Move Players with term, recoup picks

[RHR37]

Hall had 5 even strength goals against FLA - the rest of the entire team had 9.

The team was a combined -28. He finished +4.

I'd be wary of dealing him. If anything, the coaching staff needs to figure out how to use him more.

This was Montys biggest failure in that series and IMO throughout the year. It's like he forgot about how good Hall is.

 

[TSBruins13]

21 skaters had between 7 and 14 fights in the NHL this season.

Not a single one of them is playing in the 2nd round of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Most didn't even make the playoffs.

TB had 3 of the Top 7, and they are golfing. 32 fights between Perry, Jeannot, and Maroon. And still couldn't get past the Leafs who people here claim are too soft and skilled on a daily basis.

Of the 53 players who had 4 fights or more, ONLY SIX remain standing in the playoffs. Including Givano Smith who can't even get into Florida's line-up.

Seems like employing Enforcer-types doesn't have much correlation to playoff success.

Being an enforcer doesn't neccessarily mean you need to drop the gloves a ton. Mere presence on the ice, conversations, and scrums can surely deter other teams from taking liberties. Who on this years team struck any amount of fear into an opponent? Frederic lol? Hathaway lol? Forbort lol?

Not one.

 

[wintersej]

21 skaters had between 7 and 14 fights in the NHL this season.

Not a single one of them is playing in the 2nd round of the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Most didn't even make the playoffs.

TB had 3 of the Top 7, and they are golfing. 32 fights between Perry, Jeannot, and Maroon. And still couldn't get past the Leafs who people here claim are too soft and skilled on a daily basis.

Of the 53 players who had 4 fights or more, ONLY SIX remain standing in the playoffs. Including Givano Smith who can't even get into Florida's line-up.

Seems like employing Enforcer-types doesn't have much correlation to playoff success.

Yeah they could use some more guys that leave bruises while actually playing hockey, not face smashers who can't play.

 

[NDiesel]

So using a combination of what I hope to see and based on what was said in the presser about the team moving forward:

Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak

Basically the future 1st line of this team, all around the same age and signed for 4+ years.

Marchand-Bergeron-Debrusk

I think Bergeron returns for one more season and we roll it back with our 1st line from this year.

Hall-Coyle-Merkulov

They want to integrate some more youth next year so we start on the 3rd line here. Potentially Hall is traded this offseason to keep Bertuzzi

Beecher/Greer-Frederic-Lauko

Speed, size, and youth...enough said.

Lindholm-McAvoy
Lohrei/Zboril-Carlo
Zboril/Lohrei-Schenn/Gudas/Mayfield/other big RHD

We'll see if Lohrei is ready, but I think throwing him out there and let him figure it out with a stay at home D like Carlo will benefit him a lot.

Swayman
Bussi/Vet

Solely for value and cap space I would move Ullmark, but would be okay keeping him.

Moved out: Gryz, Ullmark, Forbort, Reilly
Retired/not signed: Krejci, Foligno, Nosek, Orlov, Hathaway, Clifton

Now will the cap work in the above roster and will we be able to get rid of guys like Forbort and Reilly? Not 100% sure, but I think the above roster gives them a good mix of youth being integrated with vets to help their development.

I would look to add a bit of a "banger" as the 13th forward. Then assess where the team is at closer to the deadline and decide if we need any trades.

Possibly a team that can make the playoffs as a wild card and give the youth some experience, but likely taking a step back overall.

 

[UncleRico]

Being an enforcer doesn't neccessarily mean you need to drop the gloves a ton. Mere presence on the ice, conversations, and scrums can surely deter other teams from taking liberties. Who on this years team struck any amount of fear into an opponent? Frederic lol? Hathaway lol? Forbort lol?

Not one.

It was actually quite the opposite. The three of those guys sat with their tail tucked between their legs while Gudas was asserting his dominance over smaller bruins players. The only time they did anything was when they were getting so embarrassed down 6-2 they started a bunch of fights because their feeling were hurt. Nothing productive.

If all three are gone next year, they won’t be missed.

 

[BruinDust]

Being an enforcer doesn't neccessarily mean you need to drop the gloves a ton. Mere presence on the ice, conversations, and scrums can surely deter other teams from taking liberties. Who on this years team struck any amount of fear into an opponent? Frederic lol? Hathaway lol? Forbort lol?

Not one.

So do all those players who like to fight but never even made the playoffs have that pressence you speak of?

For the record among that 21 players with 7+ fight and not in the 2nd round, includes Frederic and Greer.

Look, we can go all day about why the Bruins failed in the playoffs this year. Bruins and Panthers engaged in plenty of scrums and the Bruins had lots of push-back during those scrums. Unfortunately push-back actually during on-ice play was lacking. There are plenty of reasons the Bruins are golfing now. Lack of enforcer-types clearly isn't one of them when I see 8 remaining teams left and practically none of these players left playing.

Yeah they could use some more guys that leave bruises while actually playing hockey, not face smashers who can't play.

