MrB1P's top 50 affiliated prospects. Edition 2019-2020.

[bobbythebrain]

No Bouchard in top 50 is nothing but bias.

So far hes dominated the OHL, offensively dominated the AHL playoffs and looked better than most rookie dmen in their first 8 NHL games.

Cringeworthy not to have him even ranked

 

[Mrb1p]

No Bouchard in top 50 is nothing but bias.

So far hes dominated the OHL, offensively dominated the AHL playoffs and looked better than most rookie dmen in their first 8 NHL games.

Cringeworthy not to have him even ranked

What bias? Who has more bias between you and I, when it comes to Bouchard?

 

[bobbythebrain]

What bias? Who has more bias between you and I, when it comes to Bouchard?

Wasn't it you calling this guy a bust around draft time? Now, a year later when he's played in the AHL and NHL you still have a boatload of players who haven't proven a thing in other leagues ahead of him.

Like I said, he already looked great in the AHL and good in the NHL. He's developing perfectly for his draft position...and it ain't outta the top 50

 

[Mrb1p]

Wasn't it you calling this guy a bust around draft time? Now, a year later when he's played in the AHL and NHL you still have a boatload of players who haven't proven a thing in other leagues ahead of him.

Like I said, he already looked great in the AHL and good in the NHL. He's developing perfectly for his draft position...and it ain't outta the top 50

Hes one of the oldest of his age group, he hasnt shown any progression and I never liked his game, you want me to have him jump 20 spots?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Hes one of the oldest of his age group, he hasnt shown any progression and I never liked his game, you want me to have him jump 20 spots?

Hasn’t shown progression ROFL.

Also, saying never liked his game is showing that bias.

It’s bat shit insane to not have Bouchard in the top fifty.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Hes one of the oldest of his age group, he hasnt shown any progression and I never liked his game, you want me to have him jump 20 spots?

Stepping into the AHL(a whole other and older league) in the playoffs and leading all dmen in scoring is the definition of "progression"

But you have no bias.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hasn’t shown progression ROFL.

Also, saying never liked his game is showing that bias.

It’s bat **** insane to not have Bouchard in the top fifty.

He hasnt progressed in what I think he should. His slapper and his vision in the Ozone is always going to be there, but so is his empty look in the Dzone.

 

[Mrb1p]

Stepping into the AHL(a whole other and older league) in the playoffs and leading all dmen in scoring is the definition of "progression"

But you have no bias.

I never doubted his offensive game, not once. He has all the tools to be a productive pro, but so does Jeff Petry and I want that f***er off my team ASAP.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I never doubted his offensive game, not once. He has all the tools to be a productive pro, but so does Jeff Petry and I want that ****er off my team ASAP.

Even if he doesn't develop into a Norris type dman, is production irrelevant or something?

You have a ton of players ahead of him who may make the NHL and never produce top 4, or 6 production

Guys like Krug, Faulk and Barrie, who have been racking up major points are/ were highly criticized in their own zone are still WAY more developed than probably half those players you listed will ever be

If you think his offense will translate into the NHL, having him lower than 50 is just plain ridiculous. He's already shown his offense can translate to the next level...and he did that dominantly I may add

 

[Legend123]

I never doubted his offensive game, not once. He has all the tools to be a productive pro, but so does Jeff Petry and I want that ****er off my team ASAP.

No offense but that's a real stupid comment regarding both players, more so for Petry for now.

 

[Mrb1p]

No offense but that's a real stupid comment regarding both players, more so for Petry for now.

I hate Petry with all my guts. Him, Danault and Byron just dont have their place on my team. Same way Desharnais was useless even when he produced 60 points.

 

[Mrb1p]

Even if he doesn't develop into a Norris type dman, is production irrelevant or something?

You have a ton of players ahead of him who may make the NHL and never produce top 4, or 6 production

Guys like Krug, Faulk and Barrie, who have been racking up major points are/ were highly criticized in their own zone are still WAY more developed than probably half those players you listed will ever be

If you think his offense will translate into the NHL, having him lower than 50 is just plain ridiculous. He's already shown his offense can translate to the next level...and he did that dominantly I may add

I mean, Franson, Gardiner, etc all panned offensively too, doesnt make them valuable players.

 

[Daximus]

I have season tickets to the Warriors. Watched every single home game live and watched every away game online. Brook is great but there wasn't much separation between him and Woo this year. Brook was better offensively and Woo was miles better defensively. Brook was out on the ice when we needed a goal, Woo was out there to defend the lead. You'd find a pretty good mix among Warriors fans who think Woo is better than Brook and Brook better than Woo. But what you will not find is a unanimous opinion that Brook is better than Woo. To see him top 15 is wacky to me. If you are a Canadiens fan I seriously urge you to temper your expectations with him if you think he has that kind of potential because you are going to be seriously disappointed. Don't get me wrong Brook is a damn good hockey player but he is not going to be a 1D in the NHL and I feel pretty confident saying that. He has solid 3-4 potential though which is good but not top 15 drafted prospects in the world good.

