Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CBJ] Patrik Laine, '26 2nd for Jordan Harris

[Captain97]

Ahh I see, so money only matters if you're a good team?

If you ignore one of the biggest reasons laine was traded (his massive contract), then sure everything about this deal is fantastic.

Also this deal likely puts MTL into LTIR use, meaning most of Slafkovsky, Hutson, or Guhle's ELC bonuses will carry over to 24-25. So acquiring him now likely adds about 10 mill to your cap next year, when you may be trying to compete

Um the Habs are projected have something like 19,000,000 in capsapce in 2025/26 including Price's LTIR with no major resigning (this accounts for Laine and the Slaf and Guhle raises). When you have a ton of cap space and a very rich owner money it doesn't matter even then.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I think this will work out great for the

 

[Gustave]

Ahh I see, so money only matters if you're a good team?

If you ignore one of the biggest reasons laine was traded (his massive contract), then sure everything about this deal is fantastic.

Also this deal likely puts MTL into LTIR use, meaning most of Slafkovsky, Hutson, or Guhle's ELC bonuses will carry over to 24-25. So acquiring him now likely adds about 10 mill to your cap next year, when you may be trying to compete

No.

Price will start the season on the roster, and be placed on LTIR the second the rosters are « official ». Thus, accruing cap all year long. The Habs don’t need to use summer LTIR and bonuses will be paid correctly, just like last season where we did the same thing.

Also, the Habs have a lot of salary coming off the books next season. Petry and Allen on the salary retention, Armia and Savard on the roster.

There’s no issue with the Habs cap whatsoever, this season or next.

 

[dgibb10]

No.

Price will start the season on the roster, and be placed on LTIR the second the rosters are « official ». Thus, accruing cap all year long. The Habs don’t need to use summer LTIR and bonuses will be paid correctly, just like last season where we did the same thing.

Also, the Habs have a lot of salary coming off the books next season. Petry and Allen on the salary retention, Armia and Savard on the roster.

There’s no issue with the Habs cap whatsoever, this season or next.

If you use LTIR during the season you don't accrue cap space.

per puckpedia, MTLs current cap total is 90 million.

That is based off a 24 man roster with RHP counting.

Assuming they run a full roster, they will be over the cap and using LTIR relief, so they will not accrue any cap space.

If they get their roster, INCLUDING price, under 88 mill, then they will begin to accrue space on whatever amount below 88 mill they are at.

 

[Rob Sense]

If you use LTIR during the season you don't accrue cap space.

per puckpedia, MTLs current cap total is 90 million.

That is based off a 24 man roster with RHP counting.

Assuming they run a full roster, they will be over the cap and using LTIR relief, so they will not accrue any cap space.

If they get their roster, INCLUDING price, under 88 mill, then they will begin to accrue space on whatever amount below 88 mill they are at.

Price's LTIR will only be activated after the start of the season. They are only a million over and at least Harvey-Pinard will start the season on IR and others could be sent down to be compliant.

 

[pth2]

No.

Price will start the season on the roster, and be placed on LTIR the second the rosters are « official ». Thus, accruing cap all year long. The Habs don’t need to use summer LTIR and bonuses will be paid correctly, just like last season where we did the same thing.

Also, the Habs have a lot of salary coming off the books next season. Petry and Allen on the salary retention, Armia and Savard on the roster.

There’s no issue with the Habs cap whatsoever, this season or next.

I think by starting the season without LTIR, bonuses get paid from this season's cap.

 

[Gustave]

If you use LTIR during the season you don't accrue cap space.

per puckpedia, MTLs current cap total is 90 million.

That is based off a 24 man roster with RHP counting.

Assuming they run a full roster, they will be over the cap and using LTIR relief, so they will not accrue any cap space.

If they get their roster, INCLUDING price, under 88 mill, then they will begin to accrue space on whatever amount below 88 mill they are at.

This is getting technical but all you need to do to get under cap is send a couple of players in the AHL on the first day of the offical roster to get to 88.

