Confirmed with Link: Nathan Horton to Toronto for David Clarkson
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mouser
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Thanks for the link. I think that reinforces my guess on what happened regards insurance.
Presuming this insurance was under the NHL league-wide blanket policy--a safe assumption in my opinion--the team would have had to pay an extra fee to have Horton's contract insured in 2013-2014. Horton's contract should have been eligible for the group insurance to kick in starting with the 2014-2015 season, if he was healthy at that time. Likely with an exclusion that his contract wasn't insured for a recurrence of the shoulder injury.
But by the time 2014-2015 came around he was no longer acceptable to the group insurance plan due to his back problems.
.... Even if he put up 25 goals he wouldn't be worth his contract. Hes a poor skater, he' had possibly the worst balance in the league, and he isn't able to make plays, oh and he's not very good defensively.
New Jersey fans warned about all his faults right when we signed him and they shined brilliantly in his short tenure here.
I'm happy he's gone and hope he at least makes himself useful in a Columbus jersey.
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I'm imagining a Hartnell-Dubinsky-Clarkson line. I'm seeing a very angry Crosby. This bring a smirk to my face.
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I think Clarkson is a 20 goal guy. I really do, I just don't think much of his skating or passing ability though.
20 goals, 15 assists for 5.5M is a lot better than nothing for 5.5M. I know you guys are disappointed but that's the best I could say.
Clarkson stands up for teammates but he also takes some really stupid penalties. I truly hope he turns it around in Columbus and exceeds your expectations. I think he put a lot of undue pressure on himself to prove his worth to the fans here and in the end it backfired on him because he couldn't accomplish much at all for the team and it was likely weighing on his mind.
A fresh start and still being close to his family should help him.
20 goals, 15 assists for 5.5M is a lot better than nothing for 5.5M. I know you guys are disappointed but that's the best I could say.
Clarkson stands up for teammates but he also takes some really stupid penalties. I truly hope he turns it around in Columbus and exceeds your expectations. I think he put a lot of undue pressure on himself to prove his worth to the fans here and in the end it backfired on him because he couldn't accomplish much at all for the team and it was likely weighing on his mind.
A fresh start and still being close to his family should help him.
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warm body for a hockey dead body...not a big fan of the deal, but I understand it...like many others, don't get the not getting insurance on Horton, but we'll see what type of player Clarkson becomes here...I worry about having another long term $5m+ contract on the books and what that means for some of the youth coming thru...lack of spots for them*
*especially when Wiz/JJ and Cam for Sharp and 1st happens
*especially when Wiz/JJ and Cam for Sharp and 1st happens
Who has seen some time on a line with either Hartnell/Foligno and Joey? Skille got some time, Wennberg, Tropp, I think Morin got a little? Why not try Foligno-Joey-Clarkson and just say let Foligno and Joey carry the puck and you just stand near the net . I think Clarkson can be better here then in Toronto but not 5.25mil good
. I think Clarkson can be better here then in Toronto but not 5.25mil goodDavid Clarkson is a very good hockey player. A lot of ignorant Leaf fans ignore that he was not utilized properly. He was constantly shuffled with different line mates because of other Leaf players getting injured or playing extremely poorly.
Clarkson is a banger with some scoring touch. When used in structured system with good coaching who knows how to maximize his abilities, he is very good. Clarkson also gives 110% every night. He is a great team mate and will not hesitate to drop the gloves to defend any team mate.
Yes it did not work out in Toronto, but I don't fault him. You will see he will be great for your team.
Clarkson is a banger with some scoring touch. When used in structured system with good coaching who knows how to maximize his abilities, he is very good. Clarkson also gives 110% every night. He is a great team mate and will not hesitate to drop the gloves to defend any team mate.
Yes it did not work out in Toronto, but I don't fault him. You will see he will be great for your team.
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This seems pretty straightforward to me. We were holding a bad contract for a guy who physically can't play. Toronto has a bad contract on a player with limited production. We can't afford the buyout; Toronto can as they have plenty of money and buy cap relief. We don't. For us we're still stuck with a bad contract but with a guy who can be on the ice. There is really nothing to celebrate for either team. Each tried to make the best of bad situations.
Several have said it takes away ice time from others. Like Skille,, Boll, Tropp or Morin (when he returns)???? If he produces maybe he pushes someone with skill level to the fourth line so that Letestu isn't saddled with two offensive duds to his left and right.
How we got here is open to debate, but I am left to judge today's decision based on today's situation.
Several have said it takes away ice time from others. Like Skille,, Boll, Tropp or Morin (when he returns)???? If he produces maybe he pushes someone with skill level to the fourth line so that Letestu isn't saddled with two offensive duds to his left and right.
How we got here is open to debate, but I am left to judge today's decision based on today's situation.
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Thanks for the insight, I hope you are spot on! you will see many ignorant people here too, all not knowing crap about Clarkson except to go check out his goal totals the last 2 years and proclaim this the worst trade ever because they didn't get Crosby in return for a guy that will never lace up skates again.
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You weren't going to spend Horton's money twice so your argument kind of dies on the vine. Cap space wasn't going to become an issue. Do you really think we would have ever spent enough to make Horton being on LTIR would have ever come into play from a Cap perspective?
lol, no.