I think they just need more guys who can actually skate well and play at a faster pace up front.

They need to get more stouter on the back-end. But that doesn't have anything to do with fighting,

 

[TSBruins13]

2011 Cup winning team had Chara, Lucic, Thornton, McQuaid. All four of them could beat the piss out of anyone on our team this year.

We need a lot more toughness on this team. Bennett, Gudas and Tkachuk had a field day.

 

[the negotiator]

It's pretty clear that DS will likely need to make some painful moves/trades to get cap compliant ....and since all the other GMs know this, the return is likely to be disappointing

The easiest move is to buy out Reilly and free up some space ...followed by letting several UFAs go.....Orlov ( who I like) will be priced out, Hathaway ( who I think had banged up ribs thanks to a cross check) also likely to be priced out. Clifton also priced out. Unless they are willing to come back at very friendly veteran deals Foligno and Nosek are also gone. Thats six changes already.

Next -a hard look at the D Corp.....trade or buy out Forbert ( again someone I like but too expensive for what he brings )- my guess is it's a buy out or the nominal 4th/5th rounder coming back. Grzy might bring a decent return - say a 2nd and 4th while freeing up a chunk of cap space. Which means you have a D core of McAvoy, Lindholm and Carlo and the need to supplement with Zboril and a couple of cheap ( burly) veterans

On to goal .....Sway is getting a major increase ( $4/4.25m ) which means if you keep both you are paying north of $9m ....goalies hugs aside- trading Linus saves $5m ( minus a cheap back-up) and you trade him at the top of his value. I doubt this will happen but it would give the GM significant cap room and either a high draft choice or a decent prospect.

and now on to the forwards.....I highly doubt DK ( whom I have loved for years ) is coming back. My gut says Bergy comes back for the Centennial year- again at a bonus loaded package. I don't see ( or want) Coyle or Hall being traded- both fit roles and as importantly - because of their salary-neither would garner a big return. Qualify Frederick with an eye to resigning.

And the big question -Bert. In order to bring him back most of the moves listed above need to happen. During his stay I was very impressed with his O zone IQ, his grit and his special chemistry with Pasta. At the end of the day would I pass on most of the UFAs, buy out Reilly and Forbert and trade Gryz and Ullmark and use the major portion of the savings to sign Bert. Given what I see in the playoffs- this team needs an overhaul and Bert is a very good place to start.

in any event- lots of changes coming, it's clear the team next year will have a number of new faces.

 

[The don godfather]

No way they are strong like marble.

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

In- Guys with fire in their bellies
Out- Guys with twinkles in their eyes

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Any idea what will happen with Frederic. Wasn't impressed at all. Brought almost no physical play and I don't think he had any points. Bring Looch back at team friendly rate if Bergy comes back. Need some physicality on the fourth line

I like the idea of Looch on a 1 day contract to retire as a Bruin.

I don't want to watch the sadness of seeing him trying to skate 4th line next year two steps behind everyone else.

 

[BruinDust]

I like the idea of Looch on a 1 day contract to retire as a Bruin.

I don't want to watch the sadness of seeing him trying to skate 4th line next year two steps behind everyone else.

I wouldn't worry too much about that if I were you. I love Lucic but he's not coming back here.

And given he's basically still the HW Champion of the league, he will have suitors this off-season.

 

[Oates2Neely]

All depends on what Bergeron decides to do. If he returns, go for it one final time.

But if Bergeron retires, as someone mentioned days ago, I call Colorado about Newhook (22yr old RFA center). With Landeskog (LW) out for the entirety of next season, they could use a LW so as not to burn a year of the MacKinnon window (enter Marchand). These guys are familiar with one another. Avs put Landeskog on LTIR & easily fit Marchand in.

Bruins top line becomes:
Hall-Zacha-Pastrnak

Shop DeBrusk (returns a 1st)
Shop Ullmark, see ya Grzelcyk Forbort Reilly Clifton. Get Zboril on the ice. Continue to develop Lysell, Lohrei etc. With any luck Poitras Lysell Lohrei ready to contribute in 2 years. Start to recoup draft picks/ prospects. In 3 seasons you have Newhook Poitras Zacha Frederic as your center group. Pastrnak Lysell RW. LD Lindholm Lohrei, RD McAvoy Carlo. Swayman Bussi… Fill in the blanks with the draft picks, UFA signings once cap increases.

 

[capecodder]

I like the idea of Looch on a 1 day contract to retire as a Bruin.

I don't want to watch the sadness of seeing him trying to skate 4th line next year two steps behind everyone

As long as he hits when he gets there I'm fine with it. After seeing how soft our fourth line was in the playoffs sign me up

 

[Tbaybruin]

Dom the stat guy NHL from Athletic with eye chart for last name said best third line center in NHL

It’s his full time job and he’s supposedly the best so I lay down my wooden Northland

With Marchand and DeBrusk games 3 & 4 it was like watching 1970’s Red Army puck possession

Oh your correct he was great. For me the reason he is a third liner is games 5-6-7. 2019 playoffs is what I would love from him

 

[Lord Ahriman]

All depends on what Bergeron decides to do. If he returns, go for it one final time.