Then you put Price on LTIR and voila, you have an 80 million (or so) roster on the cap.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Our last gamble worked with Monahan giving us 2 1st round picks if this one doesnt who cares we dont need the cap we’re betting on a former 2nd overall with several 30+ goal seasons everyone knows hes talented if he can stay healthy the trolls in here are trying to hard theres nothing to hate we only gave up Harris who i dont even think was worth a 3rd its a low risk high reward trade Kent did really good here now its on Laine to show he belongs in the NHL if not he might end up in europe in 2 years

 

[Gustave]

I think by starting the season without LTIR, bonuses get paid from this season's cap.

Exactly.

 

[Theodore450]

Fun add for MTL. He’ll score a lot goals. I’m just not sure he’ll help them win. If that makes sense.

Habs are still a bottom 5 team with that defence and lack of real coaching on the backend

 

[dgibb10]

This is getting technical but all you need to do to get under cap is send a couple of players in the AHL on the first day of the offical roster to get to 88.

Then you put Price on LTIR and voila, you have an 80 million (or so) roster on the cap.

And then the second you call them back up, they go back on your cap, your total amount becomes over 88 mill, and you stop accruing cap space.

You seem to not understand how cap space accrual works, or LTIR.

You accrue cap space daily, based on the amount, that you are under 88 million on that day.

Every player on the NHL roster, IR, LTIR, buried (if above the limit), and retained salary counts towards that 88 million.

Now, LTIR allows you to exceed that 88 mill on any given day, (emergency call ups do as well but that's something different). But, if you are using LTIR to be above 88 million, then you do not accrue any cap space throughout the season.

Now, if you are not accruing cap space, at the end of the season, any bonuses earned throughout the season (Hutson, Slaf, Guhle), will carry over to the next season

 

[NitroF]

Just watched Laine’s media availability and his comments in regard of him asking out of Columbus feel like he burned some bridges with his negative attitude while going through a rough patch. He prefers to start over showing a better version of himself over having to convince the same people that he changed. Which is understandable and should lighten the social burden and help him focus on hockey.

Best of luck to him!

 

[Gustave]

And then the second you call them back up, they go back on your cap, your total amount becomes over 88 mill, and you stop accruing cap space.

You seem to not understand how cap space accrual works, or LTIR.

You accrue cap space daily, based on the amount, that you are under 88 million on that day.

Every player on the NHL roster, IR, LTIR, buried (if above the limit), and retained salary counts towards that 88 million.

Now, LTIR allows you to exceed that 88 mill on any given day, (emergency call ups do as well but that's something different). But, if you are using LTIR to be above 88 million, then you do not accrue any cap space throughout the season.

Now, if you are not accruing cap space, at the end of the season, any bonuses earned throughout the season (Hutson, Slaf, Guhle), will carry over to the next season

Ok, look. If you want to say that the Habs are in some sort of cap problem… it‘s just not there.

For reference, the Habs did exactly what I described last season, and did in fact pay the bonuses on last season‘s space created by having Price on LTIR after the start of the official roster day limit. It is what it is.

 

[Mestaruus]

Laine most likely also wants to play in that upcoming 4 nation best on best tournament. Considering how good forwards Finland has nowadays, Laine has to prove something or he won't be selected to that, so that's some extra motivation for him. I guess much of it is about how much he scores on Montreal's PP in the upcoming season. Finland could give him sheltered minutes and mostly just utilize him on the PP, but of course it wouldn't be good to keep him completely cold. So my point was that, this is of course a good thing for Montreal that Laine has to put it on. I think that if he doesn't get injured, he'll have a pretty nice bounce back season.

 

[dgibb10]

Ok, look. If you want to say that the Habs are in some sort of cap problem… it‘s just not there.

For reference, the Habs did exactly what I described last season, and did in fact pay the bonuses on last season‘s space created by having Price on LTIR after the start of the official roster day limit. It is what it is.

MTL is literally eating 1 million dollars in bonus overages this year because they in fact were not able to accrue cap space last year

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

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[LOFIN]

MTL is literally eating 1 million dollars in bonus overages this year because they in fact were not able to accrue cap space last year

This really is a pointless conversation. If you are trying to prove that this deal is not without consequences for the Montreal cap structure, you would be correct. What also is a fact is this: they don't f***ing care for this year and the next. They are not competing.

