Salary Cap: Nazem “Suspension” Kadri – Cap casualty?

[MyBudJT]

There is the thing. For everyone who keeps banging the drum about how Kadri learned his lesson (again), and how he wouldn't do something like this. (again), -how many times does Nazem Kadri has to burn this team with his action under the guise of "defending a teammate", or "being sandpaper-y" or "being passionate" or what other ad hominem you'd like before it's acknowledge that his behaviour when he gets mad is a detriment to the team?

The 2nd round?
Third?
Cup finals?

because i remember last year when Naz got suspended during the regular season that everyone kept saying well it's the regular season, he'd never do something like that in the playoffs. then he did it int he playoffs, and it's "well he'll learn now - he wouldn't jeopardize this team." and then he did it again.


i don't know nor understand how people can trust a literal ticking time bomb that if you get under his skin - he'll do something completely bonkers. even his biggest defenders in the media can acknowledge it. i'm just wondering where the line is for people.

thanks for your service - trade him get someone who can do this job and more importantly be dependable.

Matthews has missed more games than Kadri the last couple of years, no?

People trust injury prone players to dress up in the playoffs. It should be no different for suspension prone players, really.

 

[Mattavarner]

I hope we dont trade for Trouba without at least a rough idea of what he'd cost to sign, if not a deal in place already

 

[Trapper]

Matthews has missed more games than Kadri the last couple of years, no?

People trust injury prone players to dress up in the playoffs. It should be no different for suspension prone players, really.

I think her post was saying something different from getting injured to being foolish.
Bergeron gets injured as well. Marchand does foolish things. Luckily, he gets away with more of them.

Getting injured is not in your control.

 

[Pookie]

There is the thing. For everyone who keeps banging the drum about how Kadri learned his lesson (again), and how he wouldn't do something like this. (again), -how many times does Nazem Kadri has to burn this team with his action under the guise of "defending a teammate", or "being sandpaper-y" or "being passionate" or what other ad hominem you'd like before it's acknowledge that his behaviour when he gets mad is a detriment to the team?

The 2nd round?
Third?
Cup finals?

because i remember last year when Naz got suspended during the regular season that everyone kept saying well it's the regular season, he'd never do something like that in the playoffs. then he did it int he playoffs, and it's "well he'll learn now - he wouldn't jeopardize this team." and then he did it again.


i don't know nor understand how people can trust a literal ticking time bomb that if you get under his skin - he'll do something completely bonkers. even his biggest defenders in the media can acknowledge it. i'm just wondering where the line is for people.

thanks for your service - trade him get someone who can do this job and more importantly be dependable.

Bingo.

 

[MyBudJT]

I think her post was saying something different from getting injured to being foolish.
Bergeron gets injured as well. Marchand does foolish things. Luckily, he gets away with more of them.

Getting injured is not in your contro.

I disagree, a lot of injuries are in your control.

 

[TakeTheBody]

Sean Avery. Needs to be in the news. Yawn.

 

[Pookie]

Matthews has missed more games than Kadri the last couple of years, no?

People trust injury prone players to dress up in the playoffs. It should be no different for suspension prone players, really.

Got to disagree.

With an injury, you have medical advice as to the health of the injured area. You can assess the function of the area.

Eg. Medical advice says Horton can never play again. Medical advice says that Andersen’s groin has healed and he can return to play.

Player choices are wildcards.

But if someone shows you repeated behaviour in 5 of 7 seasons... you’ve got a pretty good idea what kind of player they are.

Being suspended when it matters is a waste of cap space. We can improve the roster by moving Kadri.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews has missed more games than Kadri the last couple of years, no?

People trust injury prone players to dress up in the playoffs. It should be no different for suspension prone players, really.

It's an interesting question IMO - injury risk vs suspension risk. If a player isn't able to play, does it matter if it's because of injury or suspension? The simple answer is that no it doesn't. Think about it some more though and it's not so clear, at least not to me.

Injury risk I assume is the same in the regular season and playoffs, but what about suspension risk? It's a question worth asking because Kadri has only been in the playoffs 3 times and 2 out of 3 times, he didn't get very far before suspended. His suspensions seem to happen because he's unable to control his emotions which leads me to wonder - could his suspension risk be higher in the playoffs where the stakes are higher and emotions get racheted up? The sample size is small so I don't see that we have a conclusive answer but at the same time, it seems like a logical question to ask as it seems very possible that there is a connection there.

It's definitely worth thinking about and IMO, management should be thinking about it long and hard before deciding what to do with Kadri. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the risk of this happening again (counselling is the most obvious thing that comes to mind)? If they decide that Kadri can be helped and the risk reduced to the point where it's negligible than that would be great as he's a very valuable asset. I'm not sure how likely that is, I would guess that changing the way people react on a primal level wouldn't be an easy thing to do but I really wouldn't know as it's not my area of expertise. If they can great but it not and they can't be confident that this won't happen again then he needs to be traded as he's simply too valuable an asset to have not contributing when it counts the most. Whatever they decide, they better get it right as this simply can not happen again.

 

[Budsfan]

People here want to do everything possible to accommodate Kadri and not the other way around and not to mention that he is a loose cannon and you never know which way he will react to a player that gets under his skin.
His fans want to strip wingers from the Matthews and Tavares lines, so he can score more goals and play on the power play.
Kadri doesn't play on the PK because he can't, so his fans want either Matthews or Tavares lines to play on the PK as a shutdown line and have less time playing at even strength or on the PP.
When are people going to wake up and trade him to another team and let them accommodate his inabilities and as for replacing him, Boston got Charlie Coyle at the deadline and he has less cap hit and makes Kadri look like an AHL player as a 3rd line centre?

