Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

[Ezpz]

Dach is essentially what we wanted Kotkaniemi to be.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

At times he plays C while Nick plays down low on wing. Then swap positions depending on the situation. Their chemistry makes them a dangerous duo with Cole as the pure winger.

Dach will be back at C eventually.

As for Romanov, at the time of the trade, i was enraged. But i see the value, and not because Dach is breaking out - it’s because Guhle, Harris and Xhekaj have shown they belong.

As a Hawk fan that has seen 3 years of him and likes him as a player-leave him at wing. He's not a center. If he could win 44% of his draws it might be doable but he's been into the 30s for 2 seasons now. Dach is basically an auto loss at the dot.

 

[jfhabs]

When Chicago is ready to compete again, Dach would be about 27-28 though.

7 years rebuild !?!

It probably will but we won't know the Hawk side for a while. It depends on how the lost D+1 season affects Nazar. I still think Nazar is a damn good prospect but we'll see. I'm expecting him to spend two full seasons at Michigan.

Nazar is almost certainly not a Center in the NHL either. I'm sure Hawks mangement were hoping for Geekie.

 

[FerrisRox]

It seems many Habs fans have determined they are the clear and only winner.
Romanov (to NYI) to some of them is a 3rd pair guy.
The high picks (to Chgo) will be busts. … likely something they are used to.
Dach playing good for 15 games makes them the clear and only winner.

Please show where, in this thread, anybody said Romanov is a 3rd pair guy.

Please show where, in this thread, anyone said the picks to Chicago would be busts.

Should be exceedingly easy to do, because you claim "many" have made this claim.

If for some baffling reason you cannot do this, please apologize and admit you simply made all of this up for reasons that only you can understand.

 

[Tanknation]

7 years rebuild !?!


Nazar is almost certainly not a Center in the NHL either. I'm sure Hawks mangement were hoping for Geekie.

5 year's as he is 22 in few months. Plus, 5-7 years is pretty standard issued on a full tear down rebuild. Sometimes longer..

 

[jfhabs]

It probably will but we won't know the Hawk side for a while. It depends on how the lost D+1 season affects Nazar. I still think Nazar is a damn good prospect but we'll see. I'm expecting him to spend two full seasons at Michigan.

Nazar is almost certainly not a Center in the NHL either. I'm sure Hawks mangement were hoping for Geekie.

5 year's as he is 22 in few months. Plus, 5-7 years is pretty standard issued on a full tear down rebuild. Sometimes longer..

They didn't make the playoffs the past 5 years....

 

[Tanknation]

Nazar is almost certainly not a Center in the NHL either. I'm sure Hawks mangement were hoping for Geekie.

They didn't make the playoffs the past 5 years....

They just tore it down this year though...

 

[ClydeLee]

Nazar is almost certainly not a Center in the NHL either. I'm sure Hawks mangement were hoping for Geekie.

They didn't make the playoffs the past 5 years....

So? They were trying to win or retool those years.

It kinda is bizarre people don't seem to get they have openly stated their goals of a long term at least 5 year rebuild. It's not like nobody ever thought the Red Wings weren't rebuilding the last 3 years or something, but it seems ignored as a part of what people see when they see these moves. Trading Dach was partially about being worse this year but also the next 3 years forward.

 

[Dr Quincy]

So? They were trying to win or retool those years.

It kinda is bizarre people don't seem to get they have openly stated their goals of a long term at least 5 year rebuild. It's not like nobody ever thought the Red Wings weren't rebuilding the last 3 years or something, but it seems ignored as a part of what people see when they see these moves. Trading Dach was partially about being worse this year but also the next 3 years forward.

It's also bizarre that people think having a 27 year old on the roster with 21 year olds is some sort of abhorent thing. And it's bizarre to think that you want a roster of 15 20 year olds, a couple of 19 year olds and an 18 year old.

If they wanted to trade Dach because they had doubts about his potential... that's fine.
If they wanted to trade him because they loved the guys available in the 1st this year, that's fine.

But if they dealt him because they thought he was too old... that's just stupid.

 

[StreetHawk]

So? They were trying to win or retool those years.

It kinda is bizarre people don't seem to get they have openly stated their goals of a long term at least 5 year rebuild. It's not like nobody ever thought the Red Wings weren't rebuilding the last 3 years or something, but it seems ignored as a part of what people see when they see these moves. Trading Dach was partially about being worse this year but also the next 3 years forward.

Virtually no current Hawks players will be on the roster when they return to the Playoffs. Seth Jones is probably the only guy if he doesn’t get traded but I would imagine he and rhe team
Would prefer a trade but given his $9.5 mill cap hit it’s going to be tough to execute a trade.

 

[japhi]

It's also bizarre that people think having a 27 year old on the roster with 21 year olds is some sort of abhorent thing. And it's bizarre to think that you want a roster of 15 20 year olds, a couple of 19 year olds and an 18 year old.

If they wanted to trade Dach because they had doubts about his potential... that's fine.
If they wanted to trade him because they loved the guys available in the 1st this year, that's fine.

But if they dealt him because they thought he was too old... that's just stupid.

Exactly, who gets rid of a recent #3 OA, 21 YO player, because they are rebuilding? What is the point of rebuilding if not getting good young players? Is the Hawks plan to run a team if 19 year olds?

