Nathan MacKinnon, on par with the best in business?

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What is even the argument for MacKinnon over McDavid?

One has achieved much more in the league. Even last season McDavid posted a playoff run MacKinnon will never match.
and yet still Looked very average in game 7 with the Cup on the line. He us human after all.
I like Mackinnon over McDavid this season. By a nose.
 

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and yet still Looked very average in game 7 with the Cup on the line. He us human after all.
I like Mackinnon over McDavid this season. By a nose.
Mackinnon is a great player.
Hasn't done much without the once in a lifetime roster around him that he had in 2022 where he finished 4th in team scoring in the SCF, and third on his team in overall scoring.
 

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Mackinnon is a great player.
Hasn't done much without the once in a lifetime roster around him that he had in 2022 where he finished 4th in team scoring in the SCF, and third on his team in overall scoring.
I heard he won a Hart and Art Ross last season.
 

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"I don't like McDavid or the Oilers"
Yes, that must be why a person would choose MacK over McDavid. Couldn't be any other reason, like maybe they like the fact MacK has an "edge" to his game, where McDavid is more "finesse". There could be many reason(s) to why people like who they like, just because it isn't your guy does not automatically mean they don't like him or the team. If it was me and I had to choose a player to start my team from, I would go Makar, but I also look at the whole of hockey and not just guys that can put up points. more to hockey than that, but anyways...
 

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and yet still Looked very average in game 7 with the Cup on the line. He us human after all.
I like Mackinnon over McDavid this season. By a nose.
Mackinnon isn't looking much better in game 7s. I would take Mack over McDavid on some given nights but McDavid is just much more consistent overall IMO.
 
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I mean yeah he's a great player but I'm not even sure this season is better than last. He's on pace for less than 30 goals. Drai has been playing excellent this year and so has Kuch. Not sure he's separated himself from tier 1B yet.
 

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Yes, that must be why a person would choose MacK over McDavid. Couldn't be any other reason, like maybe they like the fact MacK has an "edge" to his game, where McDavid is more "finesse". There could be many reason(s) to why people like who they like, just because it isn't your guy does not automatically mean they don't like him or the team. If it was me and I had to choose a player to start my team from, I would go Makar, but I also look at the whole of hockey and not just guys that can put up points. more to hockey than that, but anyways...
Or I’m an avalanche fan
 

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Yes, that must be why a person would choose MacK over McDavid. Couldn't be any other reason, like maybe they like the fact MacK has an "edge" to his game, where McDavid is more "finesse". There could be many reason(s) to why people like who they like, just because it isn't your guy does not automatically mean they don't like him or the team. If it was me and I had to choose a player to start my team from, I would go Makar, but I also look at the whole of hockey and not just guys that can put up points. more to hockey than that, but anyways...
Good points.
I'm the Mackinnon over McDavid guy.....if I could only have one.
Oilers vs Aves? I'll pull for Oilers like I did in 22.
 
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Weird that this even needs to be asked. IMO. he is #2 behind McDavid. Then Kuch then Drai
There really isn't a sound argument for what he has done to create any separation from Kucherov. Objectively, McDavid has an argument over every player in the league. MacKinnon doesn't really have a strong argument for being better than a handful of players(Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews)
 

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There really isn't a sound argument for what he has done to create any separation from Kucherov. Objectively, McDavid has an argument over every player in the league. MacKinnon doesn't really have a strong argument for being better than a handful of players(Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews)
One of them isn't like the others :sarcasm:
 
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I don't know... I mean he WAS a non-factor for the first two and a half periods of game 7 of this year's SCF. Florida made a coaching adjustment and stuck a guy to him just as he was entering the offensive blue line, so he wasn't able to generate any speed while entering the offensive zone. At some point he made the adjustment and started accelerating in the neutral zone, but there was only about 10 minutes left in the third period when he started getting going.

If your point was, "well he required a coaching adjustment from Florida so by definition that means he was a huge factor," of course you're right but Florida was able to shut him down for the most part whenever the series was close, which I think is more important.

