Proposal: MTL - DAL

[An0n]

He's obviously not, and I would hope Mavrik isn't part of any deal involving Petry - assuming Dallas is in any way interested in adding another aging blueliner.

It would depend on what the frame for the deal would be. Looking at Dallas' cap situation, if they were to trade for Petry (based on the vague info we have), Montreal needs to take on some salary.

I would guess it would go something like Petry @ 50% and having to take on Faksa's contract. That's about a 5M hit on the Habs' cap for 2 years, something of value would need to go their way for it to make sense for Montreal. Not because of Petry's worth but because cap space is premium at the moment.

 

[Dr Pepper]

It would depend on what the frame for the deal would be. Looking at Dallas' cap situation, if they were to trade for Petry (based on the vague info we have), Montreal needs to take on some salary.

I would guess it would go something like Petry @ 50% and having to take on Faksa's contract. That's about a 5M hit on the Habs' cap for 2 years, something of value would need to go their way for it to make sense for Montreal. Not because of Petry's worth but because cap space is premium at the moment.

Even ignoring the cap implications, which are always going to be there in Gary's NHL it seems, Dallas is already looking at an opening day blueline that includes:

Heiskanen
Suter
Lindell
Lundkvist
Harley
Hanley
and
Bayreuther, who I believe will be getting the bulk of the injured Jani Hakanpaa's icetime.

That's 7 d-men, and even with Harley being waiveer-exempt I would still like to think he's going to spend the entire season in Dallas getting all the minutes he can - same with Lundkvist.

Any deal involving Petry would have to include a d-man going Montreal's way, to avoid a logjam.

 

[Zrhutch]

Could see like Hakanpaa and Stranges at the deadline, I dunno.

Suter-Miro
Harley-Petry
Lindell-Nils

 

[26Mats]

No thanks, maybe a 5th rounder.

3rd rounder for a 3rd defenseman at 2.35M per year

As a Habs fan, both of these really may be Petry's value league wide.

If so, the league is undervalueing him. I'd rather keep him until the trade dealine, so the league gets its senses back and sees how valuable he is. Go over to the Pens forum and ask them how Petry played. They'll tell you he played well offensively (on pace for 40 points over 82 games) and was even better defensively. He just couldn't QB a PP and wasn't worth is 6M + cap hit. But with retention he's a top 3 or 4 D at a bargain cap hit.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Monahan and Edmundson were going for firsts at last year’s deadline, I guess Petry and Monahan are going for firsts this year.

 

[samsagat]

Petry for Marchment seems plausible.

 

[An0n]

Monahan and Edmundson were going for firsts at last year’s deadline, I guess Petry and Monahan are going for firsts this year.

Chiarot got a first+ the year prior. I don't see why, if those 2 players stayed healthy, they wouldn't have a received something equivalent.

Every year, 1st round picks are getting traded for mid-level vets and yet here you are trying to ridicule another fanbase. Bold considering who you're rooting for.

 

[pth2]

Monahan and Edmundson were going for firsts at last year’s deadline, I guess Petry and Monahan are going for firsts this year.

And neither were traded since they were hurt (Eddy had played all of 1 game after an injury). Those guesstimates are not disproven. (And you are latching onto the highest valuations to be critical).

 

[26Mats]

Monahan and Edmundson were going for firsts at last year’s deadline, I guess Petry and Monahan are going for firsts this year.

Let's hope this year is more like Chiarot and Toffoli netting 1sts+ than Eddy and Monahan last year. Even Kulak ended up getting more than Eddy.

 

[HuGort]

at the deadline

Habs: Jeff Petry (50% retained)
Stars: Ty Dellandrea

Dallas shores up the right side behind Heiskanen going into the playoffs
Habs add a capable right wing prospect who aligns with their rebuild timeline and adds some much needed sandpaper to the middle 6

No, Habs have ton of these kind of prospects. At 50% retained, Habs should get more. Asking late first?

 

[CTHabsfan]

Monahan and Edmundson were going for firsts at last year’s deadline, I guess Petry and Monahan are going for firsts this year.

Right, that's pretty funny. Can you imagine a scenario where a team like the Tampa Bay Lightning trades a 1st-round pick for someone like David Savard?????

 

[FerrisRox]

Yeah but he picks where he goes, that limits the return significantly.

No, he doesn't. Apparently the entire Eastern Conference is an option to trade him to without him having any say at all.

 

[Petes2424]

No, he doesn't. Apparently the entire Eastern Conference is an option to trade him to without him having any say at all.

He really does though. All players with 15 team lists do this. The player and agent sit down and use a 15 team list, to make it almost impossible to trade a player making significant money, without his approval. Add in his position, and it makes it even easier.

There’s several teams, because of their cap situation and/or their RHD depth, that will have zero interest in trading for Petry. Even a team like Vegas would be left off his list because Theodore has played the right side so long, that’s not changing. Add in their cap concerns, they’re not making a deal. Petry and his agent will have gone through each team like this.

Once you leave those teams, Pittsburgh and the 4 teams he’d like to be traded to off the list, it really makes things very tough for Montreal to find somewhere without his waiving. Its why Montreal wasn’t on his list. It was calculated they’d never trade for him again, but here we stand.

