Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] PK Subban for Shea Weber - Pt. 2

[UsernameWasTaken]

I missed Bergevin's comments. What justification did he give for the trade?

 

[Natey]

Not sure if posted, but here is the recapture penalty for Nashville if Weber retires early.

2016-2017 (31): 2,457,200 per for 10 years
2017-2018 (32): 2,730,222 per for 9 years
2018-2019 (33): 3,071,500 per for 8 years
2019-2020 (34): 3,510,286 per for 7 years
2020-2021 (35): 4,095,333 per for 6 years
2021-2022 (36): 4,914,400 per for 5 years
2022-2023 (37): 6,143,000 per for 4 years
2023-2024 (38): 8,190,667 per for 3 years
2024-2025 (39): 12,286,000 per for 2 years
2025-2026 (40): 24,572,000 per for 1 year

 

[Procrastinator]

Bingo. I don't know how many colossal blunders need to be made before people recognize that NHL coaches, managers, scouts, analysts, etc. are not necessarily astute by virtue of being associated with the NHL.


I've never seen an organization disrespect a player more than the Habs did to Subban. It's utterly disgraceful.

yes. because us arm chair GM's have a much better understanding of the economics and organizational needs behind some of the trades made.

 

[MikeK]

I'm still trying to figure out how Weber will be 35 and Subban at 30. LMFAO

ohhh... I was off by 1 year. That changes everything.LOL

This deal is borderline garbage right now. In just 3 years time this is going to be a disaster of a trade. MTL fans should be sick over this. Most of the fans in the East have no idea where Weber is in his career right now. He's got a tun of miles on his frame. He's already not the player he once was. Every year that passes is just another year downward. Watch and see.

 

[Natey]

I missed Bergevin's comments. What justification did he give for the trade?

"We feel that we are better team, but we're going to keep the reasons why internal."

 

[JustAHabFan]

Or retires.
For the sake of arguing what if the Habs win the cup within the next 5 seasons and Weber decides to retire after that. That would be a huge cap/money saving for the Habs while putting the Preds in an awfull mess with them with the recapture penalty.

The Predators will get recapture penalties. Just do not see Weber played until 41 year olds. He started to regress already.

 

[Bizz]

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Calm down everyone. Weber is a better defenseman right now, allows Montreal to have more cap space and coincidentally, Montreal's window is in the next 3 years. This is a good move for Montreal. Maybe value is a bit off but come on this is two superstars. This is nothing close to a ''fleece''

This is absolutely a fleece. It's very debatable whether Weber is better even now, let alone in a year or two. He's coming off an weak season that saw Josi practically carry him. In 2-3 years? It won't even be close who's better. And to add insult to injury, Weber is signed until he's 41. Should be retire before then, Montreal will be on the hook for part of his recapture salary. No matter how you slice this trade, it's horrendous for Montreal.

 

[PREDy 4 the Cup]

So mad as predator fan. Traded our captain who is better than subban and makes less $. Nashville I'm a very upset fan today.

 

[Halla]

Only on HfBoards is 31 old, especially for a defenseman. Weber is gonna be elite until he's 35 (at least) and when his stock falls too much, he'll be easy to trade to a cap floor team. Weber and Subban are both elite defensemen in their prime. It's a wash. Habs get cap space to get offense and they become more solid defensively short term, imo. And there's obviously reasons why MB was shopping Subban. Some things we don't, as a fan, know, so please stop insulting him without knowing.

Massive overreaction on here, but can't say I'm surprised. Average poster loves overreacting to anything. Shea Weber is still a top defenseman in his prime.

a cap floor team is gonna take on 7.8 x 6 years left? It will be easy to trade that kind of contract? Savard just cost a 2nd to dump with 1 year 4 mil left

 

[mitchmagic]

So mad as predator fan. Traded our captain who is better than subban and makes less $. Nashville I'm a very upset fan today.

wronggggg

 

[Halla]

Not sure if posted, but here is the recapture penalty for Nashville if Weber retires early.

2016-2017 (31): 2,457,200 per for 10 years
2017-2018 (32): 2,730,222 per for 9 years
2018-2019 (33): 3,071,500 per for 8 years
2019-2020 (34): 3,510,286 per for 7 years
2020-2021 (35): 4,095,333 per for 6 years
2021-2022 (36): 4,914,400 per for 5 years
2022-2023 (37): 6,143,000 per for 4 years
2023-2024 (38): 8,190,667 per for 3 years
2024-2025 (39): 12,286,000 per for 2 years
2025-2026 (40): 24,572,000 per for 1 year

and the habs still carry his 7.8 cap hit till 2026

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Can someone explain why Nashville is on the hook for any Weber cap hits post trade?

 

[jacks*]

The Predators will get recapture penalties. Just do not see Weber played until 41 year olds. He started to regress already.

Which would be great for us.correct.

 

[playasRus]

With regards to the recapture penalty, if Webber retires in 5 years, does Montreal also have his 7.8mil/year on the hook + NSH has his penalty? Or is the 7.8mil/year a wash?

and the habs still carry his 7.8 cap hit till 2026

Found my answer.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Diamond in the rough.

 

[Soundgarden]

This is absolutely a fleece. It's very debatable whether Weber is better even now, let alone in a year or two. He's coming off an weak season that saw Josi practically carry him. In 2-3 years? It won't even be close who's better. And to add insult to injury, Weber is signed until he's 41. Should be retire before then, Montreal will be on the hook for part of his recapture salary. No matter how you slice this trade, it's horrendous for Montreal.

Holy hyperbole, Weber had yet another 20 goal 50 point season where he played above average defensively and played 25+ a night, he was top 10 in Norris votes again too.

I know you guys really liked Subban, but please, don't act like Weber is dog crap now that he's 30.

 

[Menzinger]

He's gruff and physical. He will always be perceived as better defensively for those reasons alone even if statistics prove otherwise.

An idea about a player matters more than actual ability. I don't get it either.

Yep - to some grit = defensive ability.

Subban is the better player today, and will be better five years from now

 

[Random Forest]

yes. because us arm chair GM's have a much better understanding of the economics and organizational needs behind some of the trades made.

Yes, there are some on HFboards more intelligent and savvy than NHL general managers. Many people associated with the NHL as managers, coaches, analysts, etc. are genuinely incompetent. I don't know what kind of blunder you'd have to see a GM make to recognize that many of these guys didn't get their jobs on merit or savviness.

 

[vanarchy]

Been pondering about this trade all day since it happened but I can't wrap my head around it at all.

Short term, I understand the advantage of having Weber on this team. Brings an intensity and grittiness that was missing from the Habs line up.

But long term... This contract will hurt. Especially with the 4 year difference between players here.

 

[080]

As a Leafs fan, I cannot wait for 2-3 years' time, when Weber is on the hard decline and the Leafs are on the upswing, to roll into Montreal and stomp the Habs.

The only reason I can see for Montreal making this deal is if there was something more to them wanting to move Subban out.

 

[Da System]

what game is that? it is not hockey manager eh?

 

[Random Forest]

Diamond in the rough.

Diamond in the rough? What the ****?

 

[Natey]

and the habs still carry his 7.8 cap hit till 2026

If he retires, there's not cap hit for Montreal (unless he does it in the first three years). He signed this multi-year deal before 35-years-old.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Well, FWIW, Weber is used to playing on a team with no star forwards. This is a serious window trade. MTL needs to win... something... in the next 5 years. Right now they don't have the tools.

And Subban is with a promising group now.

But is he used to playing in a city whose media (and sometimes fans) is hell bent on running him out of town at every occasion?