Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[Gary Nylund]

this town proves its lack of hockey knowledge and its inability to properly size up a player and evaluate them YEAR AFTER YEAR!

Fire everyone. Trade everyone. This is all this town and its fan base knows.

Kadri spent more than 50% of his ice time with Marleau, Brown, Zaitsev. Those three guys are offense killers. Kadri is not superman. I mean be at least a little bit honest with yourselves from time to time.

its impossible to hate and hate all the time. thats too much negativity. I don't know how some of you can function in your personal lives on a day to day bases with this negativity.

Kadri the previous season saw a huge offensive output when spending time with players like Marner. I mean that right there tells you all you need to know about how good Kadri is.

Trading Kadri is a bad move. because then you have to replace him and GOOD LUCK! its never going to happen. You cannot replace him. With his term and cap number and how good he can be with real offensive players with talent and skill GM's will be lining up for Kadri and believe me they are.

I'm sick of the trade fire trade fire mentality of this town. YOU are part of the reason this team sucks. Now players are asking to get out as well. Lets at least keep the ones with talent that want to stay.

Get over yourselves. You dont know the game of hockey from atom. Its ok to have an opinion. Its ok to share that opinion. But make sure you word it so that it sounds like you are NOT stating facts. Cause your not.

May I suggest taking an ativan?

I agree Kadri's season was nowhere near as bad as some are saying. As far as replacing him being impossible and the negativity and mentality and fans being why the team sucks and getting over yourself and atom hockey yada yada yada, perhaps once you've calmed down a tad you'll understand that this post of yours is over the top melodrama. Consider the fact that every team in NHL history that has won the cup has done it without Nazem Kadri on the team. No really, it's true.

With or without Kadri, it's gonna be OK. I hope that helps.

 

[Jozay]

Kadri wouldnt be a casualty of the cap, but more so a casualty of his own stupidity. You hate to see it.

Im 50/50 on it. I would be OK if they traded and OK if they kept him.

 

[Loosie]

There is the thing. For everyone who keeps banging the drum about how Kadri learned his lesson (again), and how he wouldn't do something like this. (again), -how many times does Nazem Kadri has to burn this team with his action under the guise of "defending a teammate", or "being sandpaper-y" or "being passionate" or what other ad hominem you'd like before it's acknowledge that his behaviour when he gets mad is a detriment to the team?

The 2nd round?
Third?
Cup finals?

because i remember last year when Naz got suspended during the regular season that everyone kept saying well it's the regular season, he'd never do something like that in the playoffs. then he did it int he playoffs, and it's "well he'll learn now - he wouldn't jeopardize this team." and then he did it again.


i don't know nor understand how people can trust a literal ticking time bomb that if you get under his skin - he'll do something completely bonkers. even his biggest defenders in the media can acknowledge it. i'm just wondering where the line is for people.

thanks for your service - trade him get someone who can do this job and more importantly be dependable.

This is where I'm at with Kadri as well. Trade him for assets that will be there to play for the playoffs and not get hot-headed and get himself suspended for a round.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Kadri wouldnt be a casualty of the cap, but more so a casualty of his own stupidity. You hate to see it.

Im 50/50 on it. I would be OK if they traded and OK if they kept him.

I'm OK either way as well but with caveats:

traded - as always, depends on the return (and I understand his value is less than it was a year ago or even 2 months ago)

kept - only if they take steps to minimize the suspension risk going forward (hint - anger management counselling)

 

[Jozay]

Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.

"Kadri is not a loose cannon" Lmao

He's been suspended 5 times.

Once again, your post only proves how much you cant trust Kadri. You need to coach make sure he doesnt do anything stupid now? Maybe people should start holding Kadri accountable. He cant control himself.

