And who was available this year exactly? Totally missing the point. UFAs are too old for montreal's window.
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16 pts out of 38 is every single ounce of his production ?
And being good on the PP is a bad thing ?
If by slightly you mean completely missed the mark... . Then yeah.
Holtz for a 4th line forward. lol Go ahead and double down on how you think you were still right on your valuation.
My valuation of Holtz as a poor man's Toffoli and a bust was spot on eh?
He played 400 minutes with each of them 5v5, making them his most common linemates by far.
In that time he put up 4 goals and 10 points alongside them. or a points/60 of 1.5, good for 280th in the league that year
He produced well on the power play (which he will likely no longer be on thanks to the addition of Patrick Laine).
If Cotter is a 4th line forward what does it say that he produces better than kirby dach?
Kirby Dach: 38pts in 58 games
Paul Cotter: 18pts in 55games
It says that you don't know how to count. Kirby out produced Cotter in total points. You can't just cherry pick which points you like best.
But i am still trying to comprehend how Holtz,a guy you valued at 20th overall netted a 4th line forward. Care to explain how you fell so short? Since you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong?
18 points 5v5 in 800 minutes for Dach in 22-23
18 points 5v5 in 600 minutes for cotter in 22-23
Dach better figure it out 5v5 because his PP spot is GONE.
PLD carried a 8 years deal with him. Laine is 2 and done if it doesn’t work out. PLD also cost 3 premium assets to Blake while Laine was attached with a 2nd round pick. Totally different scenarios.
Are you really comparing Dach to Cotter here? Really?
Advanced stats = the Emperor's new clothes (or magic beans).
Yep he is. Trying to get the ire of Habs fans as always. No point debating it further when it devolves into stupidity like Cotter > Dach. lol
You said it, he produced well on the powerplay but apparently that doesnt count. I just love lil statistics whore cherry picking what they want to suit their agenda.
If Dach wants to be compared to better players he needs to crack 20 points 5v5 in a season
I know it's hard, only been done 1102 different times since Dach entered the league. But one day he will get there I'm sure.
16 points 5v5 in 1360 minutes for Hughes in 23-34
19 points 5v5 in 1228 minutes for Guhle in 23-24
Hughes better figure it out 5v5 because his PP spot is GONE with Hamilton back.
If Hughes wants to be compared to better players he needs to crack 20 points 5v5 in a season. I know it's hard, only been done 1102 different times since Hughes entered the league. But one day he will get there I'm sure.
And i guarantee that if Dach produced more at 5v5 at the detriment of his power play, you would use the pp statistic instead. 100% Guaranteed because you're a cherry picking statistic whore.
"OH look those stats sure as hell doesnt fit my agenda, let me look at those filters.... There we go! I found the correct filter: that player is only 126th in the league at 5v5 during full moons. f***ing pathetic!"
I notice you didn't go to a forward. Why is that. Is it perhaps because the only guy you could find on NJDs roster that didn't surpass 20 points 5v5 last year is Nathan Bastian?
Yeah you guys had such a high end group. of forwards that you finished second to last in the Metropolitan.
It’s ok though, I see that you have no issues calling Guhle a superior player to Hughes which is basically a bottom pairing D and PP specialist at this point which I also agree with.
I still have faith in him. Maybe he’ll become something more eventually.
I value players in each category seperately.
Produced well is a relative term. He didn't exactly lead a high level PP, which generated chances at about the same rate whether you swapped in Monahan, Dach, Newhook, Slafkofsky, etc.
I also don't view him as one of the engines of the PP (Matheson, Caufield, Suzuki).
I do give him credit for being an effective PP weapon tho.
Hughes needs to learn to play defense before anyone can take him seriously. Nemec also struggled mightily but was rushed to the NHL. When you have those guys who were not ready and shoddy on your defense and poor goaltending, you will miss the playoffs. As is what happened to the lowly NJD.
Luke Hughes was in fact 100% a PP merchant last year in terms of his point totals.
And yes, Guhle was a better 5v5 player than Hughes last year. The ridiculously tough matchups he played to put up a 47.4% xGoals share is very impressive.
But in case you were wondering, individual point generation is not nearly as important for dman as it is forwards.
Individual point generation is important when you are a one-dimensional dman like Luke Hughes.
Nemec and Hughes both had better xGoals share than any MTL dman since their cup run btw.
Nemec and Hughes shoddy D were key reasons why the NJD's trash defense cost them them to miss the playoffs last season. Although it wasn't their fault as they were rushed. Hopefully they won't bust like Holtz.
Meanwhile, back to Laine! What a brilliant bit of GMing by Hughes!
"Look at my daughter/son. She/he is the only one with the right step in the whole parade."
Siegenthaler, Smith, and Marino were the ones getting caved in but sure.Nemec and Hughes shoddy D were key reasons why the NJD's trash defense cost them them to miss the playoffs last season. Although it wasn't their fault as they were rushed. Hopefully they won't bust like Holtz.
Meanwhile, back to Laine! What a brilliant bit of GMing!