 

[Mrb1p]

I have season tickets to the Warriors. Watched every single home game live and watched every away game online. Brook is great but there wasn't much separation between him and Woo this year. Brook was better offensively and Woo was miles better defensively. Brook was out on the ice when we needed a goal, Woo was out there to defend the lead. You'd find a pretty good mix among Warriors fans who think Woo is better than Brook and Brook better than Woo. But what you will not find is a unanimous opinion that Brook is better than Woo. To see him top 15 is wacky to me. If you are a Canadiens fan I seriously urge you to temper your expectations with him if you think he has that kind of potential because you are going to be seriously disappointed. Don't get me wrong Brook is a damn good hockey player but he is not going to be a 1D in the NHL and I feel pretty confident saying that. He has solid 3-4 potential though which is good but not top 15 drafted prospects in the world good.

I disagree on Brook not having that potential, really, he has every single tool a number one defenseman needs, and he has it in spades. I also disagree on Woo, yes, Woo was used as the defensive specialist on the Warriors but that doesn't mean he was better than Brook. Don't forget that Brook was also jerked around left and right playing every damn position he could've imagined.

To me there's really no comparison between the two, Woo has a #4 skillset, Brook has a top 2 skillset.

 

[Favin]

I have season tickets to the Warriors. Watched every single home game live and watched every away game online. Brook is great but there wasn't much separation between him and Woo this year. Brook was better offensively and Woo was miles better defensively. Brook was out on the ice when we needed a goal, Woo was out there to defend the lead. You'd find a pretty good mix among Warriors fans who think Woo is better than Brook and Brook better than Woo. But what you will not find is a unanimous opinion that Brook is better than Woo. To see him top 15 is wacky to me. If you are a Canadiens fan I seriously urge you to temper your expectations with him if you think he has that kind of potential because you are going to be seriously disappointed. Don't get me wrong Brook is a damn good hockey player but he is not going to be a 1D in the NHL and I feel pretty confident saying that. He has solid 3-4 potential though which is good but not top 15 drafted prospects in the world good.

Not to get off-topic, but what's your take on Daemon Hunt?
(I am always intrigued when a guys name sounds like a video game)

(also, Brook > Woo for me)

 

[Daximus]

I disagree on Brook not having that potential, really, he has every single tool a number one defenseman needs, and he has it in spades. I also disagree on Woo, yes, Woo was used as the defensive specialist on the Warriors but that doesn't mean he was better than Brook. Don't forget that Brook was also jerked around left and right playing every damn position he could've imagined.

To me there's really no comparison between the two, Woo has a #4 skillset, Brook has a top 2 skillset.

He literally played one game at wing. The very last game of the season...

I disagree completely and you'll find out when he starts playing for your team regularly. His IQ is all over the place he lacks consistency in all areas of the game. He can go from scoring the game tying goal with a minute left all on his own to absolutely blowing his coverage and letting a guy just waltz in on the goalie to lose the game. You'll see, trust me. Probably the most frustrating defencemen we've had in years with how much ebb and flow he has in not only his game to game performance but shift to shift.

 

[Daximus]

Not to get off-topic, but what's your take on Daemon Hunt?
(I am always intrigued when a guys name sounds like a video game)

(also, Brook > Woo for me)

Daemon has a solid mix of tools but with Brook graduating and Woo traded to Calgary he will be thrust into a role I'm not sure he is ready for. With that said he is a responsible defencemen who doesn't take many risks. Smart plays all over but he will be expected to carry a big load on the back end with a team that has lost a lot of talent. A team that has become used to having defencemen chip in a lot more than I think Hunt is capable of at this point.

 

[Mrb1p]

He literally played one game at wing. The very last game of the season...

I disagree completely and you'll find out when he starts playing for your team regularly. His IQ is all over the place he lacks consistency in all areas of the game. He can go from scoring the game tying goal with a minute left all on his own to absolutely blowing his coverage and letting a guy just waltz in on the goalie to lose the game. You'll see, trust me. Probably the most frustrating defencemen we've had in years with how much ebb and flow he has in not only his game to game performance but shift to shift.

I've seen him plenty of times, he's been with the Habs for 3 years now, he's not some secret prospect. I wouldn't have ranked him there without extensive research. There's clearly been some mistakes that Ive seen, but there's nothing that isn't coachable in there. Don't underestimate the effect of big nose Tim on those kids. A lot of it comes from not being a safe D, too, and Ive lived with Subban for almost a decade, I recognize what is bad IQ and what is just getting beaten honestly, Brook is a lot more of the 2nd than the first.

 

[Daximus]

I've seen him plenty of times, he's been with the Habs for 3 years now, he's not some secret prospect. I wouldn't have ranked him there without extensive research. There's clearly been some mistakes that Ive seen, but there's nothing that isn't coachable in there. Don't underestimate the effect of big nose Tim on those kids. A lot of it comes from not being a safe D, too, and Ive lived with Subban for almost a decade, I recognize what is bad IQ and what is just getting beaten honestly, Brook is a lot more of the 2nd than the first.