He'll get suspended again, and it'll be a long one because of his history. Only thing we dont know is if it'll be in the playoffs again.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Most number of suspensions since 2010
Raffi Torres 5
Nazem Kadri 5
Zac Rinaldo 5
Radko Gudas 4
— Sportsnet Stats (@SNstats) April 15, 2019

Maple Leafs' Nazem Kadri suspended for remainder of first round - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Jozay]

I'm OK either way as well but with caveats:

traded - as always, depends on the return (and I understand his value is less than it was a year ago or even 2 months ago)

kept - only if they take steps to minimize the suspension risk going forward (hint - anger management counselling)

Yeah, the return has to be good. Ideally a top 4 RHD. Trouba (with an extension) would be the dream, but I doubt that happens.

He's a good player, and gives us great depth down the middle. But its really hard to trust the guy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

 

[81Leafs50]

So much selective positioning here. Let’s get to the heart of it.

You don’t want to trade him. And selectively present data that supports it.

Omitting the Kadri played first line PP with someone named Tavares and not Bozak this year is an example. Playing sheltered 3rd and 4th line minutes is another.

That’s fine. You like having him on the roster and HOPE that the 6th time is a charm.

You HOPE that we can ideally get through 4 rounds of playoff hockey without him doing something stupid.

You HOPE.

It’s best to have a contingency plan in place because he has showed us that we cannot rely on him.

I dont care what the Leafs do with Kadri. But lets not pretend that 4.5M 30 goal guys are available or ever will be available.

SO go ahead and trade the guy. But when the next thread starts about how horrible "3C X" is and that we should trade him for a better alternative, I'm going to be there to say I told you so.

Making changes for the sake of making change is not good. If there is someone better in free agency and comes in at the same price or lower great. Trade Kadri tomorrow.

 

[81Leafs50]

So much selective positioning here. Let’s get to the heart of it.

You don’t want to trade him. And selectively present data that supports it.

Omitting the Kadri played first line PP with someone named Tavares and not Bozak this year is an example. Playing sheltered 3rd and 4th line minutes is another.

That’s fine. You like having him on the roster and HOPE that the 6th time is a charm.

You HOPE that we can ideally get through 4 rounds of playoff hockey without him doing something stupid.

You HOPE.

It’s best to have a contingency plan in place because he has showed us that we cannot rely on him.

I'll take the proven 30 goal guy over UFA X or trade bait X any day. If you think the Leafs lost to the Bruins because of Kadri then you are the one thats misguided. Leafs were up 3-2 and had a game at home to finish them off.

 

[81Leafs50]

May I suggest taking an ativan?

I agree Kadri's season was nowhere near as bad as some are saying. As far as replacing him being impossible and the negativity and mentality and fans being why the team sucks and getting over yourself and atom hockey yada yada yada, perhaps once you've calmed down a tad you'll understand that this post of yours is over the top melodrama. Consider the fact that every team in NHL history that has won the cup has done it without Nazem Kadri on the team. No really, it's true.

With or without Kadri, it's gonna be OK. I hope that helps.

HOLY SMOKES YOU DID IT! You solved the unsolvable.

Why is Kadri in the NHL at all. Apparently the key to winning the cup is just not having Kadri on your team. I'm surprised all 31 NHL GM's dont know this and they still continue to employ him.

Why are all these GM's calling Dubas about Kadri?? I think you need to do a REPLY ALL and send this out in an email blast. This is need to know info.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Most number of suspensions since 2010
Raffi Torres 5
Nazem Kadri 5
Zac Rinaldo 5
Radko Gudas 4
— Sportsnet Stats (@SNstats) April 15, 2019

Maple Leafs' Nazem Kadri suspended for remainder of first round - Sportsnet.ca

It's not his fault, he just really needs to defend his teammates unlike the rest of those scumbags.

 

[BlueForever75]

I too am 50/50 on keeping or trading Kadri. In the end I am tired of the stupidity but I also know trading him opens a huge hole in our forwards because we don't have a capable starting center behind Matthews and Tavares. That being said, if we can acquire a #2 defenseman for him to play with Reilly and other deals are made to clear cap space that we can acquire a good 2-way center for the 3rd line, I am all for it.

