Proposal: MTL & CGY

[dgibb10]

No he’s not and no blue chip would ever be on the table for a guy turning 28 that will need a new (long term) contract at 30.

I agree. Teams VERY rarely trade blue chips unless they demand out a la Cutter Gauthier or maybe Rutger McGroarty (although I think him and Yager fall short of "blue chip" category)

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

No need to add this player to our roster right now

 

[Yepthatsme]

Mailloux is better then Brzustewicz


you don't know that ,,,, don't speculate

Mailloux Draft +1 and +2 combined:
71 games, 62 points, +22

Brzustewicz Draft +1:
67 games, 92 points, +31

In their pre draft as prospects you may have been right, but Brzustewicz just had a more impressive season than any of Mailloux’s 3 years since his draft, and appears to have built off it with his extremely strong play this pre-season so far.

 

[bert]

I think CGY says no for two reasons:
1. They already have Parekh and Brzustewicz on the right side.
2. They want a blue chip back, not a couple B level prospects.

100 p.

 

[pth2]

mmmm no
Not even that close tbh



Really not sure how many times this needs to be stated.

Low information fans don't remember the trade conditions.
High information fans are done with Slafy.

 

[EK392000]

So the best rookie rman in the AHL last season is not a bluechip prospect.... Interesting!

He wasn’t the best rookie dman. He was on the all rookie team, alongside Brandt Clarke who had virtually the same production in 22 less games.

Believe it or not, I can still think he’s a good prospect without thinking he’s a blue chip.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He wasn’t the best rookie dman. He was on the all rookie team, alongside Brandt Clarke who had virtually the same production in 22 less games.

Believe it or not, I can still think he’s a good prospect without thinking he’s a blue chip.

You can add Olen Zellweger to that list as well, both were quite clearly much better than Mailloux, just with less games played.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Mailloux is a blue chip

Not Blue Chip level but I would say Grade A for sure. He's showing ability to be effective at both ends and not many know that much about him (yet).

Habs are not making this offer. We don't need R Anderson

 

[Habs Halifax]

Haven't we had this discussion before? Trading for Anderson makes no sense for Montreal unless the price is low and Calgary isn't trading Anderson for a minimal return.

Agreed. Some Habs fans needs to let that idea go. It doesn't fit Montreal and our timing.

 

[Lockin17]

Funny how people are 100% sure that CGY will finish top 10 in the draft.

Top 9 forwards are not bad at all.
Top 4 D is pretty good as well.

If they want to finish top 10 in the draft they need to start selling.
If not they might end up between #11 to #15 or around that.

 

[Lockin17]

The plan here is to start CGY rebuild and for the Habs having a better vet then Savard on the right side.

Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Anderson
Wifi-Savard

Could be a solid top 6 for the habs and have a shot at making the playoff.
Anderson still have a good 5 years ahead of him just like Matheson.

That's basically 3 first rd for Anderson.

 

[Figgy44]

The plan here is to start CGY rebuild and for the Habs having a better vet then Savard on the right side.

Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Anderson
Wifi-Savard

Could be a solid top 6 for the habs and have a shot at making the playoff.
Anderson still have a good 5 years ahead of him just like Matheson.

That's basically 3 first rd for Anderson.

I appreciate the generosity, but I'll basically say no thank you.

 

[Lockin17]

No need to add this player to our roster right now

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak + Pezz
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

 

[Habby4Life]

So the best rookie rman in the AHL last season is not a bluechip prospect.... Interesting!

Logan isn’t a blue chip prospect.

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

Rebuild is over, lol, they have holes everywhere. Third & Fourth line aren’t great and 5/6 isn’t stellar

 

[Lockin17]

Logan isn’t a blue chip prospect.


Rebuild is over, lol, they have holes everywhere. Third & Fourth line aren’t great and 5/6 isn’t stellar

Blue chip for me is a player that will play minimum 500 games either top 4 D or Top 6 FW

Logan isn’t a blue chip prospect.


Rebuild is over, lol, they have holes everywhere. Third & Fourth line aren’t great and 5/6 isn’t stellar

You understand that Demidov, Hage , Kapanen, Beck are comming in soon right ?

 

[Habby4Life]

Blue chip for me is a player that will play minimum 500 games either top 4 D or Top 6 FW


You understand that Demidov, Hage , Kapanen, Beck are comming in soon right ?

Logan isn’t a lock for 500 or top 4 D.

Yes, but not all of them are going to pan out. Rebuild is over when this team actually becomes competitive and is entrenched in the playoffs.

