Proposal: MTL & CGY

[The Gr8 Dane]

what do you mean , losing Mailloux, Mesar and CGY first makes us lost ?

You get lost mate

No i'm saying you are lost and your ability to talk about hockey players valuation on the trade forum is incredibly worrisome , I do hope you acquire the hockey knowledge to one day make interesting points/proposals/trades/player evaluations

 

[Habby4Life]

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak + Pezz
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

If Conroy accepted that he should be fired 10 seconds after trade announced then checked in for rehab. Because any GM accepting that offer would have to be on something.

 

[CanadienShark]

No he isn't. A blue chipper prospect is a can't miss prospect. The fact he was in the AHL at all means he's not a blue chipper if we're honest.

Also you guys drafted the piece of trash, you keep your human garbage.

Talk about hyperbole. You clearly have no idea what the whole issue was or what he's done since.

 

[JustAHabFan]

That's a weak offer from the Habs.

The real offer here is the Florida pick around 27th OA, a B level dime a dozen guy in Mesar and a solid B+/A- guy in Mailloux with some bad noise around him that will always be in the background.

Easy no from the Flames if I'm their GM. I'd be a hard no on Mesar as part of the deal and I'd want the Habs 2025 1st instead. And someone/thing better than Mesar.

Habs 2025 1st (top 5 protected / assume ~13th OA value range) + Mailloux + better prospect than Mesar.

We are not going to give this package for Andersons.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Funny how people are 100% sure that CGY will finish top 10 in the draft.

Top 9 forwards are not bad at all.
Top 4 D is pretty good as well.

If they want to finish top 10 in the draft they need to start selling.
If not they might end up between #11 to #15 or around that.

Nobody is calling it 100%, it's just closer to a 90% thing. Since the Flames traded away Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev they went 7-14. Since then all they have done is trade their starting goaltender who was coming off a fantastic season, and all they have added since then is the depth defenseman Bahl. Mangaipane was basically replaced by Mantha and Kylington was by Bean, it's too early to call either of those upgrades or downgrades but I would lean towards downgrade at the moment.

If we look at all the teams that finished near or around them in the standings, they all made relatively significant upgrades to their rosters since the last trade deadline:
- The Habs added a top 6 forward and are expecting the return of Dach, they also likely have one of their young dmen make the team (my guess is Hutson).
- The Yotes (now Utah HC) added Sergachev and Marino.
- The Sens added a starting goalie and some forward depth. They lost chychrun but Jensen is great defensively which is what they needed the most.
- The Kraken added Stephenson and Montour, they also probably won't be playing with a core player injured all season long again.
- the Devils added a starting goalie (from the Flames) upgraded Marino to Pesce, and Bahl to Dillon. Also Dougie's back.
- The Sabres added forward depth and will have a full season with Byram now. They also got a new coach.
- Philly added Michkov and Minny re-added Spurgeon, but those 2 teams were still a fair bit ahead of Calgary in the standings

Sure you can probably make the argument that Calgary's young guys will take the next step but that same argument can be made about every team I mentioned above, and including teams like Chicago, Anaheim, and Columbus.

The Flames aren't going to go get blown out by the opposition like San Jose did last year. They will make games interesting but fundamentally they lack the star power to win on a consistent basis , and unless Wolf or Vladar catches lightning in a bottle they will probably average over 3 goals against per game and less than 3 for per game.

 

[pth2]

Nobody is calling it 100%, it's just closer to a 90% thing. Since the Flames traded away Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev they went 7-14. Since then all they have done is trade their starting....

Saying the Flames are 90% sure to be picking top 10 seems reasonable. Add a 5% chance Florida falls apart and becomes a lottery team, and it's 85% odds that Montreal gets Florida's pick, which would then be a pick in the 17 to 32 range.

 

[crackdown44]

Trade doesn’t make sense for either team and is somehow bad for both

10/10 good job

 

[Rob Sense]

Mailloux Draft +1 and +2 combined:
71 games, 62 points, +22

Brzustewicz Draft +1:
67 games, 92 points, +31

In their pre draft as prospects you may have been right, but Brzustewicz just had a more impressive season than any of Mailloux’s 3 years since his draft, and appears to have built off it with his extremely strong play this pre-season so far.

Not an accurate comparison, Mailloux missed a lot of games due to covid and suspension. His development was stalled. He has caught up and had a great year in AHL...who is Bustewicz? Time will tell.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not an accurate comparison, Mailloux missed a lot of games due to covid and suspension. His development was stalled. He has caught up and had a great year in AHL...who is Bustewicz? Time will tell.

The point is OP said Mailloux is better than Brzustewicz, which is pretty baseless. Bruz will be making his AHL debut this season and we will have a much better outlook on how they compare to each other but as it stands right now one is not clearly better than the other. The person you responded to did not say Bruz was better but that numbers in junior definitely favor him.

 

[Rob Sense]

The point is OP said Mailloux is better than Brzustewicz, which is pretty baseless. Bruz will be making his AHL debut this season and we will have a much better outlook on how they compare to each other but as it stands right now one is not clearly better than the other. The person you responded to did not say Bruz was better but that numbers in junior definitely favor him.

I completely understood what these posters said and i added some nuance to the straight stat comparison. As i clearly said...time will tell so we are in agreement.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak + Pezz
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

A rebuild is over when the team show you the rebuild is over.

 

[viceroy]

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

His name's BOGDAN Konyushkov. I don't want to this to turn into another Tij Ignila situation.

 

[Bond]

His name's BOGDAN Konyushkov. I don't want to this to turn into another Tij Ignila situation.

Hey, give Jarmoe Inigla his proper respect here lol

 

[McJedi]

they wouldn't - and this isn't a deal they're making. If anything, they're looking for more firepower up front and probably trying to dump either Evans or Dvorak if Kaponen keeps playing like he did last night

Can Dvorak PK? Any good at it?

What would you say to a swap of Dvorak for Ross Colton? Hockey trade.

We are not going to give this package for Andersons.

LOL. Calgary isn't going to accept that lousy package from the Habs for Rasmus Andersson.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Can Dvorak PK? Any good at it?

What would you say to a swap of Dvorak for Ross Colton? Hockey trade.


LOL. Calgary isn't going to accept that lousy package from the Habs for Rasmus Andersson.

no thx...that contract won't work on the habs with beck and kapanen coming.
We don't need 3 years of Colton.
Can resign Evan's for less.

Yes he can PK.
you can have him for a pick

 

[nyhabsfan]

I think CGY says no for two reasons:
1. They already have Parekh and Brzustewicz on the right side.
2. They want a blue chip back, not a couple B level prospects.

Massive overpay by Montreal ... no interested!

 

[habsfan44]

No he isn't. A blue chipper prospect is a can't miss prospect. The fact he was in the AHL at all means he's not a blue chipper if we're honest.

Also you guys drafted the piece of trash, you keep your human garbage.

The way you refer to others speaks volumes about you as well .