 

[Andy]

MTL is literally eating 1 million dollars in bonus overages this year because they in fact were not able to accrue cap space last year

Oh no! No one cares. And the habs will be fine. Nothing bad will happen to them with the cap and people will conveniently forget about any arguments they made about it

 

[dgibb10]

Price's LTIR will only be activated after the start of the season. They are only a million over and at least Harvey-Pinard will start the season on IR and others could be sent down to be compliant.

They'll be compliant for sure. They just won't be under the LTIR limit and so won't accrue cap space.

They might accrue some at the deadline if they offload salary but usually those transactions are approximately salary in salary out. And then of course injuries throughout the season means replacement players will dip them into LTIR there as well.

This really is a pointless conversation. If you are trying to prove that this deal is not without consequences for the Montreal cap structure, you would be correct. What also is a fact is this: they don't f***ing care for this year and the next. They are not competing.

If you have no intentions of competing in the next 2 years, then Laine isn't providing value since his contract expires before you start competing.

Oh no! No one cares. And the habs will be fine. Nothing bad will happen to them with the cap and people will conveniently forget about any arguments they made about it

If you keep having rollover it will eventually affect your spending power when you ARE trying to contend, either in 25-26 or 26-27.

 

[LOFIN]

If you have no intentions of competing in the next 2 years, then Laine isn't providing value since his contract expires before you start competing.

There is value in simply getting better as a team, a stepping stone for the young core in the path to become a contender. And who knows, maybe they can re-sign Laine after his deal expires?

 

[pth2]

Evil evil man

There is a midway position, recognizing Hughes has done well while realizing it's easier to look good selling the previous GMs assets than putting the finishing touches on a team or making moves everyone can tell you have to make.

There is value in simply getting better as a team, a stepping stone for the young core in the path to become a contender. And who knows, maybe they can re-sign Laine after his deal expires?

Exactly: it's better to have internal competition and have good players playing with other high level players.

 

[dgibb10]

There is value in simply getting better as a team, a stepping stone for the young core in the path to become a contender. And who knows, maybe they can re-sign Laine after his deal expires?

Resigning Laine after the deal wouldn't add value to the deal, since it would be at a market value rate.

Unless you're expecting him to take a discount.

But eating 17 mill now in hopes Laine will maybe take a discount (he has no obligation to stay or take a discount) in 2 years seems questionable to me.

MTL took on an overpaid player for some assets and because he fills a hole. They paid a ton of money to do it. This is not some genius move

 

[CBJx614]

Forget about pace if it annoys you that much. I am not sure CBJ were crushingly disappointed when Laine scored 108 points in 111 games in 2021-22/2022-23 including 48 goals. Injuries are part of hockey and in those years he had covid, then an ankle and biceps injury. No knees, no back, no concussion recurrence. He was producing at a PPG.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but



He missed 9 games due to a concussion last season. Then he had his clavicle injury a few games after he returned and then entered the program.

 

[Andy]

They'll be compliant for sure. They just won't be under the LTIR limit and so won't accrue cap space.

They might accrue some at the deadline if they offload salary but usually those transactions are approximately salary in salary out. And then of course injuries throughout the season means replacement players will dip them into LTIR there as well.


If you have no intentions of competing in the next 2 years, then Laine isn't providing value since his contract expires before you start competing.


If you keep having rollover it will eventually affect your spending power when you ARE trying to contend, either in 25-26 or 26-27.

Let’s worry about rollover in 25-26 when the habs get there. They have a boatload of cap space next season with no one major to sign. If they are strapped for cap this season, they have players like Savard and Dvorak who can be moved and likely will be moved at the deadline.

You are all in on this cap thing because you desperately want to find a bad angle on this trade. The cap doesn’t not affect the Habs. If it did they wouldn’t have made the trade. And I am sure the mgmt team in the room considered all the pitfalls you’ve described and deemed it an acceptable risk.

The Habs are not hamstrung by the cap

 

[pth2]

Resigning Laine after the deal wouldn't add value to the deal, since it would be at a market value rate.

So, having a player signed to a market value contract is worthless?
That's what you're saying. I suspect 32 NHL GMs would disagree.