C rather than a depreciating asset. That, I think we can all agree on.

It never makes cents to sell for pennies on the dollar.

Yes for sure. You get a Trouba you get er done.

 

[mikeyz]

I am sorry guys. But I just don't trust him to hold his emotions in check and not to get suspended again come April. Especially if we play the Bruins again.

 

[Jeypic]

In my opinion Kadri is a 2c, playing 3c because of our depth. He needs to return 2c on a sweetheart contract trade value. I’m not sure if he gets that after the playoff suspension.

However, the fact we have him being slightly under utilized here, (3c instead of 2c), and absolutely nothing on our right side defense... a trade might make sense if we think we’re gonna be ok at 3c without him.

Nylander could slot into 3c.

I don’t really want to see Kadri go, I like what he brings to the team. But depending who we get in return.. i could be ok with it.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I am sorry guys. But I just don't trust him to hold his emotions in check and not to get suspended again come April. Especially if we play the Bruins again.

I get it. He certainly has 2 strikes now. and you know what happens with 3rd strike? but i wish we had a couple bigger stronger tougher wingers who could skate who could step up. I wonder what would happen if Kadri did not feel like he had to be the guy who stood up all the time. Imagine Wilson on Leafs? Tommy, another local kid, or even Niky would not let the Boston runs go unchallenged even if they had to eat a few from the beast.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I get it. He certainly has 2 strikes now. and you know what happens with 3rd strike? but i wish we had a couple bigger stronger tougher wingers who could skate who could step up. I wonder what would happen if Kadri did not feel like he had to be the guy who stood up all the time. Imagine Wilson on Leafs? Tommy, another local kid, or even Niky would not let the Boston runs go unchallenged even if they had to eat a few from the beast.

Kadri isn't standing up for the team, Kadri loses control and tries to hurt someone. He's been suspended repeatedly for the same offense. He's not dropping the gloves, he's not laying a big hit he gets angry and tries to hurt another player.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Kadri isn't standing up for the team, Kadri loses control and tries to hurt someone. He's been suspended repeatedly for the same offense. He's not dropping the gloves, he's not laying a big hit he gets angry and tries to hurt another player.

I know that but he can't fight. He sucks at fighting. Would you want to see him stand up and get dummied by Jake? Talk about a total momentum killer. The guy runs your vet into the stanchin and then dummies Kadri.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I am sorry guys. But I just don't trust him to hold his emotions in check and not to get suspended again come April. Especially if we play the Bruins again.

well unless the leafs (or Bruins)

A: win the division or
B: completely crap the bed and end up in the wildcard spot

chances are it's Leafs + Bruins part 3 for this group.

Kadri isn't standing up for the team, Kadri loses control and tries to hurt someone. He's been suspended repeatedly for the same offense. He's not dropping the gloves, he's not laying a big hit he gets angry and tries to hurt another player.

thank you.

For me, it’s the complete opposite. I think Kadri makes the team better and provides exceptional value at 4.5M..but I’d be open to trading him if they can find a way to parlay that into a good defenseman that might make the team even better.

@Gary Nylund The thing about lowered value - I think we’re both right. Some GM’s May see it as a liability while others won’t be bothered by it. IF he is to be moved, it has to be to a GM who views him as a valuable 2C rather than a depreciating asset. That, I think we can all agree on.

It never makes cents to sell for pennies on the dollar.

sure, you're entitled to that opinion.
i think trading Kadri while he has exceptional value. i think it behooves the Leafs to move him now. because as no one is capable of answering -

1: why do we need a 30 goal scorer on the third line? We don't. that's a luxury.
2: do you think kadri can score 30 goals this season with limited time?
3: if you feel that he can do that - don't you think other teams will want him to be a 2nd line centre and pay handsomely for that?

because it's either he can't - and we should should maximize his return before it diminishes. or he can - and we should capitalize on it before it diminishes.

 

[willmma]

Kadri isn't standing up for the team, Kadri loses control and tries to hurt someone. He's been suspended repeatedly for the same offense. He's not dropping the gloves, he's not laying a big hit he gets angry and tries to hurt another player.

Let's not deny facts to fit our visions.

True facts are:
He is standing up for his team.
He does drop gloves
He does lay big hits.


... and he throws questionable hits that he shouldn't.