Confirmed with Link: [MTL/TB] Sergachev/Drouin II

[Cole Caulifield]

I came back to voice my support and approval of the trade but I can't help but think he's going to be another soft, perimeter winger.

Would be awesome next to a Getzlaf or on a high-flying team - but as the main guy he's going to be another softie in a top6 that lacks character and/or size and/or competitiveness.

Playoff nobodies like Pleks and Patches need to get off this roster to really change something. Drouin's effect will be understated until then.

Still - approve of the trade. Not crazy about a huge extension but that's goofy BargainBin - PK wasn't worth investing in but Drouin with no leverage is too good for a bridge deal. The arbitrary and inconsistent approach is what riles me up.

I came back to say something positive, but instead I'll find a way to diminish the trade as to render it meaningless and crap on Bergevin for some minor detail about inconsistent approach to contract signature.

Never change !

 

[JohnnyB11]

I think it is a good deal for Mtl (I'm not has high on sergachev has most) but it is a even better deal for TB.

Yes they gave a talented player but with this trade they solve a lot of issues.
They have been trying to get rid of Drouin for a while...
-Done, + Sergachev and 2nd rd pick is a great return
Having to expose the like of Namestnikov or Killorn or Drouin in the expansion draft.
-Solved.
TB had a bit of a cap issues with Drouin/Palat/Johnson/Kucherov.
-With Kucherov Bridge deal and Drouin gone problem solved.
They lack good D prospect.
-Sergachev, is seen as a elite prospect by a lot of people

On the other hand Mtl has a lot of other moving part they have a few players they won't be able to protect so they lose a player they likely didn't want to lose for free.

They need to resign UFA like Radulov and Markov or else it will create a big whole in the lineup. They are have Galchenyuck and Beaulieu, we don't really know where they fit in, their trade values are has low has it ever and they both have to be resign but I would expect any discount... That going to leave MTL pretty close to the cap.

I doubt that 2nd round pick materializes - it's really Drouin for Sergachev straight up.

 

[DangerDave]

I came back to voice my support and approval of the trade but I can't help but think he's going to be another soft, perimeter winger.

Would be awesome next to a Getzlaf or on a high-flying team - but as the main guy he's going to be another softie in a top6 that lacks character and/or size and/or competitiveness.

Playoff nobodies like Pleks and Patches need to get off this roster to really change something. Drouin's effect will be understated until then.

Still - approve of the trade. Not crazy about a huge extension but that's goofy BargainBin - PK wasn't worth investing in but Drouin with no leverage is too good for a bridge deal. The arbitrary and inconsistent approach is what riles me up.

He's not soft at all. No need to worry about that. Unlike Gallagher, he has the speed and skill to open up his own lanes. Everyone was thinking Rad was gonna be soft. We may have a similar scenario with Drouin.

 

[Picaroon]

That boy can fly. Our skill level took a huge leap forward

Holy fff he can snipe! Wow! He will be hitting 30 consistently very soon with a shot like that. And he is seen more as a playmaker to boot!

 

[All-Star]

I just read your post, excellent by the way. Your post smells something you know. You have to know that marijuana is not legalized yet if you are living in Canada, maybe you live in Colorado, in that case it's different.

He's talking about practice...

 

[Bobby Orr's Knees]

That's not Drouin at all... He isn't big, but he plays with an edge.

Drouin plays with an edge and is not not afraid of anything. He looked phenomenal with Kucherov. Even with less then stellar line-mates, J was dangerous. Only two players on the Bolts (plus Stamkos) could create their own opportunities: Kuch and J. IMO, they are equally talented. I never understood why Coop treated Drouin like a leper. Kucherov came out with some serious criticism of the coaching staff after the season. He specifically talked about his great chemistry with Drouin, and not being played together. I am sure J will be in a better situation in Montreal. He is not a "soft peripheral player" by any means. You'll be very happy with him.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I came back to say something positive, but instead I'll find a way to diminish the trade as to render it meaningless and crap on Bergevin for some minor detail about inconsistent approach to contract signature.

Never change !

It's immaterial to me to count my positive and negative comments, i don't even approach hockey talk with such a reductive point of view. Criticism isn't negative, it's criticism. Blind praise is hardly positive either.

I feel that after years of criticising this organisation for their hockey moves (and non-hockey moves) it's only right to praise this one, since I do think it's a good move.