 

[StreetHawk]

Exactly, who gets rid of a recent #3 OA, 21 YO player, because they are rebuilding? What is the point of rebuilding if not getting good young players? Is the Hawks plan to run a team if 19 year olds?

That’s what is going on with Detroit fans and Larkin. He’s 26 this year and turns 27 when he hits ufa in 2023. Price to extend him will be high but he’s ufa so have to pay for those ufa years. Can’t be thinking that they should deal him unless his cap hit is going to throw the pay scale out of whack. But, they aren’t exactly deep at the C position in the pipeline either.

 

[Northernhawk]

Max Domi 14gp 4g 6a 10pts 18:02toi

Kirby Dach 15gp 4g 10a 14pts 15:50toi

Chicago 6-5-3

Montreal 8-6-1

 

[ole ole]

Please show where, in this thread, anybody said Romanov is a 3rd pair guy.

Please show where, in this thread, anyone said the picks to Chicago would be busts.

Should be exceedingly easy to do, because you claim "many" have made this claim.

If for some baffling reason you cannot do this, please apologize and admit you simply made all of this up for reasons that only you can understand.

Simple put he can't. All he did was throw crap at a wall and hoped it would stick. Nothing stuck.
.

 

[HabsAddict]

Dach is fitting in with peers at his level AND comfortable playing with them. That's why he's looking like his 3rd overall.

At this rate, the entire line may be top 20 in scoring and Suzuki top 10.

 

[BLNY]

Romanov is doing well with Islanders. He's the biggest addition to their team last offseason and they have improved a ton this year as a team. He's 2nd on the team in even strength minutes. Calling him a bottom 4 D is unnecessary attempt at boosting HuGo.

Yah. Calling Romanov a "bottom 4" defender is not only a narrative that few real habs fans would hold, but it's a new term. It's top pair, top 4, or bottom pairing.

He's gonna be a sturdy minute-eating defender that can skate and hit for a long time. Aside from dealing from a position of strength, I think a reason for moving him was that he appears to have very limited upside offensively.

I think Montreal sold high on a guy they picked in the second round and Chicago sold low on Dach. If Montreal approached Chicago and offered Romanov for the third overall pick in 2019, the Hawks would have laughed. If Montreal had the 13th pick in 2019, and offered it straight up for Dach, the Hawks would have laughed. Dach has fit in very well with the youth movement and messaging from MSL. We're happy. I'm glad to hear Romanov is doing well with the Isles. There's a lot to like about his game and personality.

 

[ole ole]

Romanov is doing well with Islanders. He's the biggest addition to their team last offseason and they have improved a ton this year as a team. He's 2nd on the team in even strength minutes. Calling him a bottom 4 D is unnecessary attempt at boosting HuGo.

Ya i don't get the bottom 4 part. He's either 1st pairing - top 2 . 2nd pairing top 4 or 3rd pairing top6.
I see him as a very good 2nd pairing D-man. That is top 4 as i see it.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Ya i don't get the bottom 4 part. He's either 1st pairing - top 2 . 2nd pairing top 4 or 3rd pairing top6.
I see him as a very good 2nd pairing D-man. That is top 4 as i see it.

I would say top 4 also, but I kinda understand the bottom 4 part as many would consider him to not have the potential to be a #1 or 2 defenseman. Therefore he can end up in any role 3/4/5/6. The term seems derogatory though.

 

[jfhabs]

It's also bizarre that people think having a 27 year old on the roster with 21 year olds is some sort of abhorent thing. And it's bizarre to think that you want a roster of 15 20 year olds, a couple of 19 year olds and an 18 year old.

If they wanted to trade Dach because they had doubts about his potential... that's fine.
If they wanted to trade him because they loved the guys available in the 1st this year, that's fine.

But if they dealt him because they thought he was too old... that's just stupid.

I think they doubted his potential. Is it fine, yes and no.
Yes, it's always good to be able to recognize a mistake if you made one.
No, they didn't identify their mistake properly. It seems like it was a player management issue more then a potential issue.

So far it seems like they misjudge his potential and traded him too soon.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I don't think Dach would be doing this in Chicago. Suzuki and Caufield are better than any forward the Hawks have outside of Patrick Kane.

They traded him because it just wasn't going to happen here.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't think Dach would be doing this in Chicago. Suzuki and Caufield are better than any forward the Hawks have outside of Patrick Kane.

They traded him because it just wasn't going to happen here.

More importantly, he feels part of that line of peers.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I don't think Dach would be doing this in Chicago. Suzuki and Caufield are better than any forward the Hawks have outside of Patrick Kane.

They traded him because it just wasn't going to happen here.

like fetch

 

[BLNY]

I don't think Dach would be doing this in Chicago. Suzuki and Caufield are better than any forward the Hawks have outside of Patrick Kane.

They traded him because it just wasn't going to happen here.

He's full marks though. He didn't start the year with them. His play with others garnered him the chance. He's taken advantage of that chance. He's not just complimentary, or feeding off the others. His size, speed, play along the boards, etc. are all welcome additions. His play on the OT winner last night was all him - setting up Hoffman.

 

[Ezpz]

I still don't understand the logic regarding "rebuilds take 4-5 years". He'd be still under UFA age. Are they just expecting to keep zero of their current prospects before 2022 too? Like I understand maybe cutting off Strome or Debrincat as you think they'll be 30, but Dach isn't going to keep you out of the basement by himself.

 

[QJL]

Horrible trade for Chicago, and I had Nazar ranked #5.