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Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

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Clearly they thought the picks were more valuable and less of a gamble than keeping Dach. It doesn't matter if they were right or wrong, that's what they thought. It has nothing to do with how Dach would've made them better or worst in their tank years, or how good he would be in 5 years. They saw more value in the what they got for him.
 
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CapsFrontOffice said:
I would be angry too but more and more teams are starting to consider it as an option to tank just to get picks for a rebuild and it works for the most part....look at Edmonton, Toronto sure it has and is taking forever but those two teams have the talent to do it.

With the way the league and salary caps are setup, if you are that low on the pole it pays to tank. Chicago is going to do a long term tank like Edmonton did. Buffalo did it but really screwed up everything else after achieving it.

However I will say teams who muscle through a rebuild via trades can still get decent picks and normally end up stronger hence Tampa, Carolina and Jersey.
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Toronto and Edmonton have a combined total of 3 playoff round wins over the past 15 years. No one is using their model as a template for success, not even them.

My Habs who have largely been terrible over that same stretch have 3 times as many playoff rounds won as Tor/Edm combined.

No one is trading 21 year olds because they are rebuilding except for Chicago, Edmonton didn’t do it and neither did Toronto, although them not doing it is hardly an endorsement for or against.
 
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BehindTheTimes said:
No one is trading 21 year olds because they are rebuilding except for Chicago, Edmonton didn’t do it and neither did Toronto, although them not doing it is hardly an endorsement for or against.
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As a Hawks fan - I think that the trade was more about their concern about Dach's development than them worrying that he would "hurt the rebuild". There are a ton of players who were drafted in that range who disappoint. Sometimes smart GM's can see their mistakes early and stick someone else with the ticking time-bomb (Griffin Reinhart for example). Other times it just takes a while for that player to develop.
 
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Ezpz said:
I still don't understand the logic regarding "rebuilds take 4-5 years". He'd be still under UFA age. Are they just expecting to keep zero of their current prospects before 2022 too? Like I understand maybe cutting off Strome or Debrincat as you think they'll be 30, but Dach isn't going to keep you out of the basement by himself.
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He wasn’t good for us. There were reasons and mitigating factors, but the simple fact is he wasn’t good. If he had one more bad year for us his value would have been zero. I’m glad for the kid that he may be turning things around, but the Chicago perspective really isn’t that complicated.
 
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Ezpz said:
I still don't understand the logic regarding "rebuilds take 4-5 years". He'd be still under UFA age. Are they just expecting to keep zero of their current prospects before 2022 too? Like I understand maybe cutting off Strome or Debrincat as you think they'll be 30, but Dach isn't going to keep you out of the basement by himself.
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Blackhawks didn’t want him as one of their future core...period. I’ve always thought that their was something character wise that the team missed when interviewing him before the draft...something mistaken for confidence/leadership...and I noticed as he played more and more that other teams didn’t like him, and his teammates didn’t care to defend him over...something...I. Junior he had a teammate/bodyguard named Riley McKay whom Chicago signed to an AHL contract with Rockford...well well well that same teammate/bodyguard was traded to Laval(Montreal’s farm team) in the AHL now...and after a slow start Dach has picked it up...something there...can’t put my finger in it, but it’s a character issue that Dach has that Chicago decided they were done with

Northernhawk said:
Blackhawks didn’t want him as one of their future core...period. I’ve always thought that their was something character wise that the team missed when interviewing him before the draft...something mistaken for confidence/leadership...and I noticed as he played more and more that other teams didn’t like him, and his teammates didn’t care to defend him over...something...I. Junior he had a teammate/bodyguard named Riley McKay whom Chicago signed to an AHL contract with Rockford...well well well that same teammate/bodyguard was traded to Laval(Montreal’s farm team) in the AHL now...and after a slow start Dach has picked it up...something there...can’t put my finger in it, but it’s a character issue that Dach has that Chicago decided they were done with
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When(and it will happen) Dach gets moved from Montreal we’ll see what ‘their’ reason was...
 
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At some point, that line will need to learn to play defence.

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I like what i am seeing from Dach as a winger on the first line, but i havent seen anything from him at center yet. He is young and it could be that he will just learn this later (i hope so) but i dont think he can pivot a line yet. He is very young, so im hoping he will just learn from Suzuki and eventually form a duo of his own on the 2nd line. I still think a Slaf, Dach and Anderson line looks intimidating, though i find the latter to lack the offensive creativity needed for a top 6.
 
