Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CBJ] Patrik Laine, '26 2nd for Jordan Harris

[T REX]

how would you define “working out” in terms of Laine in MTL? What #’s would he have to hit for it to be considered successful?

for 8.7 mill? 35 goals and 35 assists at min and not be a headcase

 

[TheDoldrums]

The habs own GM said they told Laine explicitly that they dont care if he scores 20 or 40. What's important is that he's committed to the team culture and helping propel a young team forward in its development.

Oh so what's important is that Laine is committed to the team culture, something he's never been throughout his NHL career. Got it.

 

[Andy]

for 8.7 mill? 35 goals and 35 assists at min and not be a headcase

Cap space isn't a problem for the habs for the duration of Laine's contract (2 years). They have a ton of cap coming of the books next year, and they always have the ability to LTIR Price.

I understand cap strapped teams caring about the cap hit, but it literally does not move the needs for the habs. That's what makes the risk so low and why it's such an excellent trade.

Oh so what's important is that Laine is committed to the team culture, something he's never been throughout his NHL career. Got it.

At least Laine recognized he needed help and went to seek it to try and improve. If only some posters on this forum could learn a similar lesson. Alas, they'd rather continue getting inebriated on their copium.

The habs finished bottom the last two seasons. If Laine doesn't work out. the habs stay where they have been and they walk away with a second round pick for a D-man they probably couldn't retain due to their D depth.

 

[dgibb10]

Cap space isn't a problem for the habs for the duration of Laine's contract (2 years). They have a ton of cap coming of the books next year, and they always have the ability to LTIR Price.

I understand cap strapped teams caring about the cap hit, but it literally does not move the needs for the habs. That's what makes the risk so low and why it's such an excellent trade.


At least Laine recognized he needed help and went to seek it to try and improve. If only some posters on this forum could learn a similar lesson. Alas, they'd rather continue getting inebriated on their copium.

The habs finished bottom the last two seasons. If Laine doesn't work out. the habs stay where they have been and they walk away with a second round pick for a D-man they probably couldn't retain due to their D depth.

It is okay to acknowledge that most bottom feeder teams do not have the revenue to eat 17 million dollars for a 2nd round pick.

 

[calder candidate]

4 teams had 8.7 mill in space

Utah, Anaheim, SJS, and Calgary.

A lot of low revenue teams trying to minimize payroll, and then Utah. Utah presumably decided to pass.

Maybe if chicago passed on some free agents but I really like what they did in terms of building a legit veteran dcore to shelter Vlasic and Korchinski, and the adds of Teuvo and Bertuzzi without giving too much term.

Laine might also have had those 4 team on is 10 team no trade liste... CBJ might not have had any many options...

 

[T REX]

The habs own GM said they told Laine explicitly that they dont care if he scores 20 or 40. What's important is that he's committed to the team culture and helping propel a young team forward in its development.

In 6 of 8 seasons, Laine has paced at 30 or more goals. The habs don't need him to be the star forward or carry the team. They need him to help round out scoring in the top 6. He just needs to continue to play at more or less his career averages, which he literally has done other than last season and the year he was traded to Columbus. Hell, even last year, he scored 9 goals in 18 games. So it's actually one season where he didn't score at at least a 30 goal pace.

When Laine plays and is healthy, he scores goals. That's all the habs need. If he's not healthy enough to play, there is no loss since there isn't much else to use that cap space towards, and the habs still got a potentially high second round pick to absorb his salary.

The hockey world is pretty unanimous that this is a no brainer deal for the habs. Just move on.

Pace is a fake number. You either get to 30 goals or you do not get to 30 goals. Any player can get injured or go cold.

The second I see the word "pace" I immediately know it being used to prop somebody up that couldn't actually get to the number they are talking about. He paced for this amazing fake number(but never really reached it).

Pace...smdh

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Guy who hasn't hit 70 games played in any of the last FIVE seasons

Oh noes! Laine didn't hit 70 games during the 20-21 season when every NHL team played 56 games? Well, I'll be damned!

And he "only" played 68 of the 71 games during another shortened season in 19-20, missing the crucial, career-defining 70 mark by 2?

Well that is it! You have convinced me with your stat cherry-picking that this is the worse move ever!

I'm completely devastated by this trade now. It sure must be great that your team avoided this mess. We're stuck here in Montreal with Laine and a second rounder. Gotta go now. I've gotta paint my "Missing you forever, Jordan Harris!" banner. Also thinking about starting a "trade back Laine for Harris" petition, maybe combined with a Molson beer boycott! We could use your wonderful arguments to convince the team!

 

[dgibb10]

Laine might also have had those 4 team on is 10 team no trade liste... CBJ might not have had any many options...

Also a factor, true.

I can't believe people are throwing out "hey if it doesn't work out it's only 17 million dollars wasted, no biggie"

 

[CBJx614]

Oh noes! Laine didn't hit 70 games during the 20-21 season when every NHL team played 56 games? Well, I'll be damned!

And he "only" played 68 of the 71 games during another shortened season in 19-20, missing the crucial, career-defining 70 mark by 2?

Well that is it! You have convinced me with your stat cherry-picking that this is the worse move ever!

I'm completely devastated by this trade now. It sure must be great that your team avoided this mess. We're stuck here in Montreal with Laine and a second rounder. Gotta go now. I've gotta paint my "Missing you forever, Jordan Harris!" banner. Also thinking about starting a "trade back Laine for Harris" petition, maybe combined with a Molson beer boycott! We could use your wonderful arguments to convince the team!

