Nashville Predators Hockey Talk 2023-2024 II

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Kinda already been covered but yeah I think this is garbage. Not saying he's not being honest but Gurianov? He has those details within our system?

 

[Predsanddead24]

It also bothers me that for a guy he’s allegedly trying to help build confidence that he waves away the assist as a lucky bounce off a stanchion. It for sure was a lucky bounce but Tomasino also makes a solid play to pick up the puck and get it to Josi when he was already heading for a change. That should be an example of how making those little plays can be beneficial but instead Bruno just laughs it off as a purely lucky play.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I guess I could almost understand the love affair for the Cole Smiths and Jankowskis or whoever even more than I can the Gurianov thing. At least those other guys bring something different in terms of defense/checking/consistency that NHL coaches may like.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I'm really hoping at some point we reconsider what we are doing with our forward lines. We've talked about the pros/cons of breaking up the first line, but even if we're sticking with that I'd like to see a bit more variation in the other lines. We do rotate a few guys between lines or in and out of the lineup but we always seem to come back to the core groupings of Novak-Evangelista, Sissons-Trenin, and McCarron-Tomasino.

 

[ShagDaddy]

Good article by Clay here. While I don’t agree with some of the player evaluation by him, I do agree that Brunette will not be successful with this type of roster construction. They don’t have to go get the best guys, they need to get the right guys. Nyquist and O’Reilly are examples of what the right guys are. They may not be considered the best at their positions but they can execute exactly what Brunette wants to do

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[Armourboy]

I guess I could almost understand the love affair for the Cole Smiths and Jankowskis or whoever even more than I can the Gurianov thing. At least those other guys bring something different in terms of defense/checking/consistency that NHL coaches may like.

My worry with Brunette is that he puts more stock in speed than he should and it causes him to make some seriously poor decisions.

We saw the same thing with Hynes and playing a physical game. It's almost like he thought you won hockey games by the number of hits you made.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

It also bothers me that for a guy he’s allegedly trying to help build confidence that he waves away the assist as a lucky bounce off a stanchion. It for sure was a lucky bounce but Tomasino also makes a solid play to pick up the puck and get it to Josi when he was already heading for a change. That should be an example of how making those little plays can be beneficial but instead Bruno just laughs it off as a purely lucky play.

i dont think Bruno is our guy…we need a tortorella type figure

 

[Scoresberg]

Tomasino has 0.5 PPG with 12:40 ice-time and only 4 PP points.

I get that other aspects in his game might not be there yet, but can we really afford to ignore his offensive talent?

I'd say put him in the top-six, 17-18 minutes a night and some 1PP time. Piss or get off the pot type of stretch before TDL.

 

[herzausstein]

Tomasino has 0.5 PPG with 12:40 ice-time and only 4 PP points.

I get that other aspects in his game might not be there yet, but can we really afford to ignore his offensive talent?

I'd say put him in the top-six, 17-18 minutes a night and some 1PP time. Piss or get off the pot type of stretch before TDL.

Some warts in his overall game but his production is definitely there

 

[herzausstein]

I think we need to break up the lines.

Reasoning:

Using the warm up lines from last night (yes i know it isnt how things end up 100% during the game)

Forsberg ROR Nyquist
Trenin sissons Guiranov
Novak Glass Evangelista
Smith McCarron Tomasino

Looking at NHL games played
667 - 1042 - 754 (2463)
271 - 588 - 292 (1151)
118 - 169 - 74 (361)
128 - 197 - 147 (472)

Colton sissons has played more regular season NHL games than either of the bottom two lines combined. Maybe consolidating all the long term NHL experience into one line isnt a good idea on such a young/green team. Even if the team isnt "young" by age like smith and McCarron they are green in actual nhl games played having only played about 2 full seasons worth.

 

[Scoresberg]

I echo the above. The roles also need to be clearer. The one thing that they screwed Pärssinen over was they couldn't decide whether they expected him to score or be a shutdown player. Can't have it both ways. Same thing happened with Tolvanen.

Forsberg - O'Reilly - Evangelista/Tomasino

The two best forwards stick together but I would like to lift one of the youngsters to the top line and get more offense out of them. They can grow into their offensive role.