He’s going to have a major say in where he ends up.. and 3 of the 4 teams he’d prefer going to, don’t need any retention. Making it even harder for Montreal to flip him for any real value.

 

[HuGort]

Petry is still an average NHL defenseman. At 2.3m for next 2 years he should be worth quite a bit.

 

[Grinner]

Petry is still an average NHL defenseman. At 2.3m for next 2 years he should be worth quite a bit.

Then he's worth an average return. Not quite a bit

 

[HabsAddict]

It would depend on what the frame for the deal would be. Looking at Dallas' cap situation, if they were to trade for Petry (based on the vague info we have), Montreal needs to take on some salary.

I would guess it would go something like Petry @ 50% and having to take on Faksa's contract. That's about a 5M hit on the Habs' cap for 2 years, something of value would need to go their way for it to make sense for Montreal. Not because of Petry's worth but because cap space is premium at the moment.

Makes zero sense on every level other then some vague hope that Hughes is an idiot.

Habs don't need a 25 point 30 year old center and we can use Petry.

Why on earth did Dallas pay Faska 3.25 million? 25 points centers are usually covered by kids coming up or million dollar journeyman. Actually, I don't care....

 

[pth2]

Makes zero sense on every level other then some vague hope that Hughes is an idiot.

Habs don't need a 25 point 30 year old center and we can use Petry.

Why on earth did Dallas pay Faska 3.25 million? 25 points centers are usually covered by kids coming up or million dollar journeyman. Actually, I don't care....

I think the first rounder and other futures would be the reason the Habs make this deal.

 

[HabsAddict]

I think the first rounder and other futures would be the reason the Habs make this deal.

In the post I quoted, there was no offer of a first. All I saw was that we retain 50% on Petry AND take on Faskas salary.

Makes as much sense as ballet lessons for polar bears....

As for getting a first under those conditions, Faskas would efffctivly cost 5.7 million AND hamper the development of a prospect for two years...for the chance of a mid 20s pick. Pass.

 

[pth2]

In the post I quoted, there was no offer of a first. All I saw was that we retain 50% on Petry AND take on Faskas salary.

Makes as much sense as ballet lessons for polar bears....

As for getting a first under those conditions, Faskas would efffctivly cost 5.7 million AND hamper the development of a prospect for two years...for the chance of a mid 20s pick. Pass.

I figure retention on Petry is worth a bit more than a second. Taking Faksa is worth a bit less than a first. Habs have to get a first and a second, otherwise there's no reason to take this deal.

 

[HuGort]

Then he's worth an average return. Not quite a bit

Look how cheap caphit is though

 

[Grinner]

Look how cheap caphit is though

And he's still a average defenseman who's in his mid 30s..
I don't see how thst adds up to a 1st+. According to various Habs fans

 

[Natey]

He really does though. All players with 15 team lists do this. The player and agent sit down and use a 15 team list, to make it almost impossible to trade a player making significant money, without his approval. Add in his position, and it makes it even easier.

There’s several teams, because of their cap situation and/or their RHD depth, that will have zero interest in trading for Petry. Even a team like Vegas would be left off his list because Theodore has played the right side so long, that’s not changing. Add in their cap concerns, they’re not making a deal. Petry and his agent will have gone through each team like this.

Once you leave those teams, Pittsburgh and the 4 teams he’d like to be traded to off the list, it really makes things very tough for Montreal to find somewhere without his waiving. Its why Montreal wasn’t on his list. It was calculated they’d never trade for him again, but here we stand.

He’s going to have a major say in where he ends up.. and 3 of the 4 teams he’d prefer going to, don’t need any retention. Making it even harder for Montreal to flip him for any real value.

Or he's going to have to play in Montreal.

It all depends if he really wants to play in Montreal again, since we don't have to trade him.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Brother, you can't be making posts like this.

Go look at the Dadanov for Gurianov, Ryder/Cole, Niinimaa/Ribeiro trades as a basis for how Dallas will operate (aka fleece Montreal).. and it's not giving away top end prospects for Petry.

None of those are relevant since they were in previous regimes except Dadonove. HuGo do no get fleeced. And Dadonov is a cockroach who slept through the year and did nothing to make himself tradeable. He was worth NOTHING.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Chiarot got a first+ the year prior. I don't see why, if those 2 players stayed healthy, they wouldn't have a received something equivalent.

Every year, 1st round picks are getting traded for mid-level vets and yet here you are trying to ridicule another fanbase. Bold considering who you're rooting for.

Not only were all Habs tradeable assets hurt but 2023 was the deepest draft in years. 1sts were not avaiable. 2024 is likley not a deep draft so I suspect a few 1sts will be moved if there a lot of teams in contention.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

None of those are relevant since they were in previous regimes except Dadonove. HuGo do no get fleeced. And Dadonov is a cockroach who slept through the year and did nothing to make himself tradeable. He was worth NOTHING.

Where is Gurianov and where is Dadanov? What happened after the trade? Sorry, but Montreal got absolutely fleeced just like every trade with Dallas. lmfao