The best you could say that that Clarkson taking up ice time from another player is a negative for the team. Could end up being true. However, let's try something new. Let's see what he does on his new team and see if he can regain his form instead of *****ing and moaning?
I don't like that the FO appeared to screw up big time and left us with this contract. However damage done and this seems to be a reasonable way to address it. A bitter pill to be sure, but a financially questionable team spending over 5 million for absolutely nothing isn't an option either.
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I think some of you Jackets fans are overreacting a little bit here, i know a lot of the Toronto fans would have you believe that Clarkson is the worst player in the world, but that really isn't the case whatsoever.
Is Clarkson a 5.3 million dollar player, absolutely not, any Devils fan could have told you the minute that contract was signed that he never stood a chance of living up to it; but he's not some worthless AHL plug either, and Toronto didn't help themselves with their utilization of him.
The season in which he scored 30 goals for us was admittedly fortuitous, he had some serious puck luck and that will likely be the best he ever manages in his career, but the dude has a knack for being in the right position at the right time and scoring off of tips in front of the net. Not to mention he's a great character guy who brings some snarl and tenacity, he's not afraid to stand up for his teammates or make a nuisance of himself.
His skating isn't very good (we used to count how many times he fell down per game), and he isn't much of a playmaker, he might generate 10-15 assists per season, but in a better situation than he had in Toronto the guy is probably a 17-23 goal scorer most years who can play a few PP minutes and provide a unique skill set to the third line.
Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Most Devils fans were happy with the idea of giving him a modest ~3.5 million a year, there or there abouts, i'd take him back for that price today even after what happened in Toronto. So you're probably paying about ~1.8m over the odds for what he brings, that's not exactly crippling by any means; and for a team that can't really afford to absorb the kind of money owed to Horton when he's likely never going to contribute on the ice again, i think you guys did a really good job of making the best out of a less than stellar situation here.
tl;dr: Clarkson has weaknesses to his game for sure (passing/skating), but a few strengths too (physicality/net presence/deflection goals), he's not some AHL/4th line scrub.
I always liked him as a player and a person, so i'm hoping he rebounds and contributes for you guys, i'm certain he will. Toronto treated him really badly, far worse than he deserved.
Is Clarkson a 5.3 million dollar player, absolutely not, any Devils fan could have told you the minute that contract was signed that he never stood a chance of living up to it; but he's not some worthless AHL plug either, and Toronto didn't help themselves with their utilization of him.
The season in which he scored 30 goals for us was admittedly fortuitous, he had some serious puck luck and that will likely be the best he ever manages in his career, but the dude has a knack for being in the right position at the right time and scoring off of tips in front of the net. Not to mention he's a great character guy who brings some snarl and tenacity, he's not afraid to stand up for his teammates or make a nuisance of himself.
His skating isn't very good (we used to count how many times he fell down per game), and he isn't much of a playmaker, he might generate 10-15 assists per season, but in a better situation than he had in Toronto the guy is probably a 17-23 goal scorer most years who can play a few PP minutes and provide a unique skill set to the third line.
Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Most Devils fans were happy with the idea of giving him a modest ~3.5 million a year, there or there abouts, i'd take him back for that price today even after what happened in Toronto. So you're probably paying about ~1.8m over the odds for what he brings, that's not exactly crippling by any means; and for a team that can't really afford to absorb the kind of money owed to Horton when he's likely never going to contribute on the ice again, i think you guys did a really good job of making the best out of a less than stellar situation here.
tl;dr: Clarkson has weaknesses to his game for sure (passing/skating), but a few strengths too (physicality/net presence/deflection goals), he's not some AHL/4th line scrub.
I always liked him as a player and a person, so i'm hoping he rebounds and contributes for you guys, i'm certain he will. Toronto treated him really badly, far worse than he deserved.
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I don't get the hate on Clarkson, the guy can score goals in a possession oriented system. He played on a line with Lupul and Kadri in Toronto and was expected to score off of the wing on the fast break as opposed to down low and in front of the net in an umbrella system. That's where he should be.
The fact that we have guys like Johansen, Foligno and Dubinsky who know how to slow a game down in the offensive zone can mean big things of Clarkson's goal scoring.
The fact that we have guys like Johansen, Foligno and Dubinsky who know how to slow a game down in the offensive zone can mean big things of Clarkson's goal scoring.
You are missing one important piece of this puzzle. It was appear that we're paying him 7 million in a year in the 16/17 and 17/18 seasons. Salary is more of a concern than cap space. Assuming those numbers are correct, that's a pretty big anchor on this team for 2 seasons. Your numbers don't really add up.
Oh please... No fan base is going to be excited to add his contract. He needs to be over 25 goals to be worth the cash, we'll see if he gets there.
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We're not adding anything though, what exactly were you expecting Horton to be when/if he came back? Clarkson could add 15-20 goals next year if used properly, Horton will probably never play again and if he does, will barely scratch 10 goals because he'll play 50-60 games a season and only play 12-15 minutes a night. At least Clarkson is a liable body to the contract.