But if Bergeron retires, as someone mentioned days ago, I call Colorado about Newhook (22yr old RFA center). With Landeskog (LW) out for the entirety of next season, they could use a LW so as not to burn a year of the MacKinnon window (enter Marchand). These guys are familiar with one another. Avs put Landeskog on LTIR & easily fit Marchand in.

Bruins top line becomes:
Hall-Zacha-Pastrnak

Shop DeBrusk (returns a 1st)
Shop Ullmark, see ya Grzelcyk Forbort Reilly Clifton. Get Zboril on the ice. Continue to develop Lysell, Lohrei etc. With any luck Poitras Lysell Lohrei ready to contribute in 2 years. Start to recoup draft picks/ prospects. In 3 seasons you have Newhook Poitras Zacha Frederic as your center group. Pastrnak Lysell RW. LD Lindholm Lohrei, RD McAvoy Carlo. Swayman Bussi… Fill in the blanks with the draft picks, UFA signings once cap increases.

I really doubt they are going to trade Marchand, especially Bergeron's decision is retirement. In this case, I think they are running Zacha, Coyle as #1 and #2 next year, youth on 3rd/4th lines and 3rd D pair. This way they clear carryover overage and trying to get a top center in the 2024 UFA market.

 

[laxdoc]

What is the relative value of Marchand in comparison to Lucic when he was moved?

 

[Fenian24]

2011 Cup winning team had Chara, Lucic, Thornton, McQuaid. All four of them could beat the piss out of anyone on our team this year.

We need a lot more toughness on this team. Bennett, Gudas and Tkachuk had a field day.

Amazes me people can't see this and want them to get softer. I will never understand how year after year more physical teams go farther in the playoffs but some people want a Bruin team that needs to have more pushback to get softer and "more skilled". They had plenty of skills, their balls disappeared.

 

[capecodder]

Amazes me people can't see this and want them to get softer. I will never understand how year after year more physical teams go farther in the playoffs but some people want a Bruin team that needs to have more pushback to get softer and "more skilled". They had plenty of skills, their balls disappeared.

If this year didn't prove it nothing will. All talent no bite

 

[Mainehockey33]

Is the team better next year with Ullmark or Coyle? I see people quick to move on from a goalie that had 40 wins last season when they have a 45 point center that makes more money than Ullmark, has had 3 bad playoffs in a row, is older than Ullmark and has 3 years left on his deal.

I’d still trade Ullmark if they can get good assets in return.

 

[PlayMakers]

Is the team better next year with Ullmark or Coyle? I see people quick to move on from a goalie that had 40 wins last season when they have a 45 point center that makes more money than Ullmark, has had 3 bad playoffs in a row, is older than Ullmark and has 3 years left on his deal.

I’d still trade Ullmark if they can get good assets in return.

How do they trade Coyle if all the bolded is true?

 

[NDiesel]

Is the team better next year with Ullmark or Coyle? I see people quick to move on from a goalie that had 40 wins last season when they have a 45 point center that makes more money than Ullmark, has had 3 bad playoffs in a row, is older than Ullmark and has 3 years left on his deal.

I’d still trade Ullmark if they can get good assets in return.

The difference is if you trade Ullmark you still have Swayman behind him. If you trade Coyle you have....Frederic? Beecher?

In addition what does Coyle even get you? Does he have value at his contract?

 

[dugg133]

2011 Cup winning team had Chara, Lucic, Thornton, McQuaid. All four of them could beat the piss out of anyone on our team this year.

We need a lot more toughness on this team. Bennett, Gudas and Tkachuk had a field day.

Thing that annoys me is that this years bruins team had greasy guys on it. Not like the Panthers are out there with 5 heavyweights on the roster, they just have a bunch of greasy guys that started shit after the whistle. A team with one of Marchand, Hathaway, Bertuzzi, and Frederic on each line should not be getting pushed around by the Cats like it did. None of those guys are heavy weights but they're all greasy players that are more then willing to get into it after the whistle and it felt like they were holding back.

I swear it must've been a coaching decision on the bruins part to not engaged in the physical stuff, cause when Hathaway was with the caps I don't think I ever saw him throw a hit with his elbow tucked and he was basically a choir boy in that series.

 

[Mainehockey33]

How do they trade Coyle if all the bolded is true?

Not sure if they can but if there is a taker I would hope he’s gone.

 

[PlayMakers]

Amazes me people can't see this and want them to get softer. I will never understand how year after year more physical teams go farther in the playoffs but some people want a Bruin team that needs to have more pushback to get softer and "more skilled". They had plenty of skills, their balls disappeared.

Colorado wasn't very physical.

Physicallity is a weapon, one the Bruins don't use enough, but it's not as simple as more physical = further in the playoffs. There are super physical teams eliminated in the first round every year too.