Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

Gary Nylund

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You can play injured, maybe even at 80% could be better than anyone in the minors.

If only they would let you play 80% of the games when you are suspended.

Maybe you should be allowed to play with 80% of equipment. Like play without hockey gloves and elbow pads? Second suspension and you lose your shin pads and jock strap and third suspension means no more skates.
 
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If Winnipeg have been given notice by Trouba that is isnt willing to sign an extension with them no matter what I could see them moving him for Kadri fairly close to 1 for 1.

Trouba could easily walk for the leafs as well so I would be really cautious. Leafs dont need another headache contract wise and trouba looks like a big **** around waiting to happen.

but that's what I said, "if we talk to trouba and get an extension before the trade". Once we do that then the deal would go up infinitely because Trouba is better than Kadri
 

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Unless the deal comes with Trouba willing to commit for 7 years, I don't trust his intentions to play in the US either.

I doubt Trouba signs for Rielly money.

He's RFA, compensation would be 1st. and 3rd. for someone in his salary range.

If he gets over 6.34, it would be 1st., 2nd. 3rd.

Could Leafs get a 1st. 2nd, and 3rd. for Kadri? I think so ... but not a high first.
 

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So let's say F, you hardly think G, and H could be addressed.

More fascinating stuff!

I'm glad you're fascinated however every team is different in it's make-up but players definitely have succeeded when traded to another team and people have also been saying Kadri is a 2nd line center and when he is traded to another team he could succeed.
 

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I doubt Trouba signs for Rielly money.

He's RFA, compensation would be 1st. and 3rd. for someone in his salary range.

If he gets over 6.34, it would be 1st., 2nd. 3rd.

Could Leafs get a 1st. 2nd, and 3rd. for Kadri? I think so ... but not a high first.
I don't expect Trouba to sign for less than 7 million. For how long is the question which I would hesitate on a short term deal. I don't trust he doesn't want to return to the US.
The cost depends on what Winnipeg wants vs. what Trouba intends to do.
If he does not want to sign in Winnipeg, then perhaps they are willing to take Kadri vs. draft picks to have someone in the lineup in an immediate hole filled/contributing way. So the value of Kadri to them, might be different because they want to win now as well.

Which leaves me with my reservations. Why doesn't Trouba want to sign? The money isn't enough? He doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or he doesn't want to play in Canada?
 

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Which leaves me with my reservations. Why doesn't Trouba want to sign? The money isn't enough? He doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or he doesn't want to play in Canada?

Could be any of them. Trouba wanted to sign a long-term deal 3 years ago, but Winnipeg didn't want to. Could be simple frustration with the organization.
 

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but that's what I said, "if we talk to trouba and get an extension before the trade". Once we do that then the deal would go up infinitely because Trouba is better than Kadri
You can sign extensions a year beforehand right?

I get that but from the Jets point of view they may never have gotten Trouba signed to an extension so may not value him that way. Who knows but unless both Marleau and Zaitsev are moved I doubt the leafs could afford Trouba's new deal.

Edit: sorry I thought trouba still had that 1 year deal left.
 

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Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.
 

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Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.

I find this hard to believe. The only way I can see a player deliberately crosschecking an opponent in the face and not getting a penalty is if the refs just didn't see it. Watch the replay again, I'm as big a Kadri fan as anyone but this was not a hockey play and "letting them play" doesn't mean that hitting players in the face with your stick is now allowed.
 
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I find this hard to believe. The only way I can see a player deliberately crosschecking an opponent in the face and not getting a penalty is if the refs just didn't see it. Watch the replay again, I'm as big a Kadri fan as anyone but this was not a hockey play and "letting them play" doesn't mean that hitting players in the face with your stick is now allowed.
So basically, timing is everything.

“Naz, you made that **** too obvious. Watch Marchand, he’s crafty and opportunistic. Do it where the ref can’t see.... now go ‘em!”
 

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I find this hard to believe. The only way I can see a player deliberately crosschecking an opponent in the face and not getting a penalty is if the refs just didn't see it. Watch the replay again, I'm as big a Kadri fan as anyone but this was not a hockey play and "letting them play" doesn't mean that hitting players in the face with your stick is now allowed.
He likely tried to hit him in face but did not succeed. His stick got lifted last millisecond by Jake and he hit shield. If he landed the cross check in the face then Jake would have been cut and likely concussed. If Jake got up right away it would have been a 2 minute penalty. Only reason everything escalated was because Jake stayed down. Jake likely learned from Marchand. His dad would have got up. Most honest players have learned to get up right away unless you can't. Kadri has the same reputation. Jake, Kadri and Marchand now all in same boat. There are so many modern players who do not abide by the code. Makes me sick.
 