The concern comes from the perennial size/edge/heart issue in our top6. It's only overcome with more size/edge/heart AND talent. If Drouin has both, great. If it's only one, then nothing will change. Casper, Pleks, Gallagher, and even Chucky have problems with either one or the other aspect. The forwards are critically flawed.

And BargainBin's horrible mistake with Subban isn't a minor inconsistency. It exposes a lack of structure - a concern that many have voiced in increasing intensity. The dunce seems like he has no plan, no vision.

Let's hope he's turned the corner. But 33m to a RFA who has less than 100 points in his entire career is NOT a typical BargainBin move, for better or worse. You'd expect some hesitation from him, some "getting to know the player" or whatever. No?

 

[HTTP 400]

Holy fff he can snipe! Wow! He will be hitting 30 consistently very soon with a shot like that. And he is seen more as a playmaker to boot!

Play him with Radulov. He's the only one who think the game at the same speed. Than, give them a great sniper to finish the play. That's Galchenyuk right there.

Drouin-Galchenyuk-Radulov. One of the most entertaining and productive line in the league next year. Of course, there will be defensive issues but their production should cover it.

Than, you put together Pacioretty, Plekanec and Gallagher, 3 north south players who play a simple game. Not as productive, but Pacioretty will manage to get 30 goals anyway and they'll give you a great 2 way game and get into other teams head (Plekanec and Gallagher).

Lekhonen Danault and shaw will be an amazing 3rd line at both enbd of the ice. Lekhonen and Shaw shower some chemistry last year and Danault speed will be deadly on the 3rd line.

Then, you still have "22 goals" Biron on the 4th line.

 

[Lebowski]

Drouin plays with an edge and is not not afraid of anything. He looked phenomenal with Kucherov. Even with less then stellar line-mates, J was dangerous. Only two players on the Bolts (plus Stamkos) could create their own opportunities: Kuch and J. IMO, they are equally talented. I never understood why Coop treated Drouin like a leper. Kucherov came out with some serious criticism of the coaching staff after the season. He specifically talked about his great chemistry with Drouin, and not being played together. I am sure J will be in a better situation in Montreal. He is not a "soft peripheral player" by any means. You'll be very happy with him.

I'm sure we will.

Was extremely jealous when you guys got to draft him. He was my top prospect from the 2013 draft, always thought he had an insane ceiling... Dare I say P. Kane-like. Unreal to finally have him on our team. Cooper's handling of Drouin has always been puzzling. I remember back in his rookie days when he would use him on the 4th line... I know we complain around here about Galchenyuk's usage, but the way Drouin was treated in Tampa was twice as bad.

Hopefully Serg works out for you guys as well. As long as he plays over 40 games next season, anyway...

The sequence that instantly made me a fan...

 

[Dagistitsyn]

Play him with Radulov. He's the only one who think the game at the same speed. Than, give them a great sniper to finish the play. That's Galchenyuk right there.

Drouin-Galchenyuk-Radulov. One of the most entertaining and productive line in the league next year. Of course, there will be defensive issues but their production should cover it.

Than, you put together Pacioretty, Plekanec and Gallagher, 3 north south players who play a simple game. Not as productive, but Pacioretty will manage to get 30 goals anyway and they'll give you a great 2 way game and get into other teams head (Plekanec and Gallagher).

Lekhonen Danault and shaw will be an amazing 3rd line at both enbd of the ice. Lekhonen and Shaw shower some chemistry last year and Danault speed will be deadly on the 3rd line.

Then, you still have "22 goals" Biron on the 4th line.

This seems like the smart thing to do, but can we afford to give Radulov and Galchenyuk 6 Million a year each plus resign Markov? Now that we have Drouin making 5.5 I doubt it.

 

[Habs100]

Play him with Radulov. He's the only one who think the game at the same speed. Than, give them a great sniper to finish the play. That's Galchenyuk right there.

Drouin-Galchenyuk-Radulov. One of the most entertaining and productive line in the league next year. Of course, there will be defensive issues but their production should cover it.

Than, you put together Pacioretty, Plekanec and Gallagher, 3 north south players who play a simple game. Not as productive, but Pacioretty will manage to get 30 goals anyway and they'll give you a great 2 way game and get into other teams head (Plekanec and Gallagher).

Lekhonen Danault and shaw will be an amazing 3rd line at both enbd of the ice. Lekhonen and Shaw shower some chemistry last year and Danault speed will be deadly on the 3rd line.