Nyquist - Novak - Evangelista/Tomasino

Another offensive line to support the top line. Nyquist provides a steady presence and Novak and the other winger can focus on offense.

Trenin - Sissons - Afanasyev

Bring up some scoring from the AHL. Trenin and Sissons are fine 3rd liners and fill their role adequately. Afanasyev brings an X-factor offensive element we don't have otherwise on that line.

Smith - McCarron - Sherwood

Minute fillers.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I think we need to break up the lines.

Reasoning:

Using the warm up lines from last night (yes i know it isnt how things end up 100% during the game)

Forsberg ROR Nyquist
Trenin sissons Guiranov
Novak Glass Evangelista
Smith McCarron Tomasino

Looking at NHL games played
667 - 1042 - 754 (2463)
271 - 588 - 292 (1151)
118 - 169 - 74 (361)
128 - 197 - 147 (472)

Colton sissons has played more regular season NHL games than either of the bottom two lines combined. Maybe consolidating all the long term NHL experience into one line isnt a good idea on such a young/green team. Even if the team isnt "young" by age like smith and McCarron they are green in actual nhl games played having only played about 2 full seasons worth.

Well past time. I get the reticence to break them up but when you’re playing as poorly as we have recently at some point you have to pull the most obvious lever you have. Also if our great vets rely on playing with each other to produce than are they really all that great? We need them to be elevating the young guys play.

 

[herzausstein]

Well past time. I get the reticence to break them up but when you’re playing as poorly as we have recently at some point you have to pull the most obvious lever you have. Also if our great vets rely on playing with each other to produce than are they really all that great? We need them to be elevating the young guys play.

We are a really green team. We should probably be spreading what veteran leadership we have. I get they have chemistry and are enjoying putting up numbers

 

[hockey diva]

And we have 10 days to stew over everything. Yay. Hopefully, the coaching staff will take a long look at their part in the recent slide.

 

[Armourboy]

And we have 10 days to stew over everything. Yay. Hopefully, the coaching staff will take a long look at their part in the recent slide.

That's the part that bothers me. I get players not performing, especially young players, happens. What we shouldn't see is decisions by the coach leading to either bad play or a loss in points.

Gurianov has no business being in the NHL but I have no doubt he is here cause he is fast and has Brunette drooling over it despite the fact he stinks in every other aspect.

I also have a huge issue with the coaching staff saying certain young players aren't doing the little things when the guys that are getting ice time aren't doing any better on that front and aren't producing too boot. Tomasino may not be perfect in all aspects but at least he is producing something.

Afanasyev should have been in the NHL weeks ago. What happened to earning your opportunity?

 

[herzausstein]

That's the part that bothers me. I get players not performing, especially young players, happens. What we shouldn't see is decisions by the coach leading to either bad play or a loss in points.

Gurianov has no business being in the NHL but I have no doubt he is here cause he is fast and has Brunette drooling over it despite the fact he stinks in every other aspect.

I also have a huge issue with the coaching staff saying certain young players aren't doing the little things when the guys that are getting ice time aren't doing any better on that front and aren't producing too boot. Tomasino may not be perfect in all aspects but at least he is producing something.

Afanasyev should have been in the NHL weeks ago. What happened to earning your opportunity?

That's the GMs job to take away the coaches shiney toys.

We finally got to see Tomasino get elevated some in the lineup and rewarded for his good play. Guiranov had the least amount of TOI he has had since being called up and so did Evangelista.... so maybe Brunette just cant help himself. Pull one youngster out of the hole and shove a different one in.... atleast he shoved Gurianov down there with him where he belongs.

Fabbro is back to being a 11 min a night dman and barrie a 24 min a night dman. What a freaking night. Some of it is penalties and such but comeone.... barrie... is not twice the dman as fabbro.

Time to stew.... all star break and a biweek. Next game Feb 10.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Yeah what I find most frustrating is how bad plays by some gets them banished to the bench or press box while others seem to receive no punishment for poor play. I understand giving some leeway to guys who have proven to be very good at their position like Josi, McDonagh, or O'Reilly but why do Lauzon or Smith rarely receive any punishment for bad play. Evangelista got worked on the first goal so while I may not agree with the approach I can see why he gets benched, but the other goals fell on Lauzon, Novak, Smith, Schenn, and McDonagh and yet they all just kept receiving their normal shifts.