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Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.

I'm a Kadri fan but he has a reputation and it's deserved.
So Babcock needs to take him off the ice so he doesn't get into trouble? Nahhhh Naz needs to either drop the gloves or suck it up when defending a teammate.
On the other side of the coin, he's 28 and a very good deal, and we could get a pretty good haul for him. Playing 3C doesn't seem to be doing much for him - but then again he did play with PM and Brown.
 

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So basically, timing is everything.

“Naz, you made that **** too obvious. Watch Marchand, he’s crafty and opportunistic. Do it where the ref can’t see.... now go ‘em!”

I don't want Marchand on my team but certainly doing what he does (always seems to be in control of his emotions) is better for the team.

He likely tried to hit him in face but did not succeed. His stick got lifted last millisecond by Jake and he hit shield. If he landed the cross check in the face then Jake would have been cut and likely concussed. If Jake got up right away it would have been a 2 minute penalty. Only reason everything escalated was because Jake stayed down. Jake likely learned from Marchand. His dad would have got up. Most honest players have learned to get up right away unless you can't. Kadri has the same reputation. Jake, Kadri and Marchand now all in same boat. There are so many modern players who do not abide by the code. Makes me sick.

LOL no, watch the replay. His stick is heading for the top of his head and at the last second, there's a downward motion so hits him right in the shield instead. The top of the helmet wasn't good enough, he needed to hit him in the face, lucky the shield didn't break. And nothing "escalated", Kadri did something dumb and was punished for it, that's it. Not the first time either but you know that, right?

IMHO deliberately cross checking someone in the face with your stick is disgusting, dangerous and hockey would be better off without that kind of garbage. You don't GAF and what bothers you about this incident is "the code"? What are we, the mafia?

To each his own I guess.
 

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Matthews has missed more games than Kadri the last couple of years, no?

People trust injury prone players to dress up in the playoffs. It should be no different for suspension prone players, really.


people trust their superstar injury prone players yes.
I mean Bergeron is what one could call injury prone, but you know when he comes back, he's not really missing a beat and continuing to be impactful out there. Hell, we all remember the time he was playing with a collapsed lung and broken ribs and he was still making a positive difference on the ice. (and for the record, I never condone people playing through injury). if it got to the point where Bergeron was never healthy to the point he was detrimental to the team i'd reckon that yeah. people would stop trusting him to help the team move forward and want to move him out and make moves to replace him.

When Lupul was the engine that helped make this team go. (good gravy) - a lot of his injuries were not "preventable." He could not prevent having a bad back, he could not prevent having an infection from the surgery. He could not prevent Dion's slapshot breaking his arm, and he could not prevent two Philadelphia Flyers playing ping-pong with his body. and when it got to a point that his injuries were impacting the team (among other things), the Leafs stopped trusting him and literally made him go away.

Unless someone was completely stupid out there, i don't know if i'd say that "every injury is preventable." as you put it, ie: Matthews keeping his head up (as his concussion actually came from he and Rielly colliding into each other accidentally. There a lot of people who can take that Trouba hit (which was a clean shoulder on shoulder, Matthews driving to the net ) who could walk away from that. Injuries are weird because the same hit could leave someone concussed and someone completely fine. it's just where you end up hitting them.

I will call dirty is as dirty as, and Marchand (for example) was (and is) one dumb dirty bunny. and his teammates and management took him to task (several) times. But has Marchand actually been suspended in the playoffs?

If we're actually going to argue preventable, then sure. Kadri's back to back suspensions were preventable. as in he didn't need to do it. if people want to claim "but he was defending his teammate tho." fine. he didn't need to smash Wingles the way he did. He didn't need to take his stick and cross check DeBrusk in the head. regardless of how people want to justify it. (and i'm not exusing the reffing or DeBrusk's actions). but people never want to put the blame where it belongs.

