Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

[Bee Holder]

But he will also “probably never be a bottom line D”.
If the other Dmen are either better than him or not as good it could push him up or down the lineup.
How they are used doesn’t necessarily define the players overall skill level. If it did Patrick Kane was grossly overpaid since he spent his 1st 12-13 years in the league as a 2nd line RW.

He is a 2nd pair Dman.
If you’re listing players 1 - thru - xx in the nhl today he is easily between 63 and 128 among the D.

Correct, but on a decently constructed team, he’s more likely to drop on the 3rd pair than to jump on the 1st

 

[Bee Holder]

My whole point was mostly that Dach seems to already show more value than Romy right now. And on top of that, it looks like Dach has a comfortable amount of room to grow whereas Romy may improve but he feels closer to a final product, “what you see is what you get” type of player

 

[Colezuki]

We just wasted Romanov and 2 picks for a 3rd Center

Sick new management , from perfect trade deadline into a Joel Armia 2.0 and a 3rd line center.
Now when we trade Petry we literally have nobody to play in the top 4 defensively.

We better win Bedard race because if not this team is doomed for 5-6 years

God it feels great to bump this on you as your negativity always is pounding along

I feel like this trade boils down to one team will comes out looking like a genius some five years from now.

Prophetic

Davidson fleeced Hughes

lol the smoke monster and MSL are undefeated

I watch the Habs often. Dach is playing better but … he still doesn’t win (or really even compete) in board battles so he’s not strong defensively. For his size his skating is average at best.
He’s FINALLY shooting the puck more. That was why in my other post I said I hoped the trade was a wake up call. He could be alone between the dots and he’d look for someone to pass to.
Like I said, it’s possible for trades to work out for all involved.

While I can’t say whether dach was or wasn’t like in years past and his shooting style. But he’s ionly really opened up in the last couple of games and it’s not something I would’ve said is his best trait. I only really expect him to score 20-30 at his peak. With that said I did see you comment that he’s not winning board battles. He strikes me as the kind of gentle giant dude but I can see him getting more physical around 25-26. There’s glimpses of that mean side but it’s not ready yet. In the short term though Suzuki and caufield don’t play cycle to score it’s almost all off the transition which may just fit dachs style better vs the old hawks style of wear every team the f down and then have Kane slide in and score with the opposing team worn down.

All that said this thread is a great example of the BS of this board. There are two winners of this three way trade and one loser, NYI win because they shored up their middle pair and gave Dobson a partner. The Canadians got a top line winger or 2c. The Blackhawks were trading a player who had more potential then anyone in the 22 draft including slaf for a 13 selection. Think I’m wrong? During the draft it was all but announced that the scouts thought that only a few players had an outside chance of being first liners, it was slaf, Wright, Cooley, Nemec and jiricek.

Dach is currently almost a ppg after 15 games and since joining Suzuki and caufield has elevated all three players point totals.

Suzuki before - 7p in 8gp after- 10p in 6gp
Caufield before-7p in 8 gp after- 8p in 6gp

So they traded a potential 1st line winger with skill and size for a 1st round pick who would go on to be a 5’10 player with skill whose now missing a key development year due to injury

Right now it’s a habs W, Islanders W and Blackhawks L.

 

[Space umpire]

God it feels great to bump this on you as your negativity always is pounding along

Prophetic

lol the smoke monster and MSL are undefeated

While I can’t say whether dach was or wasn’t like in years past and his shooting style. But he’s ionly really opened up in the last couple of games and it’s not something I would’ve said is his best trait. I only really expect him to score 20-30 at his peak. With that said I did see you comment that he’s not winning board battles. He strikes me as the kind of gentle giant dude but I can see him getting more physical around 25-26. There’s glimpses of that mean side but it’s not ready yet. In the short term though Suzuki and caufield don’t play cycle to score it’s almost all off the transition which may just fit dachs style better vs the old hawks style of wear every team the f down and then have Kane slide in and score with the opposing team worn down.

All that said this thread is a great example of the BS of this board. There are two winners of this three way trade and one loser, NYI win because they shored up their middle pair and gave Dobson a partner. The Canadians got a top line winger or 2c. The Blackhawks were trading a player who had more potential then anyone in the 22 draft including slaf for a 13 selection. Think I’m wrong? During the draft it was all but announced that the scouts thought that only a few players had an outside chance of being first liners, it was slaf, Wright, Cooley, Nemec and jiricek.