Step 1: Trade Kadri and prospect to WPG for Trouba

Step 2: Trade all of Zaitsev, prospects (not named Kapanen/Johnsson), Marleau and Brown for picks and another dman (Martinez type preferable)

Step 3: Sign Brian Boyle as UFA for #3 C

Step 4: Sign Ferland to UFA deal

Ferland-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Boyle-Kapanen
Moore-Gauthier-Micheyev

Reilly-Trouba
Muzzin-Martinez
Rosen-Dermott

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah, the return has to be good. Ideally a top 4 RHD. Trouba (with an extension) would be the dream, but I doubt that happens.

He's a good player, and gives us great depth down the middle. But its really hard to trust the guy. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Trouba is most likely a pipe dream. Most likely IMO if Kadri goes is that we get a centre back, if not in that trade then in a separate deal. Whatever, trades are super hard to predict so I'll just wait and see what happens. Best case scenario IMO is that he gets some counselling and that it actually works. And if it does, I hope Babcock makes better use of him next season. Oh yeah, I also hope of course that he doesn't get suspended in the playoffs again.

HOLY SMOKES YOU DID IT! You solved the unsolvable.

Why is Kadri in the NHL at all. Apparently the key to winning the cup is just not having Kadri on your team. I'm surprised all 31 NHL GM's dont know this and they still continue to employ him.

Why are all these GM's calling Dubas about Kadri?? I think you need to do a REPLY ALL and send this out in an email blast. This is need to know info.

Really? From the rest of this post it doesn't seem like the ativan has quite kicked in yet.

 

[Daisy Jane]

I dont care what the Leafs do with Kadri. But lets not pretend that 4.5M 30 goal guys are available or ever will be available.

SO go ahead and trade the guy. But when the next thread starts about how horrible "3C X" is and that we should trade him for a better alternative, I'm going to be there to say I told you so.

Making changes for the sake of making change is not good. If there is someone better in free agency and comes in at the same price or lower great. Trade Kadri tomorrow.

do you believe that Kadri can score 30 on the third line with limited ice team etc for the rest of his contract?
and do you believe that when his contract is over he'll sign for the same amount of money?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't want Marchand on my team but certainly doing what he does (always seems to be in control of his emotions) is better for the team.



LOL no, watch the replay. His stick is heading for the top of his head and at the last second, there's a downward motion so hits him right in the shield instead. The top of the helmet wasn't good enough, he needed to hit him in the face, lucky the shield didn't break. And nothing "escalated", Kadri did something dumb and was punished for it, that's it. Not the first time either but you know that, right?

IMHO deliberately cross checking someone in the face with your stick is disgusting, dangerous and hockey would be better off without that kind of garbage. You don't GAF and what bothers you about this incident is "the code"? What are we, the mafia?

To each his own I guess.

When I played that was a 2 minute penalty. And the ref might just tell Jake to get da **** up before I hit you with a delay of game. It would have been over with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. And the ref would have warned both teams to stop with running guys into the stanchin and then retaliating with a cross check. But unfortunately that game was run by a weak ref and it had gone amock. Hockey becoming more like Euro futball now which makes me sick. That was embarrassing what Jake did. He made a mockery of the game.

 

[Trapper]

do you believe that Kadri can score 30 on the third line with limited ice team etc for the rest of his contract?
and do you believe that when his contract is over he'll sign for the same amount of money?

You want to pay 4 guys half the cap and keep everyone else.
Not going to happen. Top 4 22 minute/night RHD > Kadri.

 

[Menzinger]

Cap isnt going to be the prime motivator if they do trade him -it looks as if theeafs are clearly focused on moving Marleau and or Zaitsev for that reason - if hes traded itll be because hes the best asset to acquire a top four rhd.

 

[diceman934]

There is the thing. For everyone who keeps banging the drum about how Kadri learned his lesson (again), and how he wouldn't do something like this. (again), -how many times does Nazem Kadri has to burn this team with his action under the guise of "defending a teammate", or "being sandpaper-y" or "being passionate" or what other ad hominem you'd like before it's acknowledge that his behaviour when he gets mad is a detriment to the team?