On Naz. it was his action that ultimately got himself suspended. he's almost 30. He's not a rookie.
If he needs a babysitter, or certain type of players so he can not be a bonehead then he needs to be traded (note: we've had these type of players on the team and he still got himself suspended).

if he's incapable of not being dirty and hitting people in the head and then getting suspended for it (constantly) - then he needs to be traded.

if he's incapable of not being able of picking and choosing his battles to defend someone (or himself - which I will argue that you should do), then he should be traded.

If he's incapable of playing really good third line minutes and producing really well, then he should be traded for someone who can play with limited opportunities (which isn't even a slam. some players need a lot more time/ice/opportunity to get things going. some people can generate a lot playing third/fourth line minutes).

not to mention (on top of it all). we'll have to trade him eventually. he'll want more money than what we can afford, and i'd rather trade him while he still has more value to us vs. continually shooting his trade value and our team in the foot.

I have the faith that Matthews can continue to grow into his body pack on more muscle and prevent some of these injuries from happening (same with Malkin, same with Bergeron, same with Crosby).

I do not have the faith that if someone pisses Kadri off, he won't do a dirty hit in retaliation, preventing the team from potentially winning not only the game - but the series and potentially the cup.

and to me. that should trump anything. even liking a certain player, but apparently not.
 
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Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.

I agree with all of this, but, frankly, I support what Kadri did, even if it got him suspended. Someone needed to deal some damage back. And we did. And they ended up getting more injured than we did, despite them running around like assholes the whole series trying to hurt our players.

The outcome of the series was coin flip either way.
 

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So basically, timing is everything.

“Naz, you made that **** too obvious. Watch Marchand, he’s crafty and opportunistic. Do it where the ref can’t see.... now go ‘em!”

Are you trying to be sarcastic? Because what you said is right. Don't do dumb dirty stuff directly in front of the refs, especially if it's not taking out one of their stars with you.

If he got his retaliation on Bergeron or Pastrnak instead, it's dumb but at least the series stays even. Hitting a 3rd/4th liner, not even taking them out of the series, and getting suspended over it does not keep the series even.

Marchand knows what he does is effective and he's learned to get good at it. Kadri does whatever is going to make himself feel temporarily better. Doesn't matter if that thing is cross checking a 3rd liner in the visor directly in front of the refs.
 
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Are you trying to be sarcastic? Because what you said is right. Don't do dumb dirty stuff directly in front of the refs, especially if it's not taking out one of their stars with you.

If he got his retaliation on Bergeron or Pastrnak instead, it's dumb but at least the series stays even. Hitting a 3rd/4th liner, not even taking them out of the series, and getting suspended over it does not keep the series even.

Marchand knows what he does is effective and he's learned to get good at it. Kadri does whatever is going to make himself feel temporarily better. Doesn't matter if that thing is cross checking a 3rd liner in the visor directly in front of the refs.
Every sport is all about what the referee can see.

I’m just cheeky.
 

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I agree with all of this, but, frankly, I support what Kadri did, even if it got him suspended. Someone needed to deal some damage back. And we did. And they ended up getting more injured than we did, despite them running around like *******s the whole series trying to hurt our players.

The outcome of the series was coin flip either way.

If Kadri doesn't get suspended, maybe we win this "coin flip".

I find it just incredible that anyone would approve of cross checking a player in the face and it's beyond comprehension that you'd approve, even it potentially cost us the cup.

All I want is to win the cup and we could have done it this season.
 
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Lets not down play the fact as players age their performance declines, lets not down play that Kadri's decline is due to Kadri not capitalizing on shots he would normally score on, lets not down play that Kadri's entire game was off last year, call it post marriage blues, call it aging, call it what ever you want but most GM's would have questions about his ability to be that legit #2 center.

Why? One year trumps his whole career?

You literally listed like 10 different factors but then just say meh he’s not a legit 2c lol.

Beauty
 

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this town proves its lack of hockey knowledge and its inability to properly size up a player and evaluate them YEAR AFTER YEAR!

Fire everyone. Trade everyone. This is all this town and its fan base knows.

Kadri spent more than 50% of his ice time with Marleau, Brown, Zaitsev. Those three guys are offense killers. Kadri is not superman. I mean be at least a little bit honest with yourselves from time to time.

its impossible to hate and hate all the time. thats too much negativity. I don't know how some of you can function in your personal lives on a day to day bases with this negativity.