Then, you still have "22 goals" Biron on the 4th line.

Part of the reason I'm excited we got Drouin is because imo we've needed a second playmaker even more than we've needed a center. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty are both shooters and they did well with Radulov. Now Galchenyuk and Pacioretty will each have a playmaker to play with and we'll have two dangerous offensive lines.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Part of the reason I'm excited we got Drouin is because imo we've needed a second playmaker even more than we've needed a center. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty are both shooters and they did well with Radulov. Now Galchenyuk and Pacioretty will each have a playmaker to play with and we'll have two dangerous offensive lines.

only one "playmaker" is signed for next season.

 

[BaseballCoach]

33m to a RFA who has less than 100 points in his entire career is NOT a typical BargainBin move, for better or worse. You'd expect some hesitation from him, some "getting to know the player" or whatever. No?

It makes no sense.

C'est très logique!

 

[calder candidate]

I doubt that 2nd round pick materializes - it's really Drouin for Sergachev straight up.

TB control if they what it to materialise or not, Sergachev need to play in less than 40 games this year.
It would not be crazy for such a young Dmen to have him up in the NHL all year and only dress him up for 39 games and get a 2nd round pick for the trouble...

 

[TouzY]

I dont understand the will to trade Chucky for a def just because we have Drouin ? ... Lets keep our offence and get a team that can produce offensively ... no ?
Trade Gallagher, Plek, or some IceCap players.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Part of the reason I'm excited we got Drouin is because imo we've needed a second playmaker even more than we've needed a center. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty are both shooters and they did well with Radulov. Now Galchenyuk and Pacioretty will each have a playmaker to play with and we'll have two dangerous offensive lines.

only one "playmaker" is signed for next season.

And also only one shooter.

 

[Habs Icing]

I came back to say something positive, but instead I'll find a way to diminish the trade as to render it meaningless and crap on Bergevin for some minor detail about inconsistent approach to contract signature.

Never change !

Look, god knows I've had my disagreements with W7 but he has a point. A really pertinent point.

This trade in of itself does not improve the Habs. Drouin is not a center and apparently Galchenyuk is not a center. So we're missing two legit top 6 centers. My sincere apologies to Danault & Pleks. Radulov has to be re-signed (or replaced by an equivalent player) or else with the Drouin acquisition MB is simply spinning his wheels.

Also, we still have a papier-mâché captain who improves on his Invisible Man imitations with every new playoff series. I would use him instead of Chucky to acquire one of those centers.

I don't think the defence is a big issue for the immediate future IF Markov signs. If he doesn't then we do have a problem and if MB decides to plug it by trading Galchenyuk well we're in the same position as not re-signing Radulov. With Galchenyuk gone and Drouin in we've just re-arranged the lounging chairs on the Titanic.

So I repeat the Drouin acquisition can only be an improvement of the team if MB a)re-signs Radulov or replaces him with an equivalent player, b & c) if he gets 2 top six centers (they don't have to be #1 & #2, two #2s would do for now) d) if he re-signs or replaces Markov. And if your answer is he'll re-sign Markov and use Gachenyuk to get one of those centers, we're still missing another top six center and we still have Patches on the team and we have a thirty-eight -year old as our #2 defenceman.


So even though I think W7 is a little premature with his criticism, he has a valid point. He should have just waited till mid-July to express it the way he did. We need to see if MB is truly improving the team or just re-arranging the furniture.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I dont understand the will to trade Chucky for a def just because we have Drouin ? ... Lets keep our offence and get a team that can produce offensively ... no ?
Trade Gallagher, Plek, or some IceCap players.

Maybe there is a team that would take a Paul Byron at the peak of his career, signed cheap for two more years, and give us a good #4 D in exchange?

 

[Habs100]

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Originally Posted by Habs100 View Post
Part of the reason I'm excited we got Drouin is because imo we've needed a second playmaker even more than we've needed a center. Galchenyuk and Pacioretty are both shooters and they did well with Radulov. Now Galchenyuk and Pacioretty will each have a playmaker to play with and we'll have two dangerous offensive lines.

only one "playmaker" is signed for next season.

