Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season
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Roman Yoshi
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So hypothetically, if Brunette or Trotz or both aren't relieved of their duties by Tuesday... What can we expect to happen that night at home? Jersey on the ice? Paper bags?
I was just thinking about how spoiled we have been over the years. 30 games in and we’re ready to fire the coach/gm, pondering wearing paper bags/ tossing jerseys, etc. It just makes me wonder how fans of teams who suck for a decade+ cope.
Maybe the difference here currently is we at least assumed the team would be decent this year. By season 2 or 3 of sucking I guess expectations are already tempered?
Maybe the difference here currently is we at least assumed the team would be decent this year. By season 2 or 3 of sucking I guess expectations are already tempered?
herzausstein
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7 games to Christmas and it isnt terribly easy
14th place Flames at home Tues 10th
12h place Dallas away Thurs 12th
15th place Colorado away Sat 14th
16th place NyR at home Tues 17th
20th place Pittsburgh at home Thurs 19th
7th place Kings at home Sat 21st
8th place Carolina at home Monday 23rd
As a reminder, we just got shutout by 30th place Montreal and barely scratched 26th pace ottawa.
14th place Flames at home Tues 10th
12h place Dallas away Thurs 12th
15th place Colorado away Sat 14th
16th place NyR at home Tues 17th
20th place Pittsburgh at home Thurs 19th
7th place Kings at home Sat 21st
8th place Carolina at home Monday 23rd
As a reminder, we just got shutout by 30th place Montreal and barely scratched 26th pace ottawa.
Roman Yoshi
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I think this is 100% accurate. As everyone around here knows, I've been advocating for a rebuild since 2021. Like tear things down and start again. It hasn't been a popular opinion, that's for sure.
But I think back on how the Rangers and Flyers did it the last 5ish years. They sent a letter out to fans saying "we have a long term plan, it's not going to be fun for a bit. We are going to rebuild and get the youth movement started that is going to make us a competitor in a few years."
If 501 Broadway put out a statement like that this year and if Brunette was playing kids and if we hadn't signed all those new guys plus extend Saros, I think reactions would be very different.
Tanking was not part of the plan this year. And I question what the long term plan is.
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Predsanddead24
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Yeah for me it’s that we have no plan to getting things fixed and that no one in the team actually seems to even be concerned with how terrible we are. Like this is basically the sentiment I get from Trotz:
First pairing Blankenburg is going to be a blast to watch. 
Who is next up on the right side in Milwaukee?
Who is next up on the right side in Milwaukee?
Armourboy
Hey! We suck!
Difference is expectations.
Fans were all sitting around last season expecting to be rebuilding, we had a lucky season, and while most fans were happy with that, some of us were saying it was a waste. Last season should have been the first of a rebuild, a chance to extensively play the younger players like Tomasino, Parssinen, Fabbro, Evangelista, Stastney, etc. and see what those players really were. Instead they were more worried about winning, didn't give those guys a real opportunity, and came into this season having no clue what they really had.
Fast forward, instead of just being happy with an above expectation season, he goes out and blows a huge amount of cap on old players. Most of us I think were kind of in the, well I guess if you aren't going to play the young guys you might as well go for it, kind of mindset. Now your old players stink, you've given away that group of the young players for nothing, the ones still here don't get to play and likely will be gone too.
Basically Trotz tried to have the best of both worlds and ended up with the worst of both. If you are a fan that was happy about him going for it you are currently ticked off about what you see on the ice. If you were someone that wanted to go the youth route you are sitting there ticked because you gave away Fabbro, Tomasino, and Askarov for essentially a couple of mediocre picks and a prospect, and the youth that is left isn't getting the minutes they should be getting considering the product on the ice.
In either case the answer is fire the coach, because he has done horrible with the current Vets, or because he is mishandling the youth. The GM is next on the list because he made the initial mistakes and is doing nothing to improve the situation.
I said it was all a mistake last season, now Trotz has set this franchise back probably 4-5 years at best, a decade at worst, just because he got wrapped up in a team that caught a hot streak with career years, or close to from guys all over the roster.
Simply put, its justified.
Kat Predator
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Did he really set the franchise back 4-5 years? They couldn’t plan a better tank job than they have managed to pull off this season.