Overall in the long term we have the capacity to make a few lineup changes through trades or add a vet through free agency but end of the day Brunette is going to have to develop our younger players into consistent contributors. I don't think the approach he is taking now is working towards that goal but hopefully Brunette can grow as a coach and figure out better ways to accomplish that. If he can't we're probably in the bottom of the league standings and can get the true tank rebuild some want so I guess that is the silver lining.

 

[herzausstein]

Yeah what I find most frustrating is how bad plays by some gets them banished to the bench or press box while others seem to receive no punishment for poor play. I understand giving some leeway to guys who have proven to be very good at their position like Josi, McDonagh, or O'Reilly but why do Lauzon or Smith rarely receive any punishment for bad play. Evangelista got worked on the first goal so while I may not agree with the approach I can see why he gets benched, but the other goals fell on Lauzon, Novak, Smith, Schenn, and McDonagh and yet they all just kept receiving their normal shifts.

Overall in the long term we have the capacity to make a few lineup changes through trades or add a vet through free agency but end of the day Brunette is going to have to develop our younger players into consistent contributors. I don't think the approach he is taking now is working towards that goal but hopefully Brunette can grow as a coach and figure out better ways to accomplish that. If he can't we're probably in the bottom of the league standings and can get the true tank rebuild some want so I guess that is the silver lining.

McD managed to be on the ice for 3 goals against with 3 different partners which is kindof impressive I guess

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Maybe this has been obvious to most, but boy does it feel like the writing is on the wall for Fabbro. I would be surprised if he isn't moved out at the deadline. I don't think they have any intention of bringing him back .

 

[herzausstein]

Maybe this has been obvious to most, but boy does it feel like the writing is on the wall for Fabbro. I would be surprised if he isn't moved out at the deadline. I don't think they have any intention of bringing him back .

Yeah i really dont get it myself. He does some boneheaded stuff occasionally as does all of the dmen but he seems to get his chain yanked harder than the others. His average TOI has been cut back every season as well. He's gone from 19 mins to just under 17 mins a game as our RHD group has gotten weaker and you'd expect him to be taking those next steps to solidify his game. I think theyve come to the conclusion with what they've got with him.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Maybe this has been obvious to most, but boy does it feel like the writing is on the wall for Fabbro. I would be surprised if he isn't moved out at the deadline. I don't think they have any intention of bringing him back .

Yeah, when you scratch Barrie for weeks... then Carrier gets hurt... and right off the bat Barrie comes in and plays 23:37 (and stinks) and Fabbro is down to just 11:27 (ok, also stinking-ish)... still... I mean, the player just needs to escape.

I have completely given up all hope on the Fabbro front. I simply don't see what the Preds braintrust sees, but at the same time they sure seem to be doing their best to create a self-fulfilling prophecy of some sort with him. I'm down to just letting Fabbro go for his own sake at this point.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Yeah, when you scratch Barrie for weeks... then Carrier gets hurt... and right off the bat Barrie comes in and plays 23:37 (and stinks) and Fabbro is down to just 11:27 (ok, also stinking-ish)... still... I mean, the player just needs to escape.

I have completely given up all hope on the Fabbro front. I simply don't see what the Preds braintrust sees, but at the same time they sure seem to be doing their best to create a self-fulfilling prophecy of some sort with him. I'm down to just letting Fabbro go for his own sake at this point.

Yes, this is exactly when things seemed obvious to me. Barrier walks in after not being good enough to get in and is immediately double his TOI. I know they are trying to jump the PP that's been rough, but it's still seems like an indictment regarding their confidence in Fabbro.

 

[Softball99]

I think it's more about shoehorning Schenn minutes over Fabbro than Barrie because of the offensive focus last game

 

[triggrman]

I'd love to know our record with Barrie and Schenn in the line-up versus what it is with both or either out.

 

[Kat Predator]

Hopefully, Brunette and Barry know what they really want in terms of d-men and their skills. It doesn't seem like the group as a whole in place now is what they are looking for and the results from top to bottom have been really ugly at times.

I think we'll see some churn on defense the next few seasons.