I still don't want to think of this team without Radulov next year. Not only was he great offensively, imo he was our heart and soul and should be our Captain, even over Shea Weber. Or at least he and Weber should be co-captains.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Lehkonen, Chucky, Drouin and Radulov

So get Shaw the **** out of here, trade one of Patches or Gallagher in a package for a center, Hudon plays on the third line

 

[Habs Icing]

Lehkonen, Chucky, Drouin and Radulov

So get Shaw the **** out of here, trade one of Patches or Gallagher in a package for a center, Hudon plays on the third line

Shaw can help immensely on the third line. You don't ever trade a Gallagher. Not ever. Never! Hudon has proven squat when it comes to the NHL so it would be foolish to pin any hopes on him but if he does make the team and contributes, mazel tov! However, I agree we need to get rid of Patches.

Unfortunately, my gut tells me this management team will trade Weber, Price and even their new shiny toy, Drouin, before they unload Captain Patio Ready.

 

[calder candidate]

Look, god knows I've had my disagreements with W7 but he has a point. A really pertinent point.

This trade in of itself does not improve the Habs. Drouin is not a center and apparently Galchenyuk is not a center. So we're missing two legit top 6 centers. My sincere apologies to Danault & Pleks. Radulov has to be re-signed (or replaced by an equivalent player) or else with the Drouin acquisition MB is simply spinning his wheels.

Also, we still have a papier-m�ch� captain who improves on his Invisible Man imitations with every new playoff series. I would use him instead of Chucky to acquire one of those centers.

I don't think the defence is a big issue for the immediate future IF Markov signs. If he doesn't then we do have a problem and if MB decides to plug it by trading Galchenyuk well we're in the same position as not re-signing Radulov. With Galchenyuk gone and Drouin in we've just re-arranged the lounging chairs on the Titanic.

So I repeat the Drouin acquisition can only be an improvement of the team if MB a)re-signs Radulov or replaces him with an equivalent player, b & c) if he gets 2 top six centers (they don't have to be #1 & #2, two #2s would do for now) d) if he re-signs or replaces Markov. And if your answer is he'll re-sign Markov and use Gachenyuk to get one of those centers, we're still missing another top six center and we still have Patches on the team and we have a thirty-eight -year old as our #2 defenceman.


So even though I think W7 is a little premature with his criticism, he has a valid point. He should have just waited till mid-July to express it the way he did. We need to see if MB is truly improving the team or just re-arranging the furniture.

Same here will have to see what else he able to do because we haven't actually improve the team yet if he can't resign Radulov and Markov or add a top 6 C, until that is done it just a PR move bring a skilled french player to MTL

 

[Bobby Orr's Knees]

I'm sure we will.

Was extremely jealous when you guys got to draft him.
Hopefully Serg works out for you guys as well.

I am a Flyers fan. My business is partially in Tampa. So I am a season ticket holder for the Bolts & Flyers. Go figure. The Flyers sure could use a Drouin. I love him. With Sergachev, we have our guy already. We were blessed with Provorov, thanks to Devils stupidity.

Saw the Spitfires 8 times last year. Sergachev has a lot of Subban in him, the kid has great potential. But I also saw how he got rocked in camp and in the NHL. He's too good to play in the juniors, but not ready for the big leagues. Tampa will need to be patient with him. He is not like Provorov and Werenski. He's going to be a kid that makes a lot of mistakes in the first 2 years. But if handled properly, can become amazing.

 

[Habs100]

only one "playmaker" is signed for next season.

I am a Flyers fan. My business is partially in Tampa. So I am a season ticket holder for the Bolts & Flyers. Go figure. The Flyers sure could use a Drouin. I love him. With Sergachev, we have our guy already. We were blessed with Provorov, thanks to Devils stupidity.

Saw the Spitfires 8 times last year. Sergachev has a lot of Subban in him, the kid has great potential. But I also saw how he got rocked in camp and in the NHL. He's too good to play in the juniors, but not ready for the big leagues. Tampa will need to be patient with him. He is not like Provorov and Werenski. He's going to be a kid that will make a lot of mistakes in the first 2 years. But if handled properly, can become amazing.

I love Sergie too. But I'll take it step further: he's going to have serious concussion issues and a very short career if he doesn't learn to keep his head up.

I said the same thing about Guillaume Latendresse when he first came into the league. He ended up having to retire at 26 due to concussions.

 

[DangerDave]

Lehkonen, Chucky, Drouin and Radulov

So get Shaw the **** out of here, trade one of Patches or Gallagher in a package for a center, Hudon plays on the third line

Yes please.