Kadri the previous season saw a huge offensive output when spending time with players like Marner. I mean that right there tells you all you need to know about how good Kadri is.

Trading Kadri is a bad move. because then you have to replace him and GOOD LUCK! its never going to happen. You cannot replace him. With his term and cap number and how good he can be with real offensive players with talent and skill GM's will be lining up for Kadri and believe me they are.

I'm sick of the trade fire trade fire mentality of this town. YOU are part of the reason this team sucks. Now players are asking to get out as well. Lets at least keep the ones with talent that want to stay.

Get over yourselves. You dont know the game of hockey from atom. Its ok to have an opinion. Its ok to share that opinion. But make sure you word it so that it sounds like you are NOT stating facts. Cause your not.
 
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Let's be clear here, Kadri is not a loose cannon.

What Kadri did and got suspended for happens a lot and many times doesnt even get 2 minutes.

The issue with Kadri is he is on thin ice with the officials. They think it's ok to hurt him, take shots at him, knee on knee, smash his head into the boards. But it's not ok for him to make any mistake.

Kadri's problem is that he thought the refs decided to let them "play" and put the whistles away. He didn't realize that when it comes to him the whistle is in the pocket when he's the target and it's in the mouth when he is hitting.

It's not fair but he needs to accept that. So does the coach and his team. When the officials were letting that game go out of hand and it was quite lost - and the Broons game plan was to target him until he reacts, Babcock should have taken control of the situation - keep Kadri away from Debrusk and manage the lines. And Kadri should make sure any hits he throws are 150% legal. Don't even drop the gloves.

Excuses.
 

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If Kadri doesn't get suspended, maybe we win this "coin flip".

I find it just incredible that anyone would approve of cross checking a player in the face and it's beyond comprehension that you'd approve, even it potentially cost us the cup.

All I want is to win the cup and we could have done it this season.

I'm on board with the cross check, just not to a 3rd liner, and not in the visor where he's fine to play the next shift.

If you're going to do something dumb, do it well and do it at the right person at least. There's no win or even draw scenario hitting Debrusk.
 

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this town proves its lack of hockey knowledge and its inability to properly size up a player and evaluate them YEAR AFTER YEAR!

Fire everyone. Trade everyone. This is all this town and its fan base knows.

Kadri spent more than 50% of his ice time with Marleau, Brown, Zaitsev. Those three guys are offense killers. Kadri is not superman. I mean be at least a little bit honest with yourselves from time to time.

its impossible to hate and hate all the time. thats too much negativity. I don't know how some of you can function in your personal lives on a day to day bases with this negativity.

Kadri the previous season saw a huge offensive output when spending time with players like Marner. I mean that right there tells you all you need to know about how good Kadri is.

Trading Kadri is a bad move. because then you have to replace him and GOOD LUCK! its never going to happen. You cannot replace him. With his term and cap number and how good he can be with real offensive players with talent and skill GM's will be lining up for Kadri and believe me they are.

I'm sick of the trade fire trade fire mentality of this town. YOU are part of the reason this team sucks. Now players are asking to get out as well. Lets at least keep the ones with talent that want to stay.

Get over yourselves. You dont know the game of hockey from atom. Its ok to have an opinion. Its ok to share that opinion. But make sure you word it so that it sounds like you are NOT stating facts. Cause your not.

So much selective positioning here. Let’s get to the heart of it.

You don’t want to trade him. And selectively present data that supports it.

Omitting the Kadri played first line PP with someone named Tavares and not Bozak this year is an example. Playing sheltered 3rd and 4th line minutes is another.

That’s fine. You like having him on the roster and HOPE that the 6th time is a charm.

You HOPE that we can ideally get through 4 rounds of playoff hockey without him doing something stupid.

You HOPE.

It’s best to have a contingency plan in place because he has showed us that we cannot rely on him.
 

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I'm on board with the cross check, just not to a 3rd liner, and not in the visor where he's fine to play the next shift.

IMO any crosscheck above the shoulders is unacceptable under any circumstances and should be an automatic suspension. Do we need someone to suffer a broken neck before we get rid of this nonsense?

If you're going to do something dumb, do it well and do it at the right person at least. There's no win or even draw scenario hitting Debrusk.

This I agree with but there's dumb and then there's dumb (still not condoning a crosscheck to the head/face/neck).
 
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