 

[Isaac Nootin]

People here want to do everything possible to accommodate Kadri and not the other way around and not to mention that he is a loose cannon and you never know which way he will react to a player that gets under his skin.
His fans want to strip wingers from the Matthews and Tavares lines, so he can score more goals and play on the power play.
Kadri doesn't play on the PK because he can't, so his fans want either Matthews or Tavares lines to play on the PK as a shutdown line and have less time playing at even strength or on the PP.
When are people going to wake up and trade him to another team and let them accommodate his inabilities and as for replacing him, Boston got Charlie Coyle at the deadline and he has less cap hit and makes Kadri look like an AHL player as a 3rd line centre?

This post......this post is a complete mess.

 

[thewave]

Kadri was targeted abused, attempts to injure, he reacted. No fault, blame the refs that made the situation happen, same league that basically handed BoS series. There was enough BS to make mestop watching hockey. Will tune in now though since Chara got his Karma.

 

[Budsfan]

This post......this post is a complete mess.

But it's all true.

 

[Gary Nylund]

People here want to do everything possible to accommodate Kadri and not the other way around and not to mention that he is a loose cannon and you never know which way he will react to a player that gets under his skin.
His fans want to strip wingers from the Matthews and Tavares lines, so he can score more goals and play on the power play.
Kadri doesn't play on the PK because he can't, so his fans want either Matthews or Tavares lines to play on the PK as a shutdown line and have less time playing at even strength or on the PP.
When are people going to wake up and trade him to another team and let them accommodate his inabilities and as for replacing him, Boston got Charlie Coyle at the deadline and he has less cap hit and makes Kadri look like an AHL player as a 3rd line centre?

So much wrong in this post, I'll just point out the most obvious.

Coyle is on a roll in these playoffs and playing way better than he ever has played up to this point in his career but Kadri's career as a whole is a tier above Coyle. The idea that Coyle makes Kadri look like an AHL player is just

Boston made a TDL pickup that's worked out amazing, good for them. The low price they paid should tell you something about what Coyle's value was considered to be (much lower than Kadri) which has dick all to do with Kadri anyway.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This post......this post is a complete mess.

Accurate and an understatement if anything.

 

[Trapper]

I disagree, a lot of injuries are in your control.

Which injuries should be more in Matthew's control?

 

[I am Canadian]

If we can turn Kadri into a top 4 RHD, or best case Trouba, you take that everyday, sign a 3rd line for a few bucks and lean heavily on Matthews + Tavares

Here's a quick example - Trouba to Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

One more year of Hainsey gives Dermott a year to get accustomed to the right side and time for Liljegren to develop further.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Kadri doesn't play on the PK because he can't,

No because babcock chooses not to play him

 

[Budsfan]

So much wrong in this post, I'll just point out the most obvious.

Coyle is on a roll in these playoffs and playing way better than he ever has played up to this point in his career but Kadri's career as a whole is a tier above Coyle. The idea that Coyle makes Kadri look like an AHL player is just

Boston made a TDL pickup that's worked out amazing, good for them. The low price they paid should tell you something about what Coyle's value was considered to be (much lower than Kadri) which has dick all to do with Kadri anyway.

Charlie Coyle has never played 2nd line centre, with the wingers Kadri has had, like Marner and yes Marleau when he was playing well, if Kadri had played as a shutdown 3rd centre role for his career, I wonder if he would look like a tier above Coyle, we are talking about two players with different career paths and I did state as a third line player.

 

[Walshy7]

If we talk to trouba and agree an extension before trade then the deal means we will add significantly to kadri.

1RHD>>>>>>2C

2C may even be generous but give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Charlie Coyle has never played 2nd line centre, with the wingers Kadri has had, like Marner and yes Marleau when he was playing well, if Kadri had played as a shutdown 3rd centre role for his career, I wonder if he would look like a tier above Coyle, we are talking about two players with different career paths and I did state as a third line player.

So A has never happened and if B had happened then I wonder if C would have happened.

Fascinating stuff!

 

[ULF_55]

You can play injured, maybe even at 80% could be better than anyone in the minors.

If only they would let you play 80% of the games when you are suspended.

 

[Budsfan]

So A has never happened and if B had happened then I wonder if C would have happened.

Fascinating stuff!

Let's say if the Leafs had Mathews and Tavares at the start of Kadri's career, I hardly think Kadri would ever have ever been a 2nd line centre, our centre pool is definitely lacking and still is but it could be addressed, as Boston has shown with the Coyle trade.

 

[Trapper]

I hope we dont trade for Trouba without at least a rough idea of what he'd cost to sign, if not a deal in place already

Unless the deal comes with Trouba willing to commit for 7 years, I don't trust his intentions to play in the US either.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Let's say if the Leafs had Mathews and Tavares at the start of Kadri's career, I hardly think Kadri would ever have ever been a 2nd line centre, our centre pool is definitely lacking and still is but it could be addressed, as Boston has shown with the Coyle trade.

So let's say F, you hardly think G, and H could be addressed.

More fascinating stuff!

 

[Ziggdiezan]

If we talk to trouba and agree an extension before trade then the deal means we will add significantly to kadri.

1RHD>>>>>>2C

2C may even be generous but give him the benefit of the doubt.

If Winnipeg have been given notice by Trouba that is isnt willing to sign an extension with them no matter what I could see them moving him for Kadri fairly close to 1 for 1.

Trouba could easily walk for the leafs as well so I would be really cautious. Leafs dont need another headache contract wise and trouba looks like a big f*** around waiting to happen.