70?

He hasn't played more than 60 games in a season since 2019/20

He's good for about 60-70% of the season.

Not the end of the world, but when those 50-60 games are broken up into a couple different sections where he's coming back from an injury it can makes things difficult to gain consistency and makes for a frustrating season on the player.

 

[pth2]

The Habs got a big hole in top 6 and he just fill the gap with Laine so I am not sure what you are talking about. On top he had done wonder managing capspace and turn available capspace to asset.

He essentially got Laine for free because he has the cap space and a rich owner. He did well in negotiating contracts and not spending on overpaid middling UFAs, but let's not overestimate what he's done, either.

 

[sansabri]

Also a factor, true.

I can't believe people are throwing out "hey if it doesn't work out it's only 17 million dollars wasted, no biggie"

Molson can afford it

 

[dgibb10]

Molson can afford it

Yes, and for the other bottom feeding teams with revenue 100 mill less than MTL, it is not nearly as easy.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yes, and for the other bottom feeding teams with revenue 100 mill less than MTL, it is not nearly as easy.

Yes we are the king and the rest of the league peasants this is what we've been trying to say

 

[Eco]

Laine getting you to the finals is certainly a take.

Ive posted in this thread numerous times that this is a no brianer deal for the habs, but Patty is the opposite what you want in a playoff performer.

But he's going to a team that isn't trying to build around him. Chances are he'll be on our second line anyways, but it's a step in the right direction.

I've mentioned before, but this is so low risk, and I think there is tremendous upside to this, especially since Laine has so many doubters and so much to prove. He'll be surrounded by the most passionate fanbase in hockey, and can just relax and play hockey.

 

[dgibb10]

Yes we are the king and the rest of the league peasants this is what we've been trying to say

All the other consistent top revenue teams are in the playoffs.

 

[Eco]

He essentially got Laine for free because he has the cap space and a rich owner. He did well in negotiating contracts and not spending on overpaid middling UFAs, but let's not overestimate what he's done, either.

 

[pth2]

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He negotiated good contracts (which I already agreed with) and drafted players who may or may not work out, just like every other GM out there.

 

[Andy]

It is okay to acknowledge that most bottom feeder teams do not have the revenue to eat 17 million dollars for a 2nd round pick.

I know this is meant as some sort of insult, but it doesnt really work when Habs fans know their team is in a rebuild and starved for offensive talent. It's really no secret. They used their cap space to take a gamble on a player who scores when physically and mentally healthy.

No one is pretending that it's anymore than that. Habs fans are okay with the gamble, the team is, and most of the hockey world that aren't trolls are as well. Move on.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

But he's going to a team that isn't trying to build around him. Chances are he'll be on our second line anyways, but it's a step in the right direction.

I've mentioned before, but this is so low risk, and I think there is tremendous upside to this, especially since Laine has so many doubters and so much to prove. He'll be surrounded by the most passionate fanbase in hockey, and can just relax and play hockey.

I would argue both Winnipeg and Columbus both didnt make him the guy to build around. Also unless a lot has changed in the last few years that last line is pretty funny. Unless you're missing the /s

 

[Andy]

Pace is a fake number.

Pace is not a fake number, it's an indication of how many goals you can expect Laine to score in a given amount of games. At minimum, Laine will score at a rate of .365 goals per game regardless of the games he plays - and this is conservative because his career pace is .425 goals per game.

So, yes, he technically didn't score 30 goals - but if he plays 82 games you can expect him to hover around that number based on his goal scoring rate in 7 of his 8 seasons.

Also a factor, true.

I can't believe people are throwing out "hey if it doesn't work out it's only 17 million dollars wasted, no biggie"

It's not my money. If the owner doesn't care, why should we? Salary gets wasted every year on a ton of players. The habs have the space to take this gamble.

 

[CHaracter79]

Something he's done 3 times - five, six, and seven years ago.

he was on pace for 38-35-27 goals the last 3 seasons . its health that's the issue. hopefully his involvement with the player assistance program helped. if he stays healthy no reason he doesnt get 30-40 goals

 

[Andy]

70?

He hasn't played more than 60 games in a season since 2019/20

He's good for about 60-70% of the season.

Not the end of the world, but when those 50-60 games are broken up into a couple different sections where he's coming back from an injury it can makes things difficult to gain consistency and makes for a frustrating season on the player.

Habs don't need him to carry the team. They need him to score when he is playing. Laine scoring 20-25 goals in 55 games > having Armia, Gallagher, or Anderson in the top 6 in every possible scenario.

I would argue both Winnipeg and Columbus both didnt make him the guy to build around. Also unless a lot has changed in the last few years that last line is pretty funny. Unless you're missing the /s

The habs aren't building around him. He is scoring depth for the top 6.

 

[PavelBrendl]

Pace is a fake number. You either get to 30 goals or you do not get to 30 goals. Any player can get injured or go cold.

The 2nd I see the word "pace" I immediately know it being used to prop somebody up that couldn't actually get to the number they are talking about. He paced for this amazing fake number(but never really reached it).

Pace...smdh

Must be quite something to go through life blind to nuance or context.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Sums it up:

 

[dgibb10]

Sums it up:

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Highlights older than the Golden Knights lmao