MacKinnon's a different beast altogether. Even if you stop him scoring, he'll still contribute physically and have an impact on the game. Obviously both these players are paid to put up points (and McD is better at that) but I think I'd rather have MacK on my team a playoff must win if I'm being honest, he's right there offensively and has other relevant ways to impact the game. Can't go wrong with either player though
Agree. In a big game/ series.

Mack over McD
Mario over Wayne
Sid over OV
 

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McDavid literally just won the Smyth on a losing team.....replace him with literally anyone and they still lose that series.
Yes. He was and is Fantastic. I watched the entire series.
This season I still take Mack over McD. If I was starting a team and could only pick one of them
You wouldn't. I get that.
Cheers
 

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People talk about MacKinnon having more of an edge because his skating style looks more aggressive.

McDavid consistently records more hits than MacKinnon, including over double last season.
 

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In a big game/ series.
Mack over McD
Mario over Wayne
Sid over OV
All wrong:
Most PPG When Facing Elimination in Playoff games:
McD=1.64 >> Mack=.77
Wayne=1.45 > Mario=1.40
Ovi=.83 > Sid=.77
Points When Facing Elimination in Playoff games:
GPGAP
Wayne Gretzky
22​
11​
21​
32​
Alex Ovechkin
29​
13​
11​
24​
Connor McDavid
14​
8​
15​
23​
Mario Lemieux
15​
9​
12​
21​
Sidney Crosby
22​
4​
13​
17​
Nathan MacKinnon
13​
3​
7​
10​
 
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PaulD

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All wrong:
Most PPG When Facing Elimination in Playoff games:
McD=1.64 >> Mack=.77
Wayne=1.45 > Mario=1.40
Ovi=.83 > Sid=.77
Points When Facing Elimination in Playoff games:
GPGAP
Wayne Gretzky
22​
11​
21​
32​
Alex Ovechkin
29​
13​
11​
24​
Connor McDavid
14​
8​
15​
23​
Mario Lemieux
15​
9​
12​
21​
Sidney Crosby
22​
4​
13​
17​
Nathan MacKinnon
13​
3​
7​
10​
None are wrong .
These are my personal picks among great players.
I look to more than my smart phone when picking and comparing players.
 

Randyne

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None are wrong .
These are my personal picks among great players.
I look to more than my smart phone when picking and comparing players.

Mack is not carrying his team:
COL with Mack P%=.591
COL w/o Mack P%=.623
Even in his SC season Mack wasn't carrying his team (he missed 17 games):
COL with Mack P%=.708
COL w/o Mack P%=.794

McDavid carrying his team by a lot:
EDM with McDavid P%=.581
EDM w/o McDavid P%=.458

Their teams P% w/o them:
COL .623 >> EDM .458
Even with McDavid EDM is worse than COL without Mackinnon.
Switch them, and McDavid with multiple cups already.

teamwith-w/oplayerGPP%P% impact
WSHwithAlexander Ovechkin1444.611+.152
WSHw/oAlexander Ovechkin61.459
EDMwithConnor McDavid664.581+.123
EDMw/oConnor McDavid59.458
EDM/LAKwithWayne Gretzky*1173.587+.087
EDM/LAKw/oWayne Gretzky*83.500
PITwithMario Lemieux*745.540+.033
PITw/oMario Lemieux*275.507
PITwithSidney Crosby1295.605
PITw/oSidney Crosby213.634–.029
COLwithNathan MacKinnon812.591
COLw/oNathan MacKinnon73.623–.032

*WG seasons 1979/80-1994/95 EDM+LAK
*ML seasons 1984/85-1996/97
 
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PaulD

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Mack is not carrying his team:
COL with Mack P%=.591
COL w/o Mack P%=.623
Even in his SC season Mack wasn't carrying his team (he missed 17 games):
COL with Mack P%=.708
COL w/o Mack P%=.794

McDavid carrying his team by a lot:
EDM with McDavid P%=.581
EDM w/o McDavid P%=.458

Their teams P% w/o them:
COL .623 >> EDM .458
Even with McDavid EDM is worse than COL without Mackinnon.
Switch them, and McDavid with multiple cups already.
Good accounting
I'll still take Mack over McDavid.

Some guys prefer the Porche.....some guys prefer the Vette ......
 
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