The young players they lost might end up being good players but none of them were franchise altering players.
I’m not saying Trotz is a genius or a good GM, I’m just saying the situation isn’t catastrophic or detrimental to the long term projections for the team YET. If Trotz mishandles the coaching situation that’s happening now, the TDL this season, 2025 draft and 2025 free agency then it could be long term catastrophic.
The young players they lost might end up being good players but none of them were franchise altering players.
I’m not saying Trotz is a genius or a good GM, I’m just saying the situation isn’t catastrophic or detrimental to the long term projections for the team YET. If Trotz mishandles the coaching situation that’s happening now, the TDL this season, 2025 draft and 2025 free agency then it could be long term catastrophic.
herzausstein
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This 7 game suck streak is brought to you by
1.57 G/GP 32nd
3.29 GA/GP 21st
5.3 PP% 32nd
73.7% 23rd
28.3 Shots/G 17th
30.4 Shots against/game 25th
25.68 hits/60 9th
We arent even winning the hits battle which is the only thing they do well
1.57 G/GP 32nd
3.29 GA/GP 21st
5.3 PP% 32nd
73.7% 23rd
28.3 Shots/G 17th
30.4 Shots against/game 25th
25.68 hits/60 9th
We arent even winning the hits battle which is the only thing they do well
Armourboy
Hey! We suck!
Where it sets him back is he just got rid of the guy that would be your long term solution in net. If you move the current Vets you've given away enough of your more advanced youth that you have nothing to really plug it with other than cheaper Vets and you likely are still eating a ton of dead cap over the next several years,
Another thing is if you are a Vet out there now, would you want to sign up for a stint in Nashville right now?
Not to mention part of that is assuming they do something good with this tank of a season in the draft, and develop them, which absolutely no one has any confidence in them to do right now.
If he changes course now, and makes all of the right decisions between now and next season then it may not set us back that far, but do you have the confidence based on what you have seen that it is going to happen? I sure as heck don't.
herzausstein
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Lost development years and roster spots, contracts you cant get out of without retention or buyouts, a lockerroom that is gonna sour quick, a coach that doesnt seem to know how to deploy his team. Young players traded/lost to waivers to maximize the now: askarov, fabbro, tomasino, etc. All adds up
I'd add that many of us would have preferred the rebuild start 2-3 years ago, so in that lens, he's set us back even if we started doing everything right from now on.
Kat Predator
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Put it this way: if someone was truly trying to set the franchise back 3 or 4 years minimum, they couldn't have executed it any better than Trotz has.
(There are things he could start doing to make it even worse, but I don't want to speak them into actually happening.)
I guess I’m just not as bent up about trading Askarov as much as some around here are. Chrona and Annunen are fine with me. We’ve had the discussion about elite goalie or not for a Stanley cup. Askarov may or may not be elite, everyone speculates but no one knows.
herzausstein
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I just wouldve preferred to keep askarov over saros. This team very likely isnt stanley cup contenders during the remainder of Saros' prime. Askarov wouldve been a good foundation for the next window.
Bringer of Jollity
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How very Perds to tank perfectly in a weak draft year.
Annunen or Chrona can provide that same foundation
Agree 100 percent
Realistically, where does our roster (prospects included) rank in the league from a total value perspective? How many teams would flip their entire system for ours? 5? Considering I think we were much higher 5 years ago, that's devastating.
That's what I worry about when we talk about "setting the team back". We have lost so much overall value in the last three years.
That's what I worry about when we talk about "setting the team back". We have lost so much overall value in the last three years.
Just out of curiosity, what value are you referring too over the last three years?
Stamkos, March, Skjei all have negative value - we'd have to move picks or retain to move them. Three years ago, our prospects like Fabbro and Tomasino had value, but we completely tanked it. Our core guys like Josi and Saros have gotten older, we haven't been a contender, and they've lost value since they are nearing/at their "past prime" moment.
Scoresberg
Perpetual Mediocrity
There might no be a Crosby or a McDavid at the top of the draft this year but I'd say this is a top-heavy draft. You should be able to draft a true difference-maker in the top, let's say seven to eight.
I’m not a big expected goals.stats fan because it’s a fictional stat but for those that like those stats, here ya go.