This team is still a bottom 10, rebuild is still ongoing.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak + Pezz
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

You are lost.

 

[Lockin17]

Imagine this lineup this year

CC-Suzuki-Laine
Newhook-Kadri-Slaf
Roy-Dach-Anderson

TOP 9 is great

Matheson-Anderson
Hutson-Guhle
Wifi-Savard

Kick ass top 6 D

 

[pth2]

Imagine this lineup this year

CC-Suzuki-Laine
Newhook-Kadri-Slaf
Roy-Dach-Anderson

TOP 9 is great

Matheson-Anderson
Hutson-Guhle
Wifi-Savard

Kick ass top 6 D

Improving the present at the cost of the future isn't a good idea when rebuilding.

 

[Lockin17]

You are lost.

what do you mean , losing Mailloux, Mesar and CGY first makes us lost ?

You get lost mate

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

what do you mean , losing Mailloux, Mesar and CGY first makes us lost ?

You get lost mate

No i'm saying you are lost and your ability to talk about hockey players valuation on the trade forum is incredibly worrisome , I do hope you acquire the hockey knowledge to one day make interesting points/proposals/trades/player evaluations

 

[Habby4Life]

Rebuild is over, let's try to upgrade where we can.

Mailloux is a great player but with Reinbacher, Bodgan, Savard and with Anderson we can spare him.

Then #20 2025 + Mesar are what CGY needs for a rebuild.

I would even try to get Kadri in a bigger deal.

MTL : Mailloux + CGY first + Mesar + Dvorak + Pezz
for
CGY : Anderson + Kadri

If Conroy accepted that he should be fired 10 seconds after trade announced then checked in for rehab. Because any GM accepting that offer would have to be on something.

 

[JustAHabFan]

That's a weak offer from the Habs.

The real offer here is the Florida pick around 27th OA, a B level dime a dozen guy in Mesar and a solid B+/A- guy in Mailloux with some bad noise around him that will always be in the background.

Easy no from the Flames if I'm their GM. I'd be a hard no on Mesar as part of the deal and I'd want the Habs 2025 1st instead. And someone/thing better than Mesar.

Habs 2025 1st (top 5 protected / assume ~13th OA value range) + Mailloux + better prospect than Mesar.

We are not going to give this package for Andersons.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Funny how people are 100% sure that CGY will finish top 10 in the draft.

Top 9 forwards are not bad at all.
Top 4 D is pretty good as well.

If they want to finish top 10 in the draft they need to start selling.
If not they might end up between #11 to #15 or around that.

Nobody is calling it 100%, it's just closer to a 90% thing. Since the Flames traded away Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev they went 7-14. Since then all they have done is trade their starting goaltender who was coming off a fantastic season, and all they have added since then is the depth defenseman Bahl. Mangaipane was basically replaced by Mantha and Kylington was by Bean, it's too early to call either of those upgrades or downgrades but I would lean towards downgrade at the moment.

If we look at all the teams that finished near or around them in the standings, they all made relatively significant upgrades to their rosters since the last trade deadline:
- The Habs added a top 6 forward and are expecting the return of Dach, they also likely have one of their young dmen make the team (my guess is Hutson).
- The Yotes (now Utah HC) added Sergachev and Marino.
- The Sens added a starting goalie and some forward depth. They lost chychrun but Jensen is great defensively which is what they needed the most.
- The Kraken added Stephenson and Montour, they also probably won't be playing with a core player injured all season long again.
- the Devils added a starting goalie (from the Flames) upgraded Marino to Pesce, and Bahl to Dillon. Also Dougie's back.
- The Sabres added forward depth and will have a full season with Byram now. They also got a new coach.
- Philly added Michkov and Minny re-added Spurgeon, but those 2 teams were still a fair bit ahead of Calgary in the standings

Sure you can probably make the argument that Calgary's young guys will take the next step but that same argument can be made about every team I mentioned above, and including teams like Chicago, Anaheim, and Columbus.

The Flames aren't going to go get blown out by the opposition like San Jose did last year. They will make games interesting but fundamentally they lack the star power to win on a consistent basis , and unless Wolf or Vladar catches lightning in a bottle they will probably average over 3 goals against per game and less than 3 for per game.

 

[pth2]

Nobody is calling it 100%, it's just closer to a 90% thing. Since the Flames traded away Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev they went 7-14. Since then all they have done is trade their starting....

Saying the Flames are 90% sure to be picking top 10 seems reasonable. Add a 5% chance Florida falls apart and becomes a lottery team, and it's 85% odds that Montreal gets Florida's pick, which would then be a pick in the 17 to 32 range.