He's got the potential to be a Subban light for sure. Probably a very accurate way to describe his play without the attitude and swagger and his shot isn't even close to Subbans. Though he does have a solid wrister. He'll be a frustrating player one many nights and a hero on others. If he hits his potential it is nowhere near Subban I'm afraid. But you can take it from the guy who watched him every night for the last 4 years or the guy who has only been following him since his favourite team drafted him. Your call.

 

[Mrb1p]

He's got the potential to be a Subban light for sure. Probably a very accurate way to describe his play without the attitude and swagger and his shot isn't even close to Subbans. Though he does have a solid wrister. He'll be a frustrating player one many nights and a hero on others. If he hits his potential it is nowhere near Subban I'm afraid. But you can take it from the guy who watched him every night for the last 4 years or the guy who has only been following him since his favourite team drafted him. Your call.

Jeez, what an appeal to autorithy. You watching him every night doesnt make you a good talent evaluator, case in point, people think Woo is better than Brook when his skillset is nowhere near Brook. This attitude is pretty annoying. If you have something else to say, go ahead, but if youre going to regurgitate the "I watch him more than you." Sentence, just dont bother.

 

[Daximus]

Jeez, what an appeal to autorithy. You watching him every night doesnt make you a good talent evaluator, case in point, people think Woo is better than Brook when his skillset is nowhere near Brook. This attitude is pretty annoying. If you have something else to say, go ahead, but if youre going to regurgitate the "I watch him more than you." Sentence, just dont bother.

Woo had 9 less points in 6 more games after suffering a concussion that took him quite a few games to recover from once coming back. Brook got like twice the PP time too. Woo has a better slapper, Brook the better wrister, Brook skates better with the puck, Woo's outlet passes are better. Woo is miles better defensively, more physical and makes less risky plays.

Woo is already on a much better trajectory than Brook was at the same age. Remember Woo is a year younger and absolutely was the better player at 18 than Brook was at 18. Like it's not even close. The fact that there are Warriors fans that think Woo is already better while being a year younger speaks volumes to Brooks overall play. He put up points for sure but there is a lot more to hockey than just putting up points and Woo did it better at the same age while also being a more well rounded player in every facet.

The only thing that is annoying is people overrating their favourite teams players, in this case massively. But you'll find out soon enough.

 

[newfy]

I don't ignore Veleno, he was a late first round pick in 2018 and didn't show anything special in his regular season and POs, or internationally since being drafted. I don't think he's better than anyone and I don't like his upside. He's a really good skater and high speed puck handler, but what does he do with all that ? Paints himself in a corner more often than not and since he has a muffin shot, he'll be ineffective there. I don't see a top 6 player in him. Do you?

It wouldnt be a Mrb1p thread without some hot takes but this is almost down right trolling/baiting right here. Veleno didnt show anything special this past season? He had his offensive IQ questioned in his draft year as the reason he dropped then turned around and led his entire league in points per game. His shot was questioned especially when talking abut his offensive upside so he worked on it on the off season and went from a 0.34 goals per game in his draft year to a 0.71 goals per game this past season... which led his entire league in goals per game if I'm not mistaken

I mean you can be one of those posters to pick a hill and die on it but hes only played one season since he was drafted and improved massively in areas where he was questioned before. After the season he just had its pretty ridiculous to not have him in the top 50 somewhere. Its even more ridiculous to say he didnt show anything special this year. If thats the case than no one showed anything special really this season because Veleno had one of the best seasons in the entire CHL last year.

 

[Mrb1p]

It wouldnt be a Mrb1p thread without some hot takes but this is almost down right trolling/baiting right here. Veleno didnt show anything special this past season? He had his offensive IQ questioned in his draft year as the reason he dropped then turned around and led his entire league in points per game. His shot was questioned especially when talking abut his offensive upside so he worked on it on the off season and went from a 0.34 goals per game in his draft year to a 0.71 goals per game this past season... which led his entire league in goals per game if I'm not mistaken

I mean you can be one of those posters to pick a hill and die on it but hes only played one season since he was drafted and improved massively in areas where he was questioned before. After the season he just had its pretty ridiculous to not have him in the top 50 somewhere. Its even more ridiculous to say he didnt show anything special this year. If thats the case than no one showed anything special really this season because Veleno had one of the best seasons in the entire CHL last year.

Yeah, if all you care about is stats, hes really really special, I agree.

To clarify, he didnt progress on his on-ice performance, his shot is still not NHL quality, his IQ is okay, I dont think I ever said it wasnt good, but at the same time, its not a strength. Hes a sound player, hes coachable and hes fast and a great puckhandler, thats where it stops IMO. Im expecting him to have a similar impact to Lars Eller when he was with the Habs.


Furthermore, I think you Detroit fan put way, way too much stock in his numbers. Hes on the most stacked offensive team in the league, hes in his fourth junior year and his skillset is perfect for junior. I was expecting exactly those league leading numbers. Dont forget that Jonathan Drouin had league-shattering numbers at 2.00 ppg and look at him now, same flaws I raised in 2013, hes still not a good offensive player.

 

[Scorcho]

happy with the love for ty smith over dobson, hughes and bouchard

 

[Mrb1p]

happy with the love for ty smith over dobson, hughes and bouchard

Well, at least SOMEONE is happy