Voight said:
Yea, thats exactly who I was talking about :eyeroll:
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He's not?

Northernhawk said:
Blackhawks didn’t want him as one of their future core...period. I’ve always thought that their was something character wise that the team missed when interviewing him before the draft...something mistaken for confidence/leadership...and I noticed as he played more and more that other teams didn’t like him, and his teammates didn’t care to defend him over...something...I. Junior he had a teammate/bodyguard named Riley McKay whom Chicago signed to an AHL contract with Rockford...well well well that same teammate/bodyguard was traded to Laval(Montreal’s farm team) in the AHL now...and after a slow start Dach has picked it up...something there...can’t put my finger in it, but it’s a character issue that Dach has that Chicago decided they were done with


When(and it will happen) Dach gets moved from Montreal we’ll see what ‘their’ reason was...
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Oh is that the case? Is that why Toews lamented that Dach was traded and that he didn't get the chance to take him under his wing?
 
Spring in Fialta said:
It's always very funny when a poster you distinctly know doesn't watch Montreal Canadiens game pretends to know their players. Why do you pretend to know? :laugh:
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He's clearly not an elite center if you care to stop drinking the Habs koolaid.

Can he be one? Sure, don't see why not. But currently he is not.
 
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PuckG said:
Only one of those teams has 3 playoff round wins in the past 15 years.
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This is true. My point was simple, using the oilers and the leafs as a recipe on how to build a winning club is not what NHL teams are doing.
 
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Voight said:
I have seen him play a fair bit. Which is why I said he could be an elite center.

But he has yet to produce like one so I wouldn't call him one yet.
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He scored 60 on what was an AHL team that exploded the record for man-games lost. He's over a PPG this year. He was the best forward on a Cup finalist a year ago. There's no kool-aid going on. The guy's elite and will just keep proving it this year.
 
Spring in Fialta said:
He scored 60 on what was an AHL team that exploded the record for man-games lost. He's over a PPG this year. He was the best forward on a Cup finalist a year ago. There's no kool-aid going on. The guy's elite and will just keep proving it this year.
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He came in at 47. I know that's fantasy but its literally the first list that came up when i typed in top 30 nhl centers. Im sure i could find many more lists that dont have him top 30. He's not elite.
 
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Spring in Fialta said:
He scored 60 on what was an AHL team that exploded the record for man-games lost. He's over a PPG this year. He was the best forward on a Cup finalist a year ago. There's no kool-aid going on. The guy's elite and will just keep proving it this year.
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60 points is not an elite center/player even if its done on a bad team.

Over a PPG not even 20 games in. Lets see him do that over the entire year and we can have the discussion.
 
Voight said:
60 points is not an elite center/player even if its done on a bad team.

Over a PPG not even 20 games in. Lets see him do that over the entire year and we can have the discussion.
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Even if he hits 80-90 points that's still not elite. Look at McDavids numbers. That's elite.

Words like generational and elite get thrown around way too loosely around here.
 
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I think people are making up character issues about this kid. The new hawks wanted a fresh start and just wanted to be rid of everything to do with the past to the best of their ability to move people. You can agree or disagree and with this kid I tend to disagree but we’ll see in the end. I think also they gave up on him early based on how he did so far which is of course ridiculous.

I think character issues are a reach made by those who just hope that’s the reason.
 
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Spring in Fialta said:
It's always very funny when a poster you distinctly know doesn't watch Montreal Canadiens game pretends to know their players. Why do you pretend to know? :laugh:
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Hawks fan actually...and yea I’ve watched him play MORE than Habs fan have...he has noticeably been cheap shoted by the opposition to the point Eddie Olcyzk noted it in telecasts...and he’s come to the bench and his teammates didn’t care...something there, he’s a piece of work
 
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Northernhawk said:
Blackhawks didn’t want him as one of their future core...period. I’ve always thought that their was something character wise that the team missed when interviewing him before the draft...something mistaken for confidence/leadership...and I noticed as he played more and more that other teams didn’t like him, and his teammates didn’t care to defend him over...something...I. Junior he had a teammate/bodyguard named Riley McKay whom Chicago signed to an AHL contract with Rockford...well well well that same teammate/bodyguard was traded to Laval(Montreal’s farm team) in the AHL now...and after a slow start Dach has picked it up...something there...can’t put my finger in it, but it’s a character issue that Dach has that Chicago decided they were done with


When(and it will happen) Dach gets moved from Montreal we’ll see what ‘their’ reason was...
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....So you're a science-fiction writer?
 
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