Dach is currently almost a ppg after 15 games and since joining Suzuki and caufield has elevated all three players point totals.

Suzuki before - 7p in 8gp after- 10p in 6gp
Caufield before-7p in 8 gp after- 8p in 6gp

So they traded a potential 1st line winger with skill and size for a 1st round pick who would go on to be a 5’10 player with skill whose now missing a key development year due to injury

Right now it’s a habs W, Islanders W and Blackhawks L.

You declaring clear winners and losers in a trade that also involved high draft picks 10 to 15 games into the 1st year after the trade is certainly a great and on point example of the BS on this board.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

God it feels great to bump this on you as your negativity always is pounding along

Prophetic

lol the smoke monster and MSL are undefeated

While I can’t say whether dach was or wasn’t like in years past and his shooting style. But he’s ionly really opened up in the last couple of games and it’s not something I would’ve said is his best trait. I only really expect him to score 20-30 at his peak. With that said I did see you comment that he’s not winning board battles. He strikes me as the kind of gentle giant dude but I can see him getting more physical around 25-26. There’s glimpses of that mean side but it’s not ready yet. In the short term though Suzuki and caufield don’t play cycle to score it’s almost all off the transition which may just fit dachs style better vs the old hawks style of wear every team the f down and then have Kane slide in and score with the opposing team worn down.

All that said this thread is a great example of the BS of this board. There are two winners of this three way trade and one loser, NYI win because they shored up their middle pair and gave Dobson a partner. The Canadians got a top line winger or 2c. The Blackhawks were trading a player who had more potential then anyone in the 22 draft including slaf for a 13 selection. Think I’m wrong? During the draft it was all but announced that the scouts thought that only a few players had an outside chance of being first liners, it was slaf, Wright, Cooley, Nemec and jiricek.

Dach is currently almost a ppg after 15 games and since joining Suzuki and caufield has elevated all three players point totals.

Suzuki before - 7p in 8gp after- 10p in 6gp
Caufield before-7p in 8 gp after- 8p in 6gp

So they traded a potential 1st line winger with skill and size for a 1st round pick who would go on to be a 5’10 player with skill whose now missing a key development year due to injury

Right now it’s a habs W, Islanders W and Blackhawks L.

Lol not even 20 games in. Also kinda weird he was doing nothing until paired up with the only players contributing.

I won't change my idea. Hugues traded for a center and got a winger instead. Teams don't win shit with Dvorak as their second center.

Also Seth Jones is washed in Kane and Toews are leaving this deadline at worse. Chicago will be battling what they wanted and its a top 3.

Still a huge in Chicago who needs a new face with all the shits been around lately.
W chicago

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Lol not even 20 games in. Also kinda weird he was doing nothing until paired up with the only players contributing.

I won't change my idea. Hugues traded for a center and got a winger instead. Teams don't win shit with Dvorak as their second center.

Also Seth Jones is washed in Kane and Toews are leaving this deadline at worse. Chicago will be battling what they wanted and its a top 3.

Still a huge in Chicago who needs a new face with all the shits been around lately.
W chicago

Lol get out of of here. Funny how multiple players have been tried on that line and done jackshit. He's doing better than Toffoli did back in the day. Dvorak won't be the 2nd line C long term. Are you too busy stat watching or did you not see how Beck did at camp? Admit when you're wrong and move on.

 

[Zilo44]

Lol not even 20 games in. Also kinda weird he was doing nothing until paired up with the only players contributing.

I won't change my idea. Hugues traded for a center and got a winger instead. Teams don't win shit with Dvorak as their second center.

Also Seth Jones is washed in Kane and Toews are leaving this deadline at worse. Chicago will be battling what they wanted and its a top 3.

Still a huge in Chicago who needs a new face with all the shits been around lately.
W chicago

Lol at W chicago.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Habs fans are hard to take seriously. maybe not every habs fan plenty of good ones but you should know the ones Im talking about

KK is the greatest ever and will be the greatest - traded now he sucks balls
Romanov before got nothing but praise and was on his way to becoming a solid 4 Dman - gone now so he's now shit with barely any room to grow his game.
Dach has miles more room to grow still, let me guess if he was traded tomorrow his room to grow would be much much smaller
god.... just so over the top on both sides of the coin

 

[BLONG7]

It's early but Dach has been fantastic for the Habs...............and man some of the takes in this thread are white hot!!
I loved Romy, but since day 1 of this trade, I really thought Dach had a huge upside...............we are starting to see this already.

Habs haven't had a 1st line for the past 10 years..............Dach Suzuki and Caufield are playing extremely well together.

Habs fans are hard to take seriously. maybe not every habs fan plenty of good ones but you should know the ones Im talking about

KK is the greatest ever and will be the greatest - traded now he sucks balls
Romanov before got nothing but praise and was on his way to becoming a solid 4 Dman - gone now so he's now shit with barely any room to grow his game.
Dach has miles more room to grow still, let me guess if he was traded tomorrow his room to grow would be much much smaller
god.... just so over the top on both sides of the coin

Every fan base has this happening.............take a look at the leafs board, absolutely brutal at times....

 

[Zilo44]

Habs fans are hard to take seriously. maybe not every habs fan plenty of good ones but you should know the ones Im talking about

KK is the greatest ever and will be the greatest - traded now he sucks balls
Romanov before got nothing but praise and was on his way to becoming a solid 4 Dman - gone now so he's now shit with barely any room to grow his game.
Dach has miles more room to grow still, let me guess if he was traded tomorrow his room to grow would be much much smaller
god.... just so over the top on both sides of the coin

Most Habs fans acknowledge that Romanov is a good defenseman. I don’t think he is first pairing material, but surely 2nd pairing. So yeah the bottom 4 comment is misleading.

As it’s been said several times, Habs fans loves Romanov. It’s just that LHD was somehow a position of strength in our prospect pool.

As for KK, yeah the whole KK-Aho debacle has its load of pettiness. Shitty situation for both teams as Montreal lost a former 3OV, Carolina inked him to a deal he probably won’t live up to and Mtl traded the 1st pick compensation for Dvorak.

 

[GrandBison]

Satisfied so far with the move. If Romanov was RH, it wouldn't have happen but at some point, Hughes had to make room for Guhle or Harris (now it's both!), and that was Romanov spot. Habs fans are not used to the luxury of trading from strength.

 

[ole ole]

Habs fans are hard to take seriously. maybe not every habs fan plenty of good ones but you should know the ones Im talking about

KK is the greatest ever and will be the greatest - traded now he sucks balls
Romanov before got nothing but praise and was on his way to becoming a solid 4 Dman - gone now so he's now shit with barely any room to grow his game.
Dach has miles more room to grow still, let me guess if he was traded tomorrow his room to grow would be much much smaller
god.... just so over the top on both sides of the coin

Kind of like
Jack Campbell is the best goalies in the league. Traded now he sucks.
Travis Dermott is going to be a top 2nd line D- Traded now he sucks.
Kapanen is a top 1st line player-Traded now he sucks.
What fans are hard to take seriously again?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Kind of like
Jack Campbell is the best goalies in the league. Traded now he sucks.
Travis Dermott is going to be a top 2nd line D- Traded now he sucks.
Kapanen is a top 1st line player-Traded now he sucks.
What fans are hard to take seriously again?

We have been talking about how poor Campbell's play has been since like December of last year
Dermott looked like a top 4 Dman not a top 2 in his rookie year problem is he never continued development just stayed the same
I dont think anyone really says anything bad about Kap we still like Kap and wish him nothing but luck just like majority of our ex players

I mean nice try but poor examples

 

[ole ole]

We have been talking about how poor Campbell's play has been since like December of last year
Dermott looked like a top 4 Dman not a top 2 in his rookie year problem is he never continued development just stayed the same
I dont think anyone really says anything bad about Kap we still like Kap and wish him nothing but luck just like majority of our ex players

I mean nice try but poor examples

And the Habs were coming down hard on KK before the offer sheet
Most Hab fans didn't want to trade Romanov but we traded from a position of strength. On Dack time will tell.
See we both can put spins on anything to suit our liking. Examples were just as good as the ones you used.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

And the Habs were coming down hard on KK before the offer sheet
Most Hab fans didn't want to trade Romanov but we traded from a position of strength. On Dack time will tell.
See we both can put spins on anything to suit our liking. Examples were just as good as the ones you used.

fine I can agree with you on that but I think KK was the worst. the day before he was traded he was viewed as a potential star then the next day he was viewed at a bottom 6 player and a bum. I can get that though was a shady way to lose a player and fans were pissed.

 

[ole ole]

fine I can agree with you on that but I think KK was the worst. the day before he was traded he was viewed as a potential star then the next day he was viewed at a bottom 6 player and a bum. I can get that though was a shady way to lose a player and fans were pissed.

While we were pissed about losing him we are quite happy about it now. The Canes are now stuck with a 20 pt player for the next 8 seasons.

 

[Ezpz]

Habs fans are hard to take seriously. maybe not every habs fan plenty of good ones but you should know the ones Im talking about

KK is the greatest ever and will be the greatest - traded now he sucks balls
Romanov before got nothing but praise and was on his way to becoming a solid 4 Dman - gone now so he's now shit with barely any room to grow his game.
Dach has miles more room to grow still, let me guess if he was traded tomorrow his room to grow would be much much smaller
god.... just so over the top on both sides of the coin

Yeah go to our forum when the offer sheet hit and tell me the percentage of fans who voted to match the offer sheet. There was a lot of anti-KK posters in his final year over the lack of progress.

Romanov has never been a puckmover at any level, but we felt with opportunity he could grow, and he didn't. We all think he's a top 4 but not capable of being a true top pairing guy. Nobody thinks he's trash or wanted to get rid of him.

 

[BLONG7]

I understand there are people like this everywhere I just happen to see it mostly from the Habs fanbase and not talking about all fans like I did say

Rival fan bases...........it happens.
Habs fans react to the leaf fans and their bias also...............it is what it is.........
Couple of days ago a leaf fan started a trade Debrincat and sens fans were WTF?
Every group has their share of biased idiots, some more than others....

 

[Arthur Morgan]

While we were pissed about losing him we are quite happy about it now. The Canes are now stuck with a 20 pt player for the next 8 seasons.

still has room to grow with the cap going up it could potentially turn into something nice but yeah not the best contract for what hes given so far

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Rival fan bases...........it happens.
Habs fans react to the leaf fans and their bias also...............it is what it is.........
Couple of days ago a leaf fan started a trade Debrincat and sens fans were WTF?
Every group has their share of biased idiots, some more than others....

cant disagree with ya man, and I missed that one on Debrincat. weird when fans for other teams start threads like that

 

[waitin425]

Obviously I hope that the Habs win this trade. But can't we just be happy for all three teams and then players involved. The Czar is a great defender and I miss him on our team. But missing him is tempered quite easily by loving Dach more.

 

[japhi]

Dach looks fantastic in Montreal and has since camp. He has great vision, is a very slick playmaker, can make plays in tight areas and while he isn't physical, he doesn't pull up on plays and seems comfortable in traffic. And whether he is a C or not really doesn't matter - he is very clearly a top 6 forward and is a huge offensive upgrade for us. The SUZ/CAU line looks significantly better with him on it - he had three primary assists the other night, he is a play driver, not a passenger.

I loved Romo and am not surprised he is doing well in NY - he will get better, is still quite raw. The offense may still come, on some level anyways. Will probably play 15 years in the NHL as a top 4 D, that's a good deal for the NYI in exchange for an early mid round 1st.`

Chicago's picks may or may not turn out, but statistically there is a decent chance they have no impact, and the odds of one of them being as good as the young player they traded away is low. I get that they are rebuilding but Dach is 21, unless they are planning a 10 year rebuild there is no reason a 21 YO couldn't be core to a rebuild. Calling this a W for CHI shows a serious lack of understanding of how this is likely to play out.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

One of Dach's biggest strengths is his stickhandling/deking for a guy that size. He has some moves in him. He stickhandles like a 5-10 guy sometimes. I wonder if he's shown you guys that yet. He doesn't break it out often but when he does he can walk defenders. If you gave Dach his brother's shot and any ability to win faceoffs.....boy you'd have a special player.

I really have moved on though because this was never going to happen in Chicago. He needed a fresh start and Stan Bowman set him up to fail.

 

[jiboy]

It might just be a three way win-win-win situation

Very rare to see that happen

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

It might just be a three way win-win-win situation

Very rare to see that happen

It probably will but we won't know the Hawk side for a while. It depends on how the lost D+1 season affects Nazar. I still think Nazar is a damn good prospect but we'll see. I'm expecting him to spend two full seasons at Michigan.