Nathan MacKinnon, on par with the best in business?

[PaulD]

No kidding. Some guys prefer facts, others prefer feelings.

Some guys can't think without a calculator.

 

[PainForShane]

No kidding. Some guys prefer facts, others prefer feelings.

Yep. And the fact is McDavid was pointless in both game 7s last year, one against Vancouver and one against Florida. The rest of the Edm team was good enough to win against Vancouver but not good enough to win against Florida.

Also, the fact is that MacKinnon isn't some scrub, to no one's surprise he won the Hart last year (over a healthy McDavid I might add) in no small part because he has more dimensions to his game. The fact is McD is a better player than someone like RNH or Warren Foegele, but MacK is arguably at the same level or potentially slightly better (hence this thread).

You can keep going if you want. There is no fact that McD is the ideal person that everyone would pick in a 7 game series. What you have is a feeling, same as @PaulD. The way I feel, if McD were really that good, he would've scored a couple of points in game 7 and Edmonton would've had a cup parade. At least so far, he hasn't able to get it done.

For what it's worth, I really do hope he does sometime. But until then, it's completely reasonable to prefer a different player who provides about the same level of offense, is likely a better dressing room leader, and has also factually gotten it done (unlike McD at least so far) all the while having a more complete game

 

[PaulD]

No kidding. Some guys prefer facts, others prefer feelings.

LOL

 

[PuckG]

Yep. And the fact is McDavid was pointless in both game 7s last year, one against Vancouver and one against Florida. The rest of the Edm team was good enough to win against Vancouver but not good enough to win against Florida.

Also, the fact is that MacKinnon isn't some scrub, to no one's surprise he won the Hart last year (over a healthy McDavid I might add) in no small part because he has more dimensions to his game. The fact is McD is a better player than someone like RNH or Warren Foegele, but MacK is arguably at the same level or potentially slightly better (hence this thread).

You can keep going if you want. There is no fact that McD is the ideal person that everyone would pick in a 7 game series. What you have is a feeling, same as @PaulD. The way I feel, if McD were really that good, he would've scored a couple of points in game 7 and Edmonton would've had a cup parade. At least so far, he hasn't able to get it done.

For what it's worth, I really do hope he does sometime. But until then, it's completely reasonable to prefer a different player who provides about the same level of offense, is likely a better dressing room leader, and has also factually gotten it done (unlike McD at least so far) all the while having a more complete game

The bolded is blatantly incorrect when statistics prove otherwise. Reference the previous page.

 

[PainForShane]

The bolded is blatantly incorrect when statistics prove otherwise. Reference the previous page.

Do statistics prove that McDavid had a point in either game 7 last year and / or that's he's won a cup so far is his career? Because that's what I was referencing in my post.

If they do, would love to see it. Thx in advance

 

[PuckG]

Do statistics prove that McDavid had a point in either game 7 last year and / or that's he's won a cup so far is his career? Because that's what I was referencing in my post.

If they do, would love to see it. Thx in advance

The statistics show a clear discrepancy in McDavid vs MacKinnon in elimination games, yes.

They also show a clear discrepancy in McDavid’s impact on his team relative to MacKinnon’s impact on his.

Once again, reference the previous page.

It’s perfectly fine to have a preference for a player, but irrespective of that, one player is objectively better than the other and it is very clear who.

That’s not even taking into account MacKinnon having a Norris level defenceman playing behind him and a substantially better surrounding core.

 

[PainForShane]

The statistics show a clear discrepancy in McDavid vs MacKinnon in elimination games, yes.

They also show a clear discrepancy in McDavid’s impact on his team relative to MacKinnon’s impact on his.

Once again, reference the previous page.

It’s perfectly fine to have a preference for a player, but irrespective of that, one player is objectively better than the other and it is very clear who.

That’s not even taking into account MacKinnon having a Norris level defenceman playing behind him and a substantially better surrounding core.

I didn't ask you to move the goalposts. I asked you whether your statistics "prove that McDavid had a point in either game 7 last year and / or that's he's won a cup so far is his career?" It's right there in the extremely short (2-sentence) post you quoted.

Based on your most recent answer, it appears they do not.

In the meantime, according to you, "it's perfectly fine to have a preference for the player" and I'd like to go a step further, if that player was the most recent league MVP it's even more understandable to have a preference for that player. This is regardless of the other stuff I mentioned which I noticed you failed to address.

If you honestly believe what you wrote in the bolded above (ie 'it's perfectly fine to have a preference for a player'), I'd encourage you to get over yourself. Opinions are opinions, facts are facts. What you have is an opinion, same as me and PaulD. All our viewpoints are equally valid so long as we can back them up (and with players this close in ability / impact, you can definitely make an argument for either player)

 

[olli]

There really isn't a sound argument for what he has done to create any separation from Kucherov. Objectively, McDavid has an argument over every player in the league. MacKinnon doesn't really have a strong argument for being better than a handful of players(Kucherov, McDavid, Matthews)

He absolutely has a strong argument over Matthews, anyone saying Matthews is as good as MacKinnon is delusional