The 2nd round?
Third?
Cup finals?

because i remember last year when Naz got suspended during the regular season that everyone kept saying well it's the regular season, he'd never do something like that in the playoffs. then he did it int he playoffs, and it's "well he'll learn now - he wouldn't jeopardize this team." and then he did it again.


i don't know nor understand how people can trust a literal ticking time bomb that if you get under his skin - he'll do something completely bonkers. even his biggest defenders in the media can acknowledge it. i'm just wondering where the line is for people.

thanks for your service - trade him get someone who can do this job and more importantly be dependable.

It was defending his team mates like it or not it is the truth.

He has also proven he can change. So in my opinion we keep him as His replacement is going to cost us the same or more with out the skill set he brings. Think Washington is going to trade Tom Wilson...hell no.

 

[HolyCrap]

this town proves its lack of hockey knowledge and its inability to properly size up a player and evaluate them YEAR AFTER YEAR!

Fire everyone. Trade everyone. This is all this town and its fan base knows.

Kadri spent more than 50% of his ice time with Marleau, Brown, Zaitsev. Those three guys are offense killers. Kadri is not superman. I mean be at least a little bit honest with yourselves from time to time.

its impossible to hate and hate all the time. thats too much negativity. I don't know how some of you can function in your personal lives on a day to day bases with this negativity.

Kadri the previous season saw a huge offensive output when spending time with players like Marner. I mean that right there tells you all you need to know about how good Kadri is.

Trading Kadri is a bad move. because then you have to replace him and GOOD LUCK! its never going to happen. You cannot replace him. With his term and cap number and how good he can be with real offensive players with talent and skill GM's will be lining up for Kadri and believe me they are.

I'm sick of the trade fire trade fire mentality of this town. YOU are part of the reason this team sucks. Now players are asking to get out as well. Lets at least keep the ones with talent that want to stay.

Get over yourselves. You dont know the game of hockey from atom. Its ok to have an opinion. Its ok to share that opinion. But make sure you word it so that it sounds like you are NOT stating facts. Cause your not.

I just wished Kadri would play most of the post season. But FACT is he doesn’t and it hurt the team two season in a row.

 

[diceman934]

When I played that was a 2 minute penalty. And the ref might just tell Jake to get da **** up before I hit you with a delay of game. It would have been over with an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. And the ref would have warned both teams to stop with running guys into the stanchin and then retaliating with a cross check. But unfortunately that game was run by a weak ref and it had gone amock. Hockey becoming more like Euro futball now which makes me sick. That was embarrassing what Jake did. He made a mockery of the game.

In that game alone there were several other plays that were worse. His stick did hit him high but the hit on Marleau was pure attempt to injury. Yet nothing. I am with you that the refs in that game were horrid.

 

[diceman934]

I just wished Kadri would play most of the post season. But FACT is he doesn’t and it hurt the team two season in a row.

Last years playoffs we won game 5 and 6 after he returned. This year we won game one with him and lost game two with him. Then won two more games and failed to win game 6 or 7.

 

[HolyCrap]

Last years playoffs we won game 5 and 6 after he returned. This year we won game one with him and lost game two with him. Then won two more games and failed to win game 6 or 7.

Yup. That’s why I said most of the post season. If he was in the lineup for all the games I think the outcome could have been different.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Makes more sense to trade him, get a cheaper 3rd line center and let Matthews and Tavares play more. There's no reason they can't each play 20 minutes a night.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

In that game alone there were several other plays that were worse. His stick did hit him high but the hit on Marleau was pure attempt to injury. Yet nothing. I am with you that the refs in that game were horrid.

I agree. Unfortunately my wife will not go to another NHL game with me now unless my kids are playing now because she was disgusted with how game was played and reffed. To each his/her own i guess. It is a different world nowadays in hockey. Much more politically correct. This came down too with Bettman. When you have a legal begal on top that's what you get.

 

[HC7]

<4M in Cap w/ Horton on IR.
Sign vet for cheap if Tim/March not ready/not 7th D in presser.
Muz, Brown for Pulju + Pick/Pros
Naz for Ras Andersson + Pick/Pros
22 + for w/e
12 + for w/e
Can deal Horton to NY for 1 season "cheap"
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