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Romanov is a solid defenseman and was tough to see him go. Not surprised he's doing well in NY. So far, this trade seems to be a win - win for the Habs and Islanders. It remains to be seen how this will turn out for Chicago.
Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)
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This was effectively a three-way trade and I think all three are happy to date.
Rare win-win-win.
Rare win-win-win.
Kaners Bald Spot
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Yeah, Nazar is still a good prospect and I like Hayes as a possible 3rd liner.
Nazar fits the Hawks timeline better than Kirby Dach as well.
I’m glad he’s producing a bit when matched as a wing with probably your 2 best forwards.
He was tried with Kane and D-cat and was an anchor.
Always liked him though. Hopefully the trade was a bit of a wake up for him to get it in gear.
He played small for his size in Chicago didn’t play well along the boards and seemingly refused to shoot too often.
As a Hawk fan I’m elated with what we got for him.
It is possible for a trade to work out for all involved teams.
He was tried with Kane and D-cat and was an anchor.
Always liked him though. Hopefully the trade was a bit of a wake up for him to get it in gear.
He played small for his size in Chicago didn’t play well along the boards and seemingly refused to shoot too often.
As a Hawk fan I’m elated with what we got for him.
It is possible for a trade to work out for all involved teams.
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Glad to hear it. I was super disappointed to see Romanov go. He's a really solid player and teammate. He's a young top 4 d-man.
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Kaners Bald Spot
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Nazar is 2-3 years away from signing his ELC. He's going to miss most of the season recovering from surgery (I saw somewhere that it was a sports hernia but that's a rumor at this point)
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When Chicago is ready to compete again, Dach would be about 27-28 though.
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Kaners Bald Spot
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No that's the tail end. Prime is 23-26 roughly for forwards in terms of point scoring.
Kirby Dach is 21. He’s so young still. There is no reason why a 21 year old can’t be part of a rebuilding teams timeline
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Maybe 1-2 years of prime where Nazar would be prime for another 4 or 5.
Kaners Bald Spot
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Quite frankly he needed a wakeup call and it's working so far. I don't think he would have figured it out in Chicago.
This.
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22 in a few months. 28 when Hawks are ready to compete. Not saying 21 and 22 is old to rebuild with, but clearly they wanted go another direction
I'm not sure I'd call it Win/Win/Win. Chicago did OK but IMO it's a Montreal Win/Islanders Win/Chicago moderate loss. Montreal got a solid young player with a floor of a 3C and a ceiling of a top 6C who also adds great flexibility to the top line and strong transition play, hands along the boards, playmaking ability, size, and raw skill the Habs were/are lacking. The Islanders got a very unique #4D who walks in to a perfect situation next to Dobson and can grow into a safe 2nd-pair role for the next 10 years and add a nasty element to their blue line with the potential of becoming a #3.
I like Nazar quite a bit as a prospect and I think he's a nice get for Chicago if they decided they absolutely had to sell at a perceived high on Dach, but the two other teams involved in this series of trades got NHL players that are currently holding their own as a 1RW and 2LD at 21 and 22 years old and the other team got a brand new mid 1st rounder who hasn't played a single game in college yet. It's possible Nazar turns out as a better player than Dach and Romanov in the future, but the expected value here heavily favours Montreal and the Islanders for acquiring players who have passed the biggest prospect filter of all by establishing themselves as legitimate NHL players and who still have development runway left. Nazar is a good prospect but he's not some can't miss stud you have to do everything in your power to get.
I'm not trying to be a dick but the stuff about Dach not fitting Chicago's timeline reads as cope to me. If you think you need 6 seasons to rebuild from the studs then you should fire that front office because there's no reason for it to take that long. Buffalo and Arizona style extended tanking and misery is not something you should be aiming for. It is ludicrous to me to suggest that rebuilding teams should trade 21-year-olds for "timeline" reasons. If you want to justify the trade by saying the fit wasn't right or that he needed a change of scenery, selling high on the player, yadda yadda that's a reasonable position, but if you're trading away 21 year olds because you're planning to be garbage for 6 years that's not a good or smart thing to do.
I like Nazar quite a bit as a prospect and I think he's a nice get for Chicago if they decided they absolutely had to sell at a perceived high on Dach, but the two other teams involved in this series of trades got NHL players that are currently holding their own as a 1RW and 2LD at 21 and 22 years old and the other team got a brand new mid 1st rounder who hasn't played a single game in college yet. It's possible Nazar turns out as a better player than Dach and Romanov in the future, but the expected value here heavily favours Montreal and the Islanders for acquiring players who have passed the biggest prospect filter of all by establishing themselves as legitimate NHL players and who still have development runway left. Nazar is a good prospect but he's not some can't miss stud you have to do everything in your power to get.
I'm not trying to be a dick but the stuff about Dach not fitting Chicago's timeline reads as cope to me. If you think you need 6 seasons to rebuild from the studs then you should fire that front office because there's no reason for it to take that long. Buffalo and Arizona style extended tanking and misery is not something you should be aiming for. It is ludicrous to me to suggest that rebuilding teams should trade 21-year-olds for "timeline" reasons. If you want to justify the trade by saying the fit wasn't right or that he needed a change of scenery, selling high on the player, yadda yadda that's a reasonable position, but if you're trading away 21 year olds because you're planning to be garbage for 6 years that's not a good or smart thing to do.
I watch the Habs often. Dach is playing better but … he still doesn’t win (or really even compete) in board battles so he’s not strong defensively. For his size his skating is average at best.
He’s FINALLY shooting the puck more. That was why in my other post I said I hoped the trade was a wake up call. He could be alone between the dots and he’d look for someone to pass to.
Like I said, it’s possible for trades to work out for all involved.
Where the Habs really came out ahead was the signing of Dach to a 4-year 3.3M AAV team friendly contract. That contract exacerbates Dach's value. And he's still a RFA at the end of it!
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Some posters were upset about Dach since 18 years old to 20, and I don’t really know why. It’s like if I was upset by Slafkovsky production. I mean, the only thing we know, is those guys arent generationnal one. We shouldnt expect an impressive production in the NHL at this age. Especially for those oversized guy like Slaf and Dach. They are just keep improving. Look at Tage Thompson. They trend to be better when They are older. Dach is a really good player imo and glad we have him.
Which is normal as it takes big guys time to get their timing and coordination and to adjust to the speed of the NHL game.
Not every big-man are like Lindros and Jagr who were freakishly coordinated at an early age.
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He didn't really play with Kane/Debrincat last year
He was mostly stuck with 3rd/4th liners, can't really expect much out of him in that scenario.
But he will also “probably never be a bottom line D”.
If the other Dmen are either better than him or not as good it could push him up or down the lineup.
How they are used doesn’t necessarily define the players overall skill level. If it did Patrick Kane was grossly overpaid since he spent his 1st 12-13 years in the league as a 2nd line RW.
He is a 2nd pair Dman.
If you’re listing players 1 - thru - xx in the nhl today he is easily between 63 and 128 among the D.
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Love to see Kirby playing well. It hurt to move him but the kid was never going to reach his potential here in Chicago due to multiple factors that were out of his control. I count it as a win-win due to the fact that I think Nazar could be really good for us and Hayes looks like he could be a solid middle sixer.
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Well if he sits at 127 among D-man than that would make him a bottom 4 D-man. Since your the one attaching Numbers. 32 teams x 4 = 128
A 2nd pair D is the same thing as a #3/4 D-man